a simple misunderstanding or I just don't get the context?

[Phobos]

I'm simply trying to understand the reasoning behind calling person B's response Inflammatory and Disrespectful with my reply as person C.

There was a discussion when I joined, I'm person C and saw:


Person A: said something, which I can't find or remember clearly but I suspect it was untoward or interpreted as such.

Person B then said: typical basement dwelling troglodyte all talk and no actual substance..

Which I said, Person C: Exactly what an AI Troglodyte would say


Now, I was under the impression that being playful, that is using a play of words and ending with "steammocking" would have suffice to bring out the context and point of view I was coming from that is a simple jest on person B.

This resulted in a ban which I opened a ticket to try and explain myself with the intent of finding out why I am being called Inflammatory and Disrespectful (which seems to be a language barrier on my side?):

Let's break down what we have so far:

1. Definitions:
Inflammatory: Something that is designed to provoke or intensify strong negative emotional reactions, especially anger and indignation.

Disrespectful: Showing a lack of respect or courtesy; impolite.
Tongue in cheek: A statement or other expression that is not meant to be taken seriously, often a form of humor.

Word play: The clever or witty use of language, often involving the humorous use of words with more than one meaning.

Playfully sarcastic: Using sarcasm in a light-hearted or joking manner, often to mock or tease in a friendly way.

2. The Scenario:
Person A posts something that can be considered nonsense. Person B responds with a derogatory comment, calling Person A a “typical basement dwelling troglodyte all talk and no actual substance.” I then respond to Person B, saying “Exactly what an AI Troglodyte would say,” accompanied by a playfully mocking smiley.

3. Analysis:
My comment to Person B was a form of mocking, but it was done in a playful and sarcastic manner, not meant to be taken seriously (tongue in cheek). I were not being inflammatory or disrespectful because I were not provoking strong negative emotions or showing a lack of respect. Instead, I were engaging in word play and humor.

4. Conclusion:
My behavior was not similar to Person B’s. While Person B made a derogatory comment meant to belittle Person A, I made a playful comment meant to mock Person B’s behavior. This is not the same as engaging in the same behavior as Person B. Instead, I were pointing out Person B’s behavior in a humorous and playful way. Therefore, my comment can be seen as a form of playful sarcasm and not as inflammatory or disrespectful.

I do understand that the interpretation of such comments can vary greatly depending on the person and the context. What one person finds humorous, another might find offensive. It's always important to consider the potential impact of our words on others.

However, this also seemed to have gotten lost in translation or I'm just being obtuse about it. Which I really do not understand.

Should I rather then if this is the case and there is now clear reasoning or explanation I have missed best to avoid steam discussions as a whole.

Or is there a better approach to this?

Thanks.

[Unn4m3d (♥AUT♥)]

nordic a écrit :

.

Edit: Nvm I see you are one of "those people". People who always say exactly what you said and somehow have an investment into clinging to that. Don't even bother replying, I'm tired of your ♥♥♥♥.

And you actually get surprised you're getting in trouble? Self reflection = 0.

[Over It]

The Squire of Gothos a écrit :

Over It a écrit :

You were the kid that reminded teachers they forgot to assign homework.

And some people wonder why they get moderated.

While I appreciate the Star Trek TOS reference, you're out of your element here.

[Soren]

Both AI and Troglodyte is an insult. Saying someone is AI is saying they're so stupid they aren't at the level of human intelligence. Troglodye I don't or shouldn't have to explain how that could be considered an insult.

Even if the post was meant to be playful. It doesn't matter. The new mods aren't paid to guess context or not. And they especially aren't paid to read the full chain of replies if you get reported.

nordic a écrit :

No that's obviously not how it works, for the reason I have mentioned above; every other post on here is a violation if you take the rules strictly. If it gets reported, then it is deemed "argumentative" because someone seemingly took offense to it. Otherwise not.

Not true. While a lot of people reporting something could perhaps influence the moderator to interpreting the post more harshly. That does not mean literally anything could get you banned.

[76561199675426607]

Soren a écrit :

Both AI and Troglodyte is an insult. Saying someone is AI is saying they're so stupid they aren't at the level of human intelligence. Troglodye I don't or shouldn't have to explain how that could be considered an insult.

Even if the post was meant to be playful. It doesn't matter. The new mods aren't paid to guess context or not. And they especially aren't paid to read the full chain of replies if you get reported.

nordic a écrit :

No that's obviously not how it works, for the reason I have mentioned above; every other post on here is a violation if you take the rules strictly. If it gets reported, then it is deemed "argumentative" because someone seemingly took offense to it. Otherwise not.

Not true. While a lot of people reporting something could perhaps influence the moderator to interpreting the post more harshly. That does not mean literally anything could get you banned.

It's the proper answer to people who say "just follow the rules". The rules are completely null and void simply because of that one rule. It outlaws everyone by default, so mods can ban whoever they like, whenever they like, and always say that it was "argumentative".

"Almost anything" is subjective, I guess, but it is a fact that a lot of users, including myself, are often caught completely off guard by bans which are outright ridiculous to them. There, I've now said that in a way which you cannot possibly disagree with.

[D. Flame]

nordic a écrit :

D. Flame a écrit :

It's more likely this:

-If a post is a violation, it will get removed when seen.

-a single report is enough to get it seen

-mass reporting moves it up the list, so if there is a backlog at peak hours or low staff times, a mass reported post is more likely to be seen first because triaging prioritizes them based on number of reports

No that's obviously not how it works, for the reason I have mentioned above; every other post on here is a violation if you take the rules strictly. If it gets reported, then it is deemed "argumentative" because someone seemingly took offense to it. Otherwise not.

Yes, the rules are written to give mods wide interpretation power. I am not a fan of that. However, the post in question was clearly a violation, even with a more conservative interpretation of the rules.

[76561199675426607]

D. Flame a écrit :

nordic a écrit :

No that's obviously not how it works, for the reason I have mentioned above; every other post on here is a violation if you take the rules strictly. If it gets reported, then it is deemed "argumentative" because someone seemingly took offense to it. Otherwise not.

Yes, the rules are written to give mods wide interpretation power. I am not a fan of that. However, the post in question was clearly a violation, even with a more conservative interpretation of the rules.

It's only "clearly a violation" if you are aware of the status quo. If it was playful, and he put that emoji there to signify that, then it was not actually disrespectful and most anyone would have been able to tell. I know from experience that being playful, jokes, etcetera do not exist as far as moderation is concerned, but OP did not.

[kitt]

the answer to it is:


support/mods are garbage





just don't use the Steam community. Its a echo chamber where any discussion is not wanted

[Over It]

Unn4m3d (♥AUT♥) a écrit :

ghost a écrit :

No, you're not obtuse. Don't even try to understand it. The only thing you need to understand is this: When someone reports you, you can and will get banned for almost anything. That's it. That's the rule here. Better get used to it.

Except that's absolutely wrong. You get banned for breaking the rules, which really arent that hard to understand, except apparently for some people.

Context is never taken into consideration. That's the real problem. It has created gross inconsistency in moderation. it means no critical thinking in called in to play. It's just blanket "zero tolerance" which, as we've seen in American schools, doesn't work. You're not wrong about getting banned for everything. It just depends on who is the softest and quickest to report.

[Yujah]

Phobos a écrit :

(...) best to avoid steam discussions as a whole. Or is there a better approach to this?

Nope.

[wesnef]

Phobos a écrit :

Now, I was under the impression that being playful, that is using a play of words and ending with "steammocking" would have suffice to bring out the context and point of view I was coming from that is a simple jest

*Is* this actually 'generally understood'? I'll say it's the first time I've heard of that emoticon meaning anything specific.
(without knowing that, I'd have thought that it's emphasizing the comment it's part of, not being a visual version of "/s" or "/jk")

[Realigo Actual]

kitt a écrit :

the answer to it is:


support/mods are garbage





just don't use the Steam community. Its a echo chamber where any discussion is not wanted

Steam community is not at the level of echo chamber.

[76561199675426607]

wesnef a écrit :

Phobos a écrit :

Now, I was under the impression that being playful, that is using a play of words and ending with "steammocking" would have suffice to bring out the context and point of view I was coming from that is a simple jest

*Is* this actually 'generally understood'? I'll say it's the first time I've heard of that emoticon meaning anything specific.
(without knowing that, I'd have thought that it's emphasizing the comment it's part of, not being a visual version of "/s" or "/jk")

;) and :P should be generally understood to signify that something is said in jest. "steammocking" is equivalent to :P, I think that is obvious. And "mocking" tells you that as well.

[D. Flame]

bijteblaffer a écrit :

wesnef a écrit :

*Is* this actually 'generally understood'? I'll say it's the first time I've heard of that emoticon meaning anything specific.
(without knowing that, I'd have thought that it's emphasizing the comment it's part of, not being a visual version of "/s" or "/jk")

;) and :P should be generally understood to signify that something is said in jest. "steammocking" is equivalent to :P, I think that is obvious. And "mocking" tells you that as well.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/mocking

Mocking

mocking behaviour involves laughing at someone or something in an unkind way:

[76561199675426607]

D. Flame a écrit :

bijteblaffer a écrit :

;) and :P should be generally understood to signify that something is said in jest. "steammocking" is equivalent to :P, I think that is obvious. And "mocking" tells you that as well.

{LIEN SUPPRIMÉ}https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/mocking

Mocking

mocking behaviour involves laughing at someone or something in an unkind way:

Yeah, when I think about it, I guess that's what it meant at some point. Yet to me it doesn't mean that. I take it to mean, playfully teasing. It's not really "attacking". It might be insulting, but not with a bad intention.

And would you really use an emoji if you would want to actually attack someone?

[D. Flame]

bijteblaffer a écrit :

D. Flame a écrit :

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/mocking

Yeah, when I think about it, I guess that's what it meant at some point. Yet to me it doesn't mean that. I take it to mean, playfully teasing. It's not really "attacking". It might be insulting, but not with a bad intention.

And would you really use an emoji if you would want to actually attack someone?

No one care what it means in your head. People only care about what it means IRL.