PC gaming VS Console gaming

[Alvarez_Tiago]

I was warching the latest DF direct and It blows my mind how even the guys from DF think that PC vs Console is just about power.

You can make your PC look and feel how you want and PC does a whole lot more than a console ever could.

Let's talk just games, tho. On PC you have a whole slate of graphical options in game to make it look and run as you wish. Want more frames?
Lower res and use a good upscaler, set shadows or the more demanding setting to high or medium, you'll be hard pressed to spot any differences but doing so you can sometimes almost double your fps.
Don't like CA, DoF, motion blur? Turn it off...
Mods...
All of it you don't have access with consoles, you are stuck with what devs set, even going to next generation your game is stuck to what it was when it came out unless there's a patch or something.
Talking about generation, there's no such thing on PC, I don't have to worry about backwards compatibility. I can go and fire whatever game I bought like 10 years ago right now and it works just fine.

And don't get me started with emulation. I have more access to old playstations library on my PC than PS5 does.

It's not about power, it can also be, but even if PS5 pro turns out to be more powerful than my current rig, I would never jump ships for that.

I wanna know your take on the matter?
Is it only about the power for you?

[xBCxRangers]

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All about ease, costs, and keeping your games. Consoles are easy to use, a lot cheaper than a decent PC, and you'll never have to upgrade that console, to keep your games.

Here on PC, it's about hardcore gamers. A lot more expensive, constantly must be upgrade to meet specs, and if it's not, you lose your games.

These are likely reasons why console has a much bigger market, and phones and handhelds, even bigger.

Agreed that consoles offer more ease and lower costs (at least initially). Keeping your games though? That seems to be rapidly changing for consoles as they are in a hurry to abandon physical copies in favor of digital ones.

Since PC has no real hardware generations like consoles do, when looking at digital copies you get to keep your games on PC much more than on consoles.

For example, 20 years ago I bought Half Life 2. On Steam, I still have Half Life 2, and I can still play and enjoy it on a new PC, or a Steam Deck. I expect in another 20 years I'll still be able to play and enjoy it on modern hardware.

20 years ago I also had a Gamecube. To legally play Gamecube games, one needs to have kept decades old hardware up and running. There's no way to play your Gamecube games on your Nintendo Switch, for example, save for certain re-released titles that they expect you to purchase again, like the 3d Mario collection.

Looking at digital it gets even worse. Using Nintendo as an example again, in those same 20 years, Nintendo has launched and subsequently shut down four different digital distribution platforms.

Fact is that consoles are very transitory. They want players to invest in the current consoles, only to abandon them entirely when a new console is released. Sometimes there's backwards compatibility, but this certainly isn't a guarantee. They'll resell you the same game, over and over again. I must have bought the original Zelda 4-5 times for different Nintendo systems. Now Nintendo demands I pay a recurring fee just to rent access to that same game I've already bought multiple times since the days of the NES.

Meanwhile, PC is PC. I can play today's games, tomorrow's games, or yesteryear's games. I could go dig up some 30+ year old floppy disk I bought when I was a kid, plug it into a USB floppy drive and play that game right now on a modern PC with no issues. That's the equivalent of being able to plug an NES cartridge into a Nintendo Switch.

Right you have to look at Xbox. Most my whole library is back compatible going back decades. But if not, even the digital games are perfectly playable, offline, and unplugged on the older machines.

Are there chances your console will break? Sure, but you just buy a used one. I'm sure you can play old games here on Steam as well, but you have to upgrade your OS every time they change it, things break on PCs as well.

Graphics cards can be very expensive, you need your Anti Virus, crashes, hacks, controller don't work, "post your specs", post your game log to see what happened, etc.

These may be issues people who pay a lot of money are willing to take on, for just some minor performance issue many or even most do not care about.

But i just want to play my games, and i think that's where most people are.

And Flame, i shopped those mini pc's here, and all, of all who responded, said they're useless. So, was sorry to hear that.

I think todays day and age, is all about consoles. And if you want your Steam, you have Ge Force Now and other stream services can give you access, even on an old Xbox One. In short, PCs are outdated.

[Haruspex]

Postat inițial de xBCxRangers:

Right you have to look at Xbox. Most my whole library is back compatible going back decades. But if not, even the digital games are perfectly playable, offline, and unplugged on the older machines.

Yeah, Xbox is a bit more PC like in that regard thanks to some strong efforts at backwards compatibility. You can't play 100% of your old games, but I still absolutely have to commend Microsoft on their efforts in this area. It goes a lot further than anything Sony or Nintendo are doing. (Leading up to the release of the PS5, there were rumors of backwards compatibility going all the way back to the PS1. I was excited, then crushingly disappointed when the only backwards compatibility was for PS4.)

Then there's the rumors that Microsoft might be considering looking into getting out of console manufacturing, or perhaps making the next Xbox literally a PC. The future of Xbox might be as a PC platform, which I'm personally okay with.

[xBCxRangers]

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Postat inițial de xBCxRangers:

Right you have to look at Xbox. Most my whole library is back compatible going back decades. But if not, even the digital games are perfectly playable, offline, and unplugged on the older machines.

Yeah, Xbox is a bit more PC like in that regard thanks to some strong efforts at backwards compatibility. You can't play 100% of your old games, but I still absolutely have to commend Microsoft on their efforts in this area. It goes a lot further than anything Sony or Nintendo are doing.

Then there's the rumors that Microsoft might be considering looking into getting out of console manufacturing, or perhaps making the next Xbox literally a PC. The future of Xbox might be as a PC platform, which I'm personally okay with.

Right, though idk what they mean by 'PC". Will it be like this?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/145631052894?itmmeta=01HZJ27FZYSXVZMMBYP8NV56MG&hash=item21e849845e:g:yhcAAOSwPJBl2oIy

Or will it be like this?

https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-desktops/sf/alienware-desktops

The latter, of course would not make much sense, in people would just buy, that.

And so, if it's like the Alpha model i presented, that is a PC that plays like a Console, i'll be the first in line.

[D. Flame]

AMDs strix halo APU will allegedly have 4070-tier performance. You can put that in a mini PC without a dedicated GPU.

[Alvarez_Tiago]

Postat inițial de xBCxRangers:

All about ease, costs, and keeping your games. Consoles are easy to use, a lot cheaper than a decent PC, and you'll never have to upgrade that console, to keep your games.

Here on PC, it's about hardcore gamers. A lot more expensive, constantly must be upgrade to meet specs, and if it's not, you lose your games.

These are likely reasons why console has a much bigger market, and phones and handhelds, even bigger.

I don't know if it's bigger nowadays tbh. I mean, the switch is massive but I think the steam total user base is very similar to that, therefore, definitely bigger than playstation's.
Wasn't the new concurrents record here on steam 30+ million?
Also, PC market has being growing a lot.
And I would argue that many people actually want to jump over to PC but still think that PC gaming is a white dragon with 7 head to be fought as in reality, PC has become easier and easily to use, maintain, troubleshoot and whatnot.
I gets to me when people say: "oh, on PC you have to keep updating drivers and blah blah blah"
It's one click away and it usually pops as a notification.
And better than consoles, you can even do it later when you have more time, consoles force the updrade upfront so say you have like 30 minutes only to play and you wanted to pop a game up rea fast to get you fix, well, say bye bye to that...

[xBCxRangers]

Postat inițial de Alvarez_Tiago:

Postat inițial de xBCxRangers:

All about ease, costs, and keeping your games. Consoles are easy to use, a lot cheaper than a decent PC, and you'll never have to upgrade that console, to keep your games.

Here on PC, it's about hardcore gamers. A lot more expensive, constantly must be upgrade to meet specs, and if it's not, you lose your games.

These are likely reasons why console has a much bigger market, and phones and handhelds, even bigger.

I don't know if it's bigger nowadays tbh. I mean, the switch is massive but I think the steam total user base is very similar to that, therefore, definitely bigger than playstation's.
Wasn't the new concurrents record here on steam 30+ million?
Also, PC market has being growing a lot.
And I would argue that many people actually want to jump over to PC but still think that PC gaming is a white dragon with 7 head to be fought as in reality, PC has become easier and easily to use, maintain, troubleshoot and whatnot.
I gets to me when people say: "oh, on PC you have to keep updating drivers and blah blah blah"
It's one click away and it usually pops as a notification.
And better than consoles, you can even do it later when you have more time, consoles force the updrade upfront so say you have like 30 minutes only to play and you wanted to pop a game up rea fast to get you fix, well, say bye bye to that...

Well altogether the console market is much larger then the PC market. When you compound, Nintendo, Xbox, and PS. At least to my knowledge, though someone can point out different. I think it's just the ease and costs.

Personally, i like PC if only because there are games on PC, we do not get on consoles. But that's rapidly changing.

Another question i have zero knowledge, is what "AI" may do in regards to PC gaming in the future.

But at a time as was said by another (and i think, correct) where say Xbox is going to say a Console/PC hybrid, and the rise of cloud and stream gaming, even from a Phone or handheld, it's sincerely questionable for me even the need for a PC for games, and many other matters.

[inpurpleshadows]

Postat inițial de Alvarez_Tiago:

I was warching the latest DF direct and It blows my mind how even the guys from DF think that PC vs Console is just about power.

You can make your PC look and feel how you want and PC does a whole lot more than a console ever could.

Let's talk just games, tho. On PC you have a whole slate of graphical options in game to make it look and run as you wish. Want more frames?
Lower res and use a good upscaler, set shadows or the more demanding setting to high or medium, you'll be hard pressed to spot any differences but doing so you can sometimes almost double your fps.
Don't like CA, DoF, motion blur? Turn it off...
Mods...
All of it you don't have access with consoles, you are stuck with what devs set, even going to next generation your game is stuck to what it was when it came out unless there's a patch or something.
Talking about generation, there's no such thing on PC, I don't have to worry about backwards compatibility. I can go and fire whatever game I bought like 10 years ago right now and it works just fine.

And don't get me started with emulation. I have more access to old playstations library on my PC than PS5 does.

It's not about power, it can also be, but even if PS5 pro turns out to be more powerful than my current rig, I would never jump ships for that.

I wanna know your take on the matter?
Is it only about the power for you?

For me, it depends on the reason for gaming. If I want to play physical copies with games or just want to load up a game with no extra steps, I'll play on a console. If I want to customize my experience, I'll totally go with PC.

[☮ne✟rue𝓢ax☯n]

PC gaming v console gaming is just some made up nerd BS.

It's all about personal choice, nothing more, nothing less. For the last 14yrs I've only done PC gaming, as I decided I preferred PC's over consoles. Now the majority of my mates probably console. I say probably as I'm not 100% sure, as in my real life world nobody really gives a ♥♥♥♥, and we've got better things to worry about and do with our time.

[Tadeu]

PC is the best for me.

[Brutalness]

DF is a joke

[xBCxRangers]

We need both. A PC/Console hybrid. The ease and inexpensiveness of a console, with access to Steam. Hopefully, MS can deliver.

[moon]

pc gaming

[Blueberry {JESUS IS LORD}]

Postat inițial de Alvarez_Tiago:

I was warching the latest DF direct and It blows my mind how even the guys from DF think that PC vs Console is just about power.

You can make your PC look and feel how you want and PC does a whole lot more than a console ever could.

Let's talk just games, tho. On PC you have a whole slate of graphical options in game to make it look and run as you wish. Want more frames?
Lower res and use a good upscaler, set shadows or the more demanding setting to high or medium, you'll be hard pressed to spot any differences but doing so you can sometimes almost double your fps.
Don't like CA, DoF, motion blur? Turn it off...
Mods...
All of it you don't have access with consoles, you are stuck with what devs set, even going to next generation your game is stuck to what it was when it came out unless there's a patch or something.
Talking about generation, there's no such thing on PC, I don't have to worry about backwards compatibility. I can go and fire whatever game I bought like 10 years ago right now and it works just fine.

And don't get me started with emulation. I have more access to old playstations library on my PC than PS5 does.

It's not about power, it can also be, but even if PS5 pro turns out to be more powerful than my current rig, I would never jump ships for that.

I wanna know your take on the matter?
Is it only about the power for you?

with the way steam is becoming, pc is sad to be a part of now, much better moving to xbox and supporting microsoft i guess

[Msooby]

pc was always the winner because its the main thing, consoles have become largely obsolete now that exclusivity is going away, xbox is literally a dead platform, and playstation is also irrelevant and bringing everything on pc, the only reason they even survived was because of a shrinking list of exclusivity deals and keeping games captive in their locked network that became worthless after another console came out, it was a bad system to begin with

the only relevant console left is nintendo basically and its the only one that is still stuck back in times and has that japanese anti-pc mentality, even mobile games are now accessible on pc with google store coming to windows

[Alvarez_Tiago]

Postat inițial de Elfezen:

pc was always the winner because its the main thing, consoles have become largely obsolete now that exclusivity is going away, xbox is literally a dead platform, and playstation is also irrelevant and bringing everything on pc, the only reason they even survived was because of a shrinking list of exclusivity deals and keeping games captive in their locked network that became worthless after another console came out, it was a bad system to begin with

the only relevant console left is nintendo basically and its the only one that is still stuck back in times and has that japanese anti-pc mentality, even mobile games are now accessible on pc with google store coming to windows

And let's keep this just between us but-aa...it's not like you don't have access to Nintendo games, right?