Why is STEAM censoring games?

[D. Flame]

This game now requires being logged into even see it:

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1232460/Onee_Chanbara_ORIGIN/

I understand putting porn games behind a filter, but why is Steam starting to do the same crap that Sony pulled?

I owned even Playstation home console from 1 to 4, including the hardware backwards compatible PS3. I owned the PS Vita as well. And rather than buy a PS5, I upgraded my PC, bought a Switch, and bought a Steam Deck for me and one for my friend, all because Sony pulled crap like this and killed the Senran Kagura series. Why is Steam now starting down the same road?

And just to clarify, that game I linked contains no nudity.

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

EFFE eredeti hozzászólása:

D. Flame eredeti hozzászólása:

The version on Steam and the version on PS are exactly the same.

The game on PC is not working. You have to manipulate almost infinite settings on the video card's control panel to make it work. And the negative reviews agree that it's yet another buggy Japanese game.

Not only this but the gore is actually the problem.

You see, the game on Playstation is GORE CENSORED

Thats the issue.

https://youtu.be/_C51cH0Fvmk Here's Playstation 5, note the lack of blood splatter
https://youtu.be/8tGd97_vUnA?si=OhTAbUDXWHkkRPna&t=179 Here's PC, know the loads of it



The issue has nothing to do with sexual content, the game was censored because of its Gore levels which by Japanese Law, GORE IS CENSORED IN JAPAN > https://www.reddit.com/r/japan/comments/zbltpt/the_gore_censorship_for_video_games_make_no_sense/

So to make it clear Flare, yes, the games are different because of Video Game Law, its age request is the result of the games Gore, the original game had tons of it which I don't mean Origin, Origin is just a remaster to start with, thats the entire thing here because the entire series of Oneechanbaba has issues with GORE CENSORSHIP and has for YEARS

This has nothing to do with Steam, this is entirely on the developers and its an extremely well known fact ever sense the developer of the very game series himself came out and literally detailed what the censorship involved, yes, the game is rated M because the ESRB puts gore under the tag of M. Steam however is not going by the ESRB, thus Gore is instead behind an age wall.

Your issue here is not censorship, its the lack of understanding how the game of an M rating already includes Gore by default, while on Steam Gore is age walled

[BOBTOMAS]

❤ Sly Succubus ❤ eredeti hozzászólása:

EFFE eredeti hozzászólása:

The game on PC is not working. You have to manipulate almost infinite settings on the video card's control panel to make it work. And the negative reviews agree that it's yet another buggy Japanese game.

Not only this but the gore is actually the problem.

You see, the game on Playstation is GORE CENSORED

Thats the issue.

https://youtu.be/_C51cH0Fvmk Here's Playstation 5, note the lack of blood splatter
https://youtu.be/8tGd97_vUnA?si=OhTAbUDXWHkkRPna&t=179 Here's PC, know the loads of it



The issue has nothing to do with sexual content, the game was censored because of its Gore levels which by Japanese Law, GORE IS CENSORED IN JAPAN > https://www.reddit.com/r/japan/comments/zbltpt/the_gore_censorship_for_video_games_make_no_sense/

So to make it clear Flare, yes, the games are different because of Video Game Law, its age request is the result of the games Gore, the original game had tons of it which I don't mean Origin, Origin is just a remaster to start with, thats the entire thing here because the entire series of Oneechanbaba has issues with GORE CENSORSHIP and has for YEARS

This has nothing to do with Steam, this is entirely on the developers and its an extremely well known fact ever sense the developer of the very game series himself came out and literally detailed what the censorship involved, yes, the game is rated M because the ESRB puts gore under the tag of M. Steam however is not going by the ESRB, thus Gore is instead behind an age wall.

Your issue here is not censorship, its the lack of understanding how the game of an M rating already includes Gore by default, while on Steam Gore is age walled

The Japanese are right to censor the games for that reason.

It's us Westerners who go overboard with violence, gore, and sex in video games: to make a good video game you don't need all that.

[D. Flame]

❤ Sly Succubus ❤ eredeti hozzászólása:

EFFE eredeti hozzászólása:

The game on PC is not working. You have to manipulate almost infinite settings on the video card's control panel to make it work. And the negative reviews agree that it's yet another buggy Japanese game.

Not only this but the gore is actually the problem.

You see, the game on Playstation is GORE CENSORED

Also false, I have played it on PS4 and even uploaded videos from it.

https://youtu.be/eq1Lk0x1mTs?si=1VIN32Fv9urut_QU&t=88

I changed the blood color myself, BTW.

[mrunuick]

EFFE eredeti hozzászólása:

The Japanese are right to censor the games for that reason.

It's us Westerners who go overboard with violence, gore, and sex in video games: to make a good video game you don't need all that.

Need and want are different. If a developer wants to be gory, they are entitled to do so in their games.

[Ben Lubar]

I prefer informed consent. If you want to put adults cutting each other in half or having sex in your game, that's fine as long as the people know that's in the game before they decide whether to play it. Unless it's something that's actively harmful to show even in a fictional setting, I think governments should opt for labeling, not banning.

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

https://nichegamer.com/sony-reportedly-have-policies-against-showing-dismemberment-or-missing-limbs-in-japan/

Here.

This is the entire issue from the ground up. Let me make it clear that Steam had zero part in it, and that the game being adult, also has nothing to do with it. The game is made by a studio in Japan, in 2021 Sony made a Policy that any Dismemberment or Missing Limbs in any title had to be henceforth, censored.

This title had released prior to that policy change entirely, about a full year which is why the Steam link I provided came from October of 2021 where the new regulations Sony placed on the game caused it to be censored.

Now Sony has not changed that policy, as a matter of fact it still exists, blood is less of the issue, is dismemberment thats the entire problem which still exists on the ones sold on PC. They are not the same as much as you want to claim that they are Flame, no this entire situation comes down to the Gore in the product itself.

Now - That said

The Game got banned in China because of its gore, in China anyone killed can't have red blood, the game didnt change it, thus it got banned, thats been a regulation for much longer then 10 years by now.

Germany banned it because of its policy against extreme violence in games, this game falls under that context but can be allowed if all ministers agree, sadly they didn't

By default, the ESRB of Gore is as follows, copied from the ESRB home site [Titles rated M (Mature) have content that may be suitable for persons ages 17 and older, and may contain intense violence, blood and gore, sexual content, and/or strong language2. Graphic and realistic-looking depictions of physical conflict, extreme and/or realistic blood, gore, weapons and depictions of human injury and death are also considered]

The Game on Steam has the Gore Content tag, thus it is censored by that content flag by the developers themselves - https://steamdb.info/app/1232460/history/ - Which on the day that gore content was added, it was automatically blocked in China per regulations that already exist

There is zero issue here, the game has no ESRB on Steam, as you can see the developers didn't use it on Steam so they went with Steam Content ratings, as such the game is hidden behind the Gore flag which many other games are as well.

Seriously go and try to look at any game with known gore, Wolfenstine, Doom 2020 or Eternal and they will all also have the exact same age verification system in place.

If you think this is a censorship issue, then you will be the only one to think that because the reality is that nothing changed to start with, if Germany for example blocked it - We already know why they did - [Germany block is automatic due to the AO tag, all AO games are blocked in Germany by default, because Valve doesn't want to implement a real ID check]

The Adult Only tag added by the developers right? Yes, thats why its now autoblocked in Germany, that was not Steam, it was confirmed by the developer staff that the AO content is autoblocked in Germany.

There is no issue, Steam didn't do anything, as a matter of fact it took me just two hours of doing some research and learning of where it was banned...and literally asking google or bing as to why, to get my awnsers; as a matter of fact for example Wolfenstein is banned in Germany on two fronts, its gore and depictions of Germans.

In China Alien Shooter 1 and 2 were banned for 2 years till both games released a patch that changed all blood to be green at which they then allowed it to be sold in their nation.

This stuff is nothing new, its just by happenstance you ran into basically existing censorship on a national level thats existed for roughly 4+ years, if not more in some cases

[wesnef]

And regardless of all of that back & forth, a login/age gate requirement continues to not be censorship.

A game being tagged stupidly by it's publisher, or rated stupidly by the ESRB, does not constitute STEAM "censoring" something.

Unless you're in the business of making endless manufactured ragebait posts like the OP is.

[BOBTOMAS]

mrunuick eredeti hozzászólása:

EFFE eredeti hozzászólása:

The Japanese are right to censor the games for that reason.

It's us Westerners who go overboard with violence, gore, and sex in video games: to make a good video game you don't need all that.

Need and want are different. If a developer wants to be gory, they are entitled to do so in their games.

Ben Lubar eredeti hozzászólása:

I prefer informed consent. If you want to put adults cutting each other in half or having sex in your game, that's fine as long as the people know that's in the game before they decide whether to play it. Unless it's something that's actively harmful to show even in a fictional setting, I think governments should opt for labeling, not banning.

All clear: it also explains why people are totally indifferent to violence.
Because of the media, we are all saturated with violence, blood and sex; that we no longer notice that we are crossing the line.

I admire the Japanese who keep their censorship active.

[Boblin the Goblin]

D. Flame eredeti hozzászólása:

❤ Sly Succubus ❤ eredeti hozzászólása:

Yes, because Sony had to release information that they completely censored the hell out of the entire series before they would allow it on their store, there's a whole mess about that which started about 4 years ago. So the game on Sony's store is, correct, Mature. However its also modified and heavily censored

https://www.siliconera.com/onechanbara-origin-producer-on-how-censorship-shouldnt-be-a-problem-going-forward/

As a matter of fact, the head developer of the studio in 2019 talked about it.

This is not a Steam issue; this is one where Steam has the actual, original, unedited product unlike what Sony has, which I will say caused such a large mess of issues.

Including, being spoken about on Steam back then as well

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1232460/discussions/0/2970646211829986600/

So yes, the edited and censored verison on Sony has an ESRB as that was a requirement for them to be allowed at all on Playstation altogether, Steam, does the original actual games that were not changed which is actually why on Steam its banned in Germany and China as the original game does not have an ESRB because the game that was reviewed was the edited one

This is one of those games where the majority of people know of only the cutdown and censored version of the game, no different then Nekopara on Steam as well which I want to be clear, the original games of even Nekopara, do not haven ESRB, on Steam? They have an ESRB.

Edit: I changed the Steam link so it went to the head post instead of the user at the rear end of it

The version on Steam and the version on PS are exactly the same.

They aren't. There's literally DLC on Steam that isn't sold on PlayStation.

[D. Flame]

wesnef eredeti hozzászólása:

And regardless of all of that back & forth, a login/age gate requirement continues to not be censorship.

A game being tagged stupidly by it's publisher, or rated stupidly by the ESRB, does not constitute STEAM "censoring" something.

Unless you're in the business of making endless manufactured ragebait posts like the OP is.

The game was released in 2019. The login gating was apparently added to the site 2 months ago by Steam. That's on Valve.

[Boblin the Goblin]

EFFE eredeti hozzászólása:

mrunuick eredeti hozzászólása:

Need and want are different. If a developer wants to be gory, they are entitled to do so in their games.

Ben Lubar eredeti hozzászólása:

I prefer informed consent. If you want to put adults cutting each other in half or having sex in your game, that's fine as long as the people know that's in the game before they decide whether to play it. Unless it's something that's actively harmful to show even in a fictional setting, I think governments should opt for labeling, not banning.

All clear: it also explains why people are totally indifferent to violence.
Because of the media, we are all saturated with violence, blood and sex; that we no longer notice that we are crossing the line.

I admire the Japanese who keep their censorship active.

Your virtues should not decide what everyone else sees.

[Boblin the Goblin]

D. Flame eredeti hozzászólása:

wesnef eredeti hozzászólása:

And regardless of all of that back & forth, a login/age gate requirement continues to not be censorship.

A game being tagged stupidly by it's publisher, or rated stupidly by the ESRB, does not constitute STEAM "censoring" something.

Unless you're in the business of making endless manufactured ragebait posts like the OP is.

The game was released in 2019. The login gating was apparently added to the site 2 months ago by Steam. That's on Valve.

It's automatic for any game in specific categories.

It still isn't censorship, which has already been admitted.

[D. Flame]

SlowMango eredeti hozzászólása:

D. Flame eredeti hozzászólása:

The version on Steam and the version on PS are exactly the same.

They aren't. There's literally DLC on Steam that isn't sold on PlayStation.

Which ones?

https://store.playstation.com/en-us/product/UP3177-CUSA20271_00-ANEZ3GAME0000000


Scroll to the bottom where it says add-ons and click show more.

[D. Flame]

SlowMango eredeti hozzászólása:

D. Flame eredeti hozzászólása:

The game was released in 2019. The login gating was apparently added to the site 2 months ago by Steam. That's on Valve.

It's automatic for any game in specific categories.

It still isn't censorship, which has already been admitted.

Except it is censorship, and it was retroactively applied.

[Boblin the Goblin]

D. Flame eredeti hozzászólása:

SlowMango eredeti hozzászólása:

It's automatic for any game in specific categories.

It still isn't censorship, which has already been admitted.

Except it is censorship, and it was retroactively applied.

Not according to this;

D. Flame eredeti hozzászólása:

The game itself isn't censored. It is simply being hidden on Steam, and that was not always the case. This appears to be more recent.