Why is STEAM censoring games?

[D. Flame]

This game now requires being logged into even see it:

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1232460/Onee_Chanbara_ORIGIN/

I understand putting porn games behind a filter, but why is Steam starting to do the same crap that Sony pulled?

I owned even Playstation home console from 1 to 4, including the hardware backwards compatible PS3. I owned the PS Vita as well. And rather than buy a PS5, I upgraded my PC, bought a Switch, and bought a Steam Deck for me and one for my friend, all because Sony pulled crap like this and killed the Senran Kagura series. Why is Steam now starting down the same road?

And just to clarify, that game I linked contains no nudity.

[Mad Scientist]

Originally posted by D. Flame:

Originally posted by Ben Lubar:

requiring someone to log in is not a form of censorship. If it was, that is a claim that every post in every thread on the Steam forums is censored.

If I copy paste the link from this thread into an incognito window, I can still view the thread without issue.

Though the Discussions are publicly viewable since by default it's basically all-ages, now if you go to certain game hubs or store pages that may change due to ratings. You're shifting the goal again.

[D. Flame]

Originally posted by Mad Scientist:

Originally posted by D. Flame:

Irrelevant.

The goal has shifted several times, it went from the game is "censored" to "hidden" yet any steam account can freely view it.

Again, this is a non issue, and it seems like it's just arguing to argue since there's no issue here. If you have an issue with what the Developer checked for boxes, contact the Developer.

The developer didn't add the site wide block of not being able to view those games without being logged into an account.

[Mad Scientist]

Originally posted by D. Flame:

Originally posted by Mad Scientist:

The goal has shifted several times, it went from the game is "censored" to "hidden" yet any steam account can freely view it.

Again, this is a non issue, and it seems like it's just arguing to argue since there's no issue here. If you have an issue with what the Developer checked for boxes, contact the Developer.

The developer didn't add the site wide block of not being able to view those games without being logged into an account.

It would appear you were proven wrong on the subject many times especially due to what other users noted has caused it to happen, including the difference in console vs pc editions.

If you have an issue with the listing, take it up with the Developer.

[Komarimaru]

Originally posted by D. Flame:

Originally posted by Mad Scientist:

The goal has shifted several times, it went from the game is "censored" to "hidden" yet any steam account can freely view it.

Again, this is a non issue, and it seems like it's just arguing to argue since there's no issue here. If you have an issue with what the Developer checked for boxes, contact the Developer.

The developer didn't add the site wide block of not being able to view those games without being logged into an account.

Ya just talking in circles now, since been proven wrong each time. You then change the goal posts as it were, to lose that argument as well. Why do you do this?

[D. Flame]

Originally posted by Komarimaru:

Originally posted by D. Flame:

The developer didn't add the site wide block of not being able to view those games without being logged into an account.

Ya just talking in circles now, since been proven wrong each time. You then change the goal posts as it were, to lose that argument as well. Why do you do this?

I haven't been proven wrong. Your opinion is not a fact, and me explaining why your constantly shifting statements are wrong is not moving the goal posts.

You (general you) make statements like it, "it is just age gating," until I prove that it is not by getting people to open it in an incognito window then do the same with CP77, thus proving they are different. But rather than acknowledge that fact, most of you simply move on to the next nebulous argument, and when I explain why that claim is wrong too, you start accusing me of moving the goal posts.

[BOBTOMAS]

Originally posted by AustrAlien2010:

It's because of the scary boomers. What if a child sees the game? And then the boomer finds out, and then the boomer chases the creator with an axe because the boomer believes the game is bad for the child.
The creator cannot defend itself from the boomer with an axe. Best to have it age-gated for the creator's own safety.

What you think when the creators and boomers are the same persons?

There are numeroses japanese company founded by pervert Japan that now are perfect boomer. Just, you make a little research on google and you will surprise by the start date of acctivity for the most famous " eroge game japanese company".

The most famous software houes in Japan started their business with eroges:

From Wikipedia : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eroge
The earliest known commercial erotic computer game is PSK's Lolita Yakyūken, released in 1982.

(1982.)That same year, Koei released the erotic title, Seduction of the Condominium Wife (団地妻の誘惑, Danchi Zuma no Yūwaku) ( Now Tecmo-Koey )

(1982.)Other now-famous Japanese companies such as Enix, Square and Nihon Falcom also released erotic adult games for the PC-8801 computer in the early 1980s before they became mainstream. ( They did final fantasy, but they started with eroge games)

AliceSoft (アリスソフト, ArisuSofuto) (sometimes Alice Soft) was established in 1989, as an eroge developer and publisher for the computer market, first for the PC-88 and PC-98, and later for PCs running Microsoft Windows platforms. Its first titles were Rance and Intruder, released simultaneously in July 1989. It has continued to release several titles each year, though not always exclusively adult-oriented. It is a brand name owned by ChampionSoft Co., Ltd. (株式会社チャンピオンソフト, Kabushiki-gaisha Chanpion Sofuto), a company founded in March 1983.

In the early 1990s eroge games became much more common. Most eroge games, a fairly large library, found its way on the PC-9801 platform. FM Towns also received many games, more so than the X68000 or MS-DOS, whilst the MSX platform (which had many eroge games in the 1980s) was nearing the end of its lifetime. Eroge was much less common on consoles – only NEC's PC Engine series had officially licensed adult games, and from the mid-90s, Sega's Saturn.
Both Nintendo and Sony disallowed adult video games on their consoles. Games also started to appear on Windows as it grew in popularity.

Illusion (Japanese: イリュージョン, Hepburn: Iryūjon) was one of the adult video game brands of Japanese company I-One Co., Ltd. based in Yokohama. It is notable for developing eroge video games with 3D graphics. After launching as a new brand of Heart Electronics Industry in 1992, I-One Co., Ltd. was established in 1996 [a]. Interheart Co., Ltd. is an independent manufacturer from Heart Electronics Industry. The brand name is derived from the meaning of “visual entertainment”.[1]

In 1996, the new software developer and publisher Leaf expanded on this idea, calling it a visual novel and releasing their first successful game, Shizuku, a horror story starring a rapist high school student, with very highly reviewed writing and music. Their next game, Kizuato, was almost as dark. However, in 1997, they released To Heart, a sweetly sentimental story of high school love that became one of the most famous and trendsetting eroge ever. To Heart's music was so popular it was added to karaoke machines throughout Japan—a first for eroge.

In response to increasing pressure from Japanese lobby groups, in mid-1996 Sega of Japan announced that they would no longer permit Sega Saturn games to include nudity.

[Mad Scientist]

Originally posted by D. Flame:

Originally posted by Komarimaru:

Ya just talking in circles now, since been proven wrong each time. You then change the goal posts as it were, to lose that argument as well. Why do you do this?

I haven't been proven wrong. Your opinion is not a fact, and me explaining why your constantly shifting statements are wrong is not moving the goal posts.

You have actually been proven wrong multiple times, just like when you write opinions about volunteer moderators which gets debunked by multiple parties, ever since their retirement, an example of how many times corrections are given.

So, as usual, Steam has not censored the game like the title claims.

Censorship implies you can't get the game in its current form; that something was removed in order to be listed, black bars put on, things of the sort. Having to log in due to boxes checked is such a complete non-issue. I'm not sure why you're hyper focusing on having to log in for this, to a free steam account.

Originally posted by D. Flame:

But rather than acknowledge that fact, most of you simply move on to the next nebulous argument, and when I explain why that claim is wrong too, you start accusing me of moving the goal posts.

Because it started as a claim of "censorship" and each time it's proven wrong it goes to something else which gets proven wrong, it indeed keeps shifting repeatedly.

Is there an actual issue or is this just targeting steam just like volunteer mods but over some anime game? Because there's definitely no censorship in regard to that game. So what's the actual intention here?

[wesnef]

censorship

<inigo>You keep using that word. I do not think it means, what you think it means.</inigo>

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by D. Flame:

Originally posted by Komarimaru:

Ya just talking in circles now, since been proven wrong each time. You then change the goal posts as it were, to lose that argument as well. Why do you do this?

I haven't been proven wrong. Your opinion is not a fact, and me explaining why your constantly shifting statements are wrong is not moving the goal posts.

You (general you) make statements like it, "it is just age gating," until I prove that it is not by getting people to open it in an incognito window then do the same with CP77, thus proving they are different. But rather than acknowledge that fact, most of you simply move on to the next nebulous argument, and when I explain why that claim is wrong too, you start accusing me of moving the goal posts.

So was it "shifting statements" when I showed you DLC that isn't in the PlayStation version and suddenly it turned into wanting an explanation of why that DLC wasn't available on PlayStation?

[D. Flame]

Originally posted by wesnef:

censorship

<inigo>You keep using that word. I do not think it means, what you think it means.</inigo>

"the action of preventing part or the whole of a book, film, work of art, document, or other kind of communication from being seen or made available to the public, because it is considered to be offensive or harmful, or because it contains information that someone wishes to keep secret, often for political reasons: "

I already broke this down earlier in the thread.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by D. Flame:

Originally posted by wesnef:

<inigo>You keep using that word. I do not think it means, what you think it means.</inigo>

"the action of preventing part or the whole of a book, film, work of art, document, or other kind of communication from being seen or made available to the public, because it is considered to be offensive or harmful, or because it contains information that someone wishes to keep secret, often for political reasons: "

I already broke this down earlier in the thread.

Good thing it isn't being prevented from being seen or made available.

[Mad Scientist]

Originally posted by D. Flame:

Originally posted by wesnef:

<inigo>You keep using that word. I do not think it means, what you think it means.</inigo>

"the action of preventing part or the whole of a book, film, work of art, document, or other kind of communication from being seen or made available to the public, because it is considered to be offensive or harmful, or because it contains information that someone wishes to keep secret, often for political reasons: "

I already broke this down earlier in the thread.

Except, again, with a free public account anyone can see it. No restrictions of paywalling.
You can walk into a bookstore for free.
You can see a movie in a movie theater after you pay for a ticket so by the given logic you're giving us, movie theaters are "censoring" movies.
You can make a free steam account and see anything, but you also have to opt-in if you want to see specific types of games, does that make it "censorship" or the filters they are?

Also notice when most people debunk each shift, it largely goes ignored because there's no refuting it.

[Tito Shivan]

I guess videoclubs were 'censoring' adult titles by putting them all behind a red curtain.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by Tito Shivan:

I guess videoclubs were 'censoring' adult titles by putting them all behind a red curtain.

I guess smoke shops are 'censoring' their products by requiring an ID to enter.

[m662]

Is it censoring if I close my eyes while reading this thread?
Have to open them though to grab the censored Costco popcorn.