Coinkydink (Banned) May 20, 2024 @ 1:06pm
Literally wading through shovelware
This is worse than I realised because there are also games from non-English developers that don't even have a decent English translation- not just in-game but also in the game's store page.

Then there are the "games" that are nothing but placeholders for patches containing cartoon rape prawn (and who knows what else) that users can dowload from the dev's website.....

seriously Valve, you can do better than this.:steamthumbsdown:
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potato May 20, 2024 @ 1:07pm 
that's not what literally means
Eagle_of_Fire May 20, 2024 @ 5:23pm 
There is literally a nude or porn mod on Nexus for almost every possible game. Those are the most popular kind of mods. Why are you even annoyed at all that devs provide an official, non mandatory one?

If you have to try to use an argument to convince people of your agenda then I would strongly suggest that you actually have a point while doing so.
Start_Running May 20, 2024 @ 6:30pm 
Originally posted by nagu_al:
This is worse than I realised because there are also games from non-English developers that don't even have a decent English translation- not just in-game but also in the game's store page.

Then there are the "games" that are nothing but placeholders for patches containing cartoon rape prawn (and who knows what else) that users can dowload from the dev's website.....

seriously Valve, you can do better than this.:steamthumbsdown:
So why did you adjust your filter settings to shiow you these games m8. Why are you trawling through the garbage end of the steam catalog. Plenty of good games to be found ...if you are actually looking for good games
Zio May 20, 2024 @ 6:52pm 
Yeah but in the very least those games are flat out lying/trying to get past steam's systems. They od the most basic coverups and then either give directions or straight up sell 18+ DLC.

That said though, Steam/Valve doesn't seem to give a damn at all so whether or what system is or isn't sidestepped is completely irrelevent at that point.

Aside from that, not sure what OP means specifically either and I'm not sure I would call the flood of stuff that gets on Steam "shovelware" but just because I never bothered to use the word or look up the definition because usually it's just a buzz word for games people don't like. Unfortunately, generally speaking I have to agree with OP. If it was just a few, who cares, but this stuff has gotten worse almost exponentially.

To clarify a bit, I'm sitting here in Germany and technically I shouldn't be seeing any of the prawn games. While it is bs to flatout play this charade, I still shouldn't see them at all technically. But I keep seeing them. Though it's all such low quality garbage I wouldn't even want to see it. In the past, before the blanket quasi ban I found literally one single game that had undeniable quality. Not that I liked it xD but it was technically and visually fine and also tasteful, as far as I could judge from the single trailer/video. I could say much more on that regard but I doubt elaborating is gonna change anything.

But that's just prawn games. Overall Valve is flooded with literal asset flips and other low effort cash grabs, including but not limited to games people have AI churn out for them. Again, literally, not hyperbole. Granted the full AI games I've seen were like 2 or 3, but MANY more games have used AI to some extent. Most popular and glaringly obvious are AI voices. And hardly any of them use the "This is how the developer describes the use of AI in their game" section for it. They just don't. And the dimbulb achievement runner games are/were just the tip of the iceberg.
And Steam knows their platform is being flooded, their hands off approach is just not working too well anymore. One of the main reasons why we keep seeing these "sales events" all the time now. The bigger of these events lose most of their meaning as Steam tends to just add games based on user suggested tags.
Just for fun, check my profile. Nobody can tell me I wasn't doing my leg work. With every event I go through literally EVERY game in them. The only ones where I don't do that is when it becomes apparent that the "all games " list at the bottom is almost endless And that's because tags are the main reason the games are included automatically. With zero human oversight.This gets obvious when you come across games that are literally done for, games where even the devs have posted a so long and thanks for all the fish post years ago.

But as I said, Valve's hands off approach is working less and less well. I used to go through ALL new and upcoming releases, I actually got through all of them at times, I used to add half or even ull activity pages of games to my wishlist. Now it's 2 or 3 lines at most. AND I only do so when I have some random urge for it. Now it feels like I'm torturing myself for no reason when it used to be genuine fun to explore and find cool games. That joy is gone completely because there is just so much...let's say sub par products you have to sift through.

One of the wildest things is that people to this day claim Greenlight was/is the real problem. None of these people ever actually went through Steam on their own. I used to blame them for their ignorance, meanwhile though? Ooooof...and I could go on. Like the games "devs" put on Steam that would probably not even pass for game jam games but are sold for 20 and up, the sky is the limit. Games that are apparently some form of money laundering. Sometimes something happend and stuff got removed, but those are exceptions.

You know who I feel really bad for? The people working on SteamLabs stuff. I've known one of them to have a genuine interest in it, especially helping get indies more exposure...but all of that has turned into the usual Steam machinations with a face lift.



tl;dr: as someone who used to do the leg work of going through all games on steam, yes ALL, I can safely say Steam has been getting worse for years, and it's getting abysmally worse for everyone outside AAA or high profile indies. Nobody is staying up all night to get lucky. While I don't think the industry is anywhere near another "crash", gaming is anywhere but healthy. And that's just lpain game-wise. It gets worse with Capital G Gamers, "politics" and whatnot.

Even the discussions here in the main section used to be better. If nothing else, it used to be last resort of what felt to be sane people (and mods) on Steam. Not getting that feeling anymore. Just looking around every once in a while and...well, considering options.

There's absolutely no hope left in me on here for various reasons. But even I can't rule out the possibility of actually getting through to someone at some point...if my hopes were higher I'd post here much more often...
Zio May 20, 2024 @ 6:56pm 
Originally posted by Start_Running:
Originally posted by nagu_al:
This is worse than I realised because there are also games from non-English developers that don't even have a decent English translation- not just in-game but also in the game's store page.

Then there are the "games" that are nothing but placeholders for patches containing cartoon rape prawn (and who knows what else) that users can dowload from the dev's website.....

seriously Valve, you can do better than this.:steamthumbsdown:
So why did you adjust your filter settings to shiow you these games m8. Why are you trawling through the garbage end of the steam catalog. Plenty of good games to be found ...if you are actually looking for good games

Just talking filters, filters are a non-solution because they filter out more than just the most explicit stuff. Ironically wouldn't even be sure if that was an effective parental control measure seeing how clear stuff is subverting Steam's rules with surface level coverups and the like. And there's plenty of garbage outside of prawn content.
Start_Running May 20, 2024 @ 7:48pm 
Originally posted by Zio:
Originally posted by Start_Running:
So why did you adjust your filter settings to shiow you these games m8. Why are you trawling through the garbage end of the steam catalog. Plenty of good games to be found ...if you are actually looking for good games

Just talking filters, filters are a non-solution because they filter out more than just the most explicit stuff. Ironically wouldn't even be sure if that was an effective parental control measure seeing how clear stuff is subverting Steam's rules with surface level coverups and the like. And there's plenty of garbage outside of prawn content.
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Originally posted by Zio:
Yeah but in the very least those games are flat out lying/trying to get past steam's systems. They od the most basic coverups and then either give directions or straight up sell 18+ DLC.
Last i checked..neither of those things violated Steam's rules.
Last edited by Start_Running; May 20, 2024 @ 7:49pm
bidulless May 20, 2024 @ 10:17pm 
Originally posted by nagu_al:
This is worse than I realised because there are also games from non-English developers that don't even have a decent English translation- not just in-game but also in the game's store page.

Then there are the "games" that are nothing but placeholders for patches containing cartoon rape prawn (and who knows what else) that users can dowload from the dev's website.....

seriously Valve, you can do better than this.:steamthumbsdown:
hello

English is not anymore the first and bigged market in the game industry since a long time ago , even in steam i guess (check the survey and language)
https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/
But true we need a better and trusted source than this survey for that so if you know one, your're welcome
If there is not good english in game or no translate at all, there is may be one solution that all other countries have done :

learn another language

But if the game is using the unity engine , there is a nice tool that can help you if the game does not have english
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/11/4349988612573450321/?ctp=15#c4361250750312598215
I hope it will help you if your game does not have english and run with the unity game engine
Last edited by bidulless; May 20, 2024 @ 11:17pm
Chika Ogiue May 20, 2024 @ 11:07pm 
I'd love to see photographic evidence of OP literally wading through the shovelware.
Coinkydink (Banned) May 21, 2024 @ 6:11am 
Originally posted by potato:
that's not what literally means
I admit this was bad form but in my defense I was *almost* literally shaking with indignation.

The store is basically unuseable for casual browsing if you have any taste whatsoever in games, unless you have the time/luck to find the right curator for your tastes.

it's more of a problem for Valve than for me in the long run. The previous crash happened because of shovelware.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_crash_of_1983
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Brian9824 May 21, 2024 @ 7:06am 
Originally posted by nagu_al:
Originally posted by potato:
that's not what literally means
I admit this was bad form but in my defense I was *almost* literally shaking with indignation.

The store is basically unuseable for casual browsing if you have any taste whatsoever in games, unless you have the time/luck to find the right curator for your tastes.

it's more of a problem for Valve than for me in the long run. The previous crash happened because of shovelware.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_crash_of_1983

You have to actually read the details. It was caused by multiple systems all with their own proprietary games combined with limited retail space, too much space devoted to the consoles etc. The PHYSICAL restrictions of selling the items let to scenarios where you had the shelves filled with junk people weren't buying thus blocking the good games.

This isn't a problem with online games as the store can't be filled.
Tiberius May 21, 2024 @ 7:15am 
Originally posted by Chika Ogiue:
I'd love to see photographic evidence of OP literally wading through the shovelware.

I'm not surprised if he actually did it. Some ppl are like maggots, they're attracted to trash

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYAYqxocCXY
Start_Running May 21, 2024 @ 7:19am 
Originally posted by brian9824:
Originally posted by nagu_al:
I admit this was bad form but in my defense I was *almost* literally shaking with indignation.

The store is basically unuseable for casual browsing if you have any taste whatsoever in games, unless you have the time/luck to find the right curator for your tastes.

it's more of a problem for Valve than for me in the long run. The previous crash happened because of shovelware.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_crash_of_1983

You have to actually read the details. It was caused by multiple systems all with their own proprietary games combined with limited retail space, too much space devoted to the consoles etc. The PHYSICAL restrictions of selling the items let to scenarios where you had the shelves filled with junk people weren't buying thus blocking the good games.

This isn't a problem with online games as the store can't be filled.

People keep forgetting the detauils. Also the simple fact that it;s known more accurately as the "NOrth American Video Game Crash".

Because in North America you had I think like 5 different consoles in the market at the same time. Not counting the Home computer systems. Each of these with their own proprietary hardware/peripherals, and games, . Games which were not very distinct from each other .

Also they forget that it was a distribution crash. Basically the damand was still there. It never dropped or wavered. What happened was the retailers cashed out. It's hard to iumagine, in this postnes world, that video games weren't seen as an industry initially. They were seen as just the latest fad. And retailers treated them as such. So basically once things started to level out for a little bit retailers took that as their cue to cash out. Of course that leveling out was the precursor to another spike.

Heck even Nintendo had to backdoor their way onto american shelves via the toy aisle.. EVer wonder why the NES had so many oddball peripherals that ere barely supported.
The Light Gun,. The Power Pad, ROB, The Power Glove, The Advantage, the 4 score, and thats not counting all the third party stuff as well,.

That's why.

The OP's problem I suspect is justr that they aren;'t looking for "Good Games". They are looking for "Cheap Games". Or "New Cheap Games". Trying to find hidden gems and all. If you're actually looking for Good Games, they are easy to find.
Last edited by Start_Running; May 21, 2024 @ 7:21am
AustrAlien2010 May 21, 2024 @ 7:24am 
If there is something wrong with a title you can report it.
You can also set Steam to only show games in a certain language.
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Crazy Tiger May 21, 2024 @ 7:25am 
Threads like these always do surprise me. What do people different? I mean, I rarely run into such games when going through the store. How do people "wade" through them?
Aachen May 21, 2024 @ 7:37am 
If one’s wading through shovelware, they may need to leave the hardware store.
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