Dura_Ace Jun 12, 2024 @ 5:16am
Gaming giant Steam accused of ripping off 14m UK gamers. Class action suit in the UK filed
Per BBC news. Front page today.

These are the same accusations that google was accused of doing when it comes to the %30 commission/"fee".


Butit also goes deeper as Steam is accused of using one sided agreements that prohibit sales of the game for cheaper on competing platforms. A so called "price parity" agreement. Which will be deemed to be illegal. Just because you sign up to a one sided EULA or a one sided legal agreement does not by far mean that this is legal.

I am pretty sure Valve will settle and attempt to steer terms. The loss in court could be catastrophic for Steam so my thoughts are that it will settle without admitting guilt. Shame really.
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Chika Ogiue Jun 12, 2024 @ 6:25am 
Originally posted by KING:
Especially compared to PlayStation & Xbox which are the ones who really do rip off UK consumers (globally probably)

Not globally. I live in one of the few regions where Steam's prices are generally higher than those of other platforms. But even I think the lawsuit is stupid. It's ignoring a key point; publishers these days are free to set the price on Steam. If they chose to sell higher than on consoles (which in my region, they often do), it's their choice.

Valve hasn't told them to stop or forced the increase. Which also proves the claim of that pricing clause to be strenuous, too, as Valve aren't enforcing their pricing points or parity between platforms.
Kargor Jun 12, 2024 @ 6:31am 
Originally posted by aiusepsi:
One person says "[Price parity is] not formally listed in documentation in Steamworks, but always addressed in person", but another says in reply: "I thought we asked about most favored nation pricing way back when and the answer was no, it was not required."

No surprise really.

If you're a small developer, you're just signing the pre-made contract and that's it.

If you're a large publisher, you're probably actually talking to a Steam representative at some point. I don't know what argument they'll make about "price parity", but just because they mention it, suggest it, favor it -- whatever they do, if it's not agreed upon then it doesn't matter what they would like to have. And they certainly do favor it -- or un-favor it, if the Steam price is the lower one. And, I'm pretty sure these are marketing experts -- they'll pitch price parity as the best invention ever and a huge boost to YOUR business.

In fact, I've recently seen -- smaller games again, so no talking with any rep -- slightly lower prices for Epic keys than the Steam key, for the same game in the same store. So it's quite the opposite of "parity" there (and, unfortunately, isthereanydeal notices there are two prices for the game, but lists both as "Steam"). This was a sale price, though, so both were better than the Steam store.

Originally posted by Chika Ogiue:
Not globally. I live in one of the few regions where Steam's prices are generally higher than those of other platforms. But even I think the lawsuit is stupid. It's ignoring a key point; publishers these days are free to set the price on Steam. If they chose to sell higher than on consoles (which in my region, they often do), it's their choice.

That's not the same thing, though -- console prices have always been slightly higher than PC; price parity is mostly about different distribution platforms on the PC (like Steam, Epic, GoG) because people could just decide to not get the Steam version and buy Epic or GoG instead, without too much hassle (personally, I don't -- I like to avoid even the last bit of hassle by actually having everything on one platform). It's not so easy to not get Steam and instead get the PS5 version -- it plays on entirely different hardware.
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Nightwolf Jun 12, 2024 @ 7:10am 
wow..so surprising. tomorrows headline EUROPEANS FORCE TO PLUG BUTT TO LIMIT GREENHOUSE POLLUTING FARTS. its a lot more meaningful when there isnt a new CRISIS every day in Europe.
Will be deleted Jun 12, 2024 @ 7:15am 
Originally posted by Nightwolf:
wow..so surprising. tomorrows headline EUROPEANS FORCE TO PLUG BUTT TO LIMIT GREENHOUSE POLLUTING FARTS. its a lot more meaningful when there isnt a new CRISIS every day in Europe.
Well wages are much higher in USA, like a normal senior software developer make like $200k in just base salary with 6 weeks paid vacation while prices atleast for video games are more or less the same.

Americans maybe effectively pay half as much or even less for video games once salary after tax is taken account for compared to Europeans doing the same job at the same effort.

So is that fair?
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76561199648916059 Jun 12, 2024 @ 7:39am 
As customers of many companies it's hard today to not feel taken advantage of, in the game market we are taken advantage by both developers, publishers and even the companies that sell the consoles or devices for the games.

The turn over is huge on hardware and devices, and a great example is new games expecting customers to buy the best hardware or newest platform device to play the game, which in most cases the actually game was created on a far less power system and ran just fine, simply compounded with needless processing to require a more beefy hardware.

What steams doing with the 30% rake on developers should actually be a warning to developers to disengage from creating games and software, simply because of the massive saturation on the market has made a majority of the games completely worthless, never getting played and ultimately failing.

If you make something, you sell it for what you want, no contract or legal choke hold is gonna stop someone for giving away there own product. Steam trying to strong arm prices is not gonna matter when most people don't actually buy the game off steam anyway.
Chika Ogiue Jun 12, 2024 @ 8:24am 
Originally posted by Kargor:
That's not the same thing, though -- console prices have always been slightly higher than PC; price parity is mostly about different distribution platforms on the PC (like Steam, Epic, GoG) because people could just decide to not get the Steam version and buy Epic or GoG instead, without too much hassle (personally, I don't -- I like to avoid even the last bit of hassle by actually having everything on one platform). It's not so easy to not get Steam and instead get the PS5 version -- it plays on entirely different hardware.

In this region, it's the same thing. You'll also notice I said console pricing is often *CHEAPER* here than Steam. GOG doesn't count, they don't use our currency; so that automatically makes them several times more expensive than Steam due to that alone. But if we were to compare other stores that sold with the same currency on PC only, excluding Epic (which I don't bother with), the pricing can still be cheaper than the Steam price -- and that's with legitimate publisher supplied keys.
Ben Lubar Jun 12, 2024 @ 8:52am 
The price parity requirement Steam imposes are on stores that sell Steam keys. As in, if you put your game on another store for a cheaper price, as long as that store is not using Steam's resources to distribute the game, that's perfectly fine.

This exact lawsuit was already tried in the United States by Wolfire Games, and they lost.
Komarimaru Jun 12, 2024 @ 8:52am 
I'm willing to bet, this is the Milberg London LLP suit that is also from Wolfire convincing some "family friendly" person owned company that Valve controls all prices.

So, nothing new. I hope it does go to UK courts, since would be hilarious to see what really happens.

Why? Since the UK is brutal against those who file and go forwards with false claiming suites. Their is no trial if they fail their suite with false claims, it's instant punishment.
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THE WARDEN Jun 12, 2024 @ 9:08am 
Originally posted by Will be deleted:
Originally posted by Nightwolf:
wow..so surprising. tomorrows headline EUROPEANS FORCE TO PLUG BUTT TO LIMIT GREENHOUSE POLLUTING FARTS. its a lot more meaningful when there isnt a new CRISIS every day in Europe.
Well wages are much higher in USA, like a normal senior software developer make like $200k in just base salary with 6 weeks paid vacation while prices atleast for video games are more or less the same.

Americans maybe effectively pay half as much or even less for video games once salary after tax is taken account for compared to Europeans doing the same job at the same effort.

So is that fair?

In the context of the UK specifically. The wages in this field are not much higher in the US, if higher at all. In London, software engineers can make beyond £200k (256k USD) base if highly experienced. Naturally, its a very experience dependant field as salaries can range dramatically. But those in the top end jobs are making great money. Can't speak for the rest of Europe though, the UK is an outlier due to its wealth relative to size
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THE WARDEN Jun 12, 2024 @ 9:12am 
Originally posted by Nightwolf:
wow..so surprising. tomorrows headline EUROPEANS FORCE TO PLUG BUTT TO LIMIT GREENHOUSE POLLUTING FARTS. its a lot more meaningful when there isnt a new CRISIS every day in Europe.

Respectfully, Europe isn't a country, its a continent that contains around 50 countries each of which are quite different from one another
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Ogami Jun 12, 2024 @ 9:36am 
BTW that same laywer and law firm tried the exact same lawsuit against SONY 2 years ago.
Its just their grift.
Last edited by Ogami; Jun 12, 2024 @ 9:44am
Originally posted by KING:
Originally posted by Nightwolf:
wow..so surprising. tomorrows headline EUROPEANS FORCE TO PLUG BUTT TO LIMIT GREENHOUSE POLLUTING FARTS. its a lot more meaningful when there isnt a new CRISIS every day in Europe.

Respectfully, Europe isn't a country, its a continent that contains around 50 countries each of which are quite different from one another
Which doesn't change anything he said? He never claimed it was a country
Another clickbait article against Steam/Valve. I'm surprised our usual suspect didn't make this Thread.
metamec Jun 12, 2024 @ 9:40am 
Milberg London LLP's case against Sony is ongoing. It was given permission to go to trial. I don't think there is any connection between them and Wolfire.
Ogami Jun 12, 2024 @ 9:43am 
Originally posted by Unn4m3d (♥AUT♥):
Another clickbait article against Steam/Valve. I'm surprised our usual suspect didn't make this Thread.

I am sure he will jump on it as soon as he sees the news.
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