Simons Mith 2024 年 5 月 23 日 上午 9:43
Flashing banner ads are rude and obnoxious, wherever they show up, including here
Not sure which is the most appropriate forum for this, but thi is a real customer complaint about odious behaviour on the part of Steam and its affiliates.

The current Warhammer Skulls Festival of Games banner is REALLY ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ANNOYING.
It takes up 1/3 of my screen and is animated with random bright flashes of lightning.

Now, okay, Steam is a game-focussed site, and while I still think things like animated avatars and dancing emojis are annoying, normally I'll make allowances. It is a game site after all. If you're just playing about, it's kind of fair enough for that stuff to show up. A lot of people like blinky flashy toys. It doesn't make it any less annoying to me personnally, but I'm willing to accept it as part of the medium. But having that Warhammer banner show up really annoyed me because it was such an egregious example and there is no way I could opt out of it appearing. IDGAF about Warhammer's heavy metal branding.

This banner crosses a line; Steam should not permit ANY game, regardless of its branding, to produce banner ads that behave in this way. Would you permit an epilepsy trigger in that location? I suspect the Warhammer ad is close to an epilepsy trigger, if not past it. If someone can point me to a Steam staff member responsible for addressing this kind of abuse I will certainly escalate.

An elementary principle of competent, considerate user interface design is that things that could be epilepsy triggers should be OPT IN by default, not opt out! Stone me.
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Piston Smashed™ 2024 年 5 月 26 日 下午 1:03 
引用自 GRONF
引用自 Piston Smashed™
I've just been suffering with the same problem, the flashing lights were killing me I couldn't stand it anymore. So I went searching the internet for an answer. I tried everything possible, spent minutes looking for a solution and then it hit me like a sack of spuds, scroll down the page until it it is out of sight.

My life is now 100% better, my girlfriend loves the fact that now I'm a genius with how I came up with such an ingenious solution to a problem which no-one else could figure out. I hope you and your friend can use this information to make your life so much more pleasurable. :spazwinky:

Terrible "solution". Adblock is the way. What you are saying is ridiculous.

One click down on my scroll wheel and the banner is gone.
^_^ 2024 年 5 月 26 日 下午 1:03 
引用自 Piston Smashed™
I've just been suffering with the same problem, the flashing lights were killing me I couldn't stand it anymore. So I went searching the internet for an answer. I tried everything possible, spent minutes looking for a solution and then it hit me like a sack of spuds, scroll down the page until it it is out of sight.

My life is now 100% better, my girlfriend loves the fact that now I'm a genius with how I came up with such an ingenious solution to a problem which no-one else could figure out. I hope you and your friend can use this information to make your life so much more pleasurable. :spazwinky:

You clearly don't know anyone with epilepsy.
If you had spent half that effort looking up the problem, then you could have avoided making such an embarrassingly ignorant post.
Here: https://www.epilepsy.com/
Piston Smashed™ 2024 年 5 月 26 日 下午 1:06 
引用自 ^_^
引用自 Piston Smashed™
I've just been suffering with the same problem, the flashing lights were killing me I couldn't stand it anymore. So I went searching the internet for an answer. I tried everything possible, spent minutes looking for a solution and then it hit me like a sack of spuds, scroll down the page until it it is out of sight.

My life is now 100% better, my girlfriend loves the fact that now I'm a genius with how I came up with such an ingenious solution to a problem which no-one else could figure out. I hope you and your friend can use this information to make your life so much more pleasurable. :spazwinky:

You clearly don't know anyone with epilepsy.
If you had spent half that effort looking up the problem, then you could have avoided making such an embarrassingly ignorant post.
Here: https://www.epilepsy.com/

I gave a quick and simple solution, it takes less than a second to scroll down on your mouse wheel and best of all, you don't even have to look at the screen to do it. Just one click down on the scroll wheel and everything is hunky-dory.
^_^ 2024 年 5 月 26 日 下午 1:09 
引用自 Piston Smashed™
引用自 ^_^

You clearly don't know anyone with epilepsy.
If you had spent half that effort looking up the problem, then you could have avoided making such an embarrassingly ignorant post.
Here: https://www.epilepsy.com/

I gave a quick and simple solution, it takes less than a second to scroll down on your mouse wheel and best of all, you don't even have to look at the screen to do it. Just one click down on the scroll wheel and everything is hunky-dory.

Unless the page lags, or a sale window pops up, or literally anything that prevents what you just described from working...and then suddenly my friend is in agony because of a banner that triggers her epilepsy.
Are you going to help when that happens, or are you just going to sit there, smug about the fact that you don't have such a disability?
Piston Smashed™ 2024 年 5 月 26 日 下午 1:20 
引用自 ^_^
引用自 Piston Smashed™

I gave a quick and simple solution, it takes less than a second to scroll down on your mouse wheel and best of all, you don't even have to look at the screen to do it. Just one click down on the scroll wheel and everything is hunky-dory.

Unless the page lags, or a sale window pops up, or literally anything that prevents what you just described from working...and then suddenly my friend is in agony because of a banner that triggers her epilepsy.
Are you going to help when that happens, or are you just going to sit there, smug about the fact that you don't have such a disability?

I am not being smug and I do feel for your friend and anyone else who suffers with a disability, I do have my own problems so I do understand and I was just trying to give a quick and simple solution.

Is it a perfect solution, probably not but it can be done quickly and easily without even looking at the monitor even if the page lags while loading. I went and tried it several times (without any lag though) and had no problems doing so, it could be used at least until a more permanent solution can be found.
最后由 Piston Smashed™ 编辑于; 2024 年 5 月 26 日 下午 1:20
^_^ 2024 年 5 月 26 日 下午 1:21 
引用自 Piston Smashed™
My life is now 100% better, my girlfriend loves the fact that now I'm a genius with how I came up with such an ingenious solution to a problem which no-one else could figure out. I hope you and your friend can use this information to make your life so much more pleasurable. :spazwinky:

That wasn't you being smug?
最后由 ^_^ 编辑于; 2024 年 5 月 26 日 下午 1:21
Piston Smashed™ 2024 年 5 月 26 日 下午 1:23 
引用自 ^_^
引用自 Piston Smashed™
My life is now 100% better, my girlfriend loves the fact that now I'm a genius with how I came up with such an ingenious solution to a problem which no-one else could figure out. I hope you and your friend can use this information to make your life so much more pleasurable. :spazwinky:

That wasn't you being smug?

No that was me trying to be funny with a simple common sense solution. However, I forgot most of the internet these days have no common sense and even less humour. Next time I'll just say "scroll down". :happyleon:
Heraclius Caesar 2024 年 5 月 26 日 下午 1:24 
I love Warhammer but I agree that the banner is a bit much
Odra 2024 年 5 月 26 日 下午 1:43 
Problem is that it is hard to discern actual health concerns from someone simply padding his argument to be more effective.

There have been instances in the past of users who dislike a feature, or are simply averse to change due to their own personal limitations, so they piggyback behind arguments they feel will get them the result they want without actually caring about them.

So telling the difference between something real and something blown out of proportion as a strong-arm tactic becomes very difficult, considering trust and goodwill are now a luxury thanks to unscrupulous people.
IFIYGD 2024 年 5 月 26 日 下午 3:31 
OP and others trying to get hold of Steam Support about this issue- whether it's a potential issue with epilepsy or another neurological condition that is photo-sensitive or aggravated by bright flashing lights and effects-
Steam Support here on the Client or the website doesn't really have a category under the Steam Client section that addresses this issue. You can try that first, but... good luck, I guess?

It might be better to contact Valve directly with concerns, using one of the 2 Customer Support contacts on the Valve website that have an active link to sent them an email.
https://www.valvesoftware.com/en/people

Sometimes contacting a company directly instead of having to go through convoluted channels can work, though so far emails about this issue from myself and my daughter (who has epilepsy) don't seem to have done any good. But it is something to try.

When BlueSky (a new social media platform) added animated gifs to the app and the site, it was set to autoplay animated gifs by default. A number of us used the "Feedback" email link on the app or website to contact them and let them know that disabling autoplay by default was a much better way to deal with this, to lessen or prevent harm to people using the app who have epilepsy or photo-sensitive neurological conditions. Within 24 hours their team had changed the default setting to "Disable Autoplay for gifs". One click to enable autoplay for gifs.

Much smaller company and platform, so I would not expect any instant results with Valve. But if is another way to try to get some attention paid to the issue.

Yes, people with epilepsy do game. Yes, there are lots of games sold on Steam that do not have blinky flashy lights and effects that they can and often will buy and play. But only if they can get to their store pages without risking having a seizure or migraine or other painful condition or reaction.

Best of luck to you.
Chika Ogiue 2024 年 5 月 26 日 下午 7:28 
引用自 Princess Luna
Adblock, whats that?

Please point me to an adblocker that works for the Steam client. I will gladly use it.

引用自 Chelle
I finally posit that if 'epilepsy' is a factor for someone they avoid Steam for any extended periods and indeed gaming.

What can trigger epilepsy for one person, won't necessarily trigger it for another. Nor will it necessarily have the same effect if the trigger is the same. As I child, the form of juvenile epilepsy I had would, when triggered, destroy my short-term memory. For those with a more serious and longer lasting form, it might cause convulsions.

Now, you'll notice that many games WARN players when they may contain epilepsy triggers. As many TV stations (and even some streaming services) will warn if a particular program contains similar triggers. These allow suffers to make an informed decision, to avoid those particular pieces of entertainment if they need.

Where is the warning on the Steam store page for that banner? There isn't one. There is no way for a sufferer to make an informed decision before they strobe effect is flashed into their retina.
最后由 Chika Ogiue 编辑于; 2024 年 5 月 26 日 下午 7:36
Ben Lubar 2024 年 5 月 26 日 下午 7:32 
引用自 Chika Ogiue
引用自 Princess Luna
Adblock, whats that?

Please point me to an adblocker that works for the Steam client. I will gladly use it.

I'm not aware of any ad blocker that blocked the specific flashing video Warhammer put up there.
Chika Ogiue 2024 年 5 月 26 日 下午 7:39 
引用自 Ben Lubar
引用自 Chika Ogiue

Please point me to an adblocker that works for the Steam client. I will gladly use it.

I'm not aware of any ad blocker that blocked the specific flashing video Warhammer put up there.

For Chrome, at least, the plugin AutoplayStopper prevents animations. And it does act on that specific banner. Further, Ublock Origin (and similar) can block the banner if you add it to the filter via the Eyedropper tool.
Ben Lubar 2024 年 5 月 26 日 下午 7:42 
引用自 Chika Ogiue
Further, Ublock Origin (and similar) can block the banner if you add it to the filter via the Eyedropper tool.

Yes, but me looking at the banner and going "oh that's unfortunate. I should avoid looking there until the sale is over." has the same effect. The damage (me seeing the annoying flashing banner one time) has already been done by that point.
Chika Ogiue 2024 年 5 月 26 日 下午 8:35 
引用自 Ben Lubar
Yes, but me looking at the banner and going "oh that's unfortunate. I should avoid looking there until the sale is over." has the same effect. The damage (me seeing the annoying flashing banner one time) has already been done by that point.

And that's why you also use something like AutoplayStopper. With that active you won't even see the flashing the first time.
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