Account hacking on the rise❓
While browsing through different forums here; I've seeing multiple topics about [accounts being hacked, and money stolen]❗ After all these updates and unnecessary changes Valve/Steam has made, people are still getting hacked! 😢

I remember the 1st time my account got hacked over a decade ago... I found out through a YT video how it was done so easily. Just by adding a "friend". [No details on how for obvious reasons]. This is why I stopped accepting "Friend Requests" ever since then.

These days it seems like accounts can get hacked multiple ways! So what's the solution? 🤷🏻‍♀️ Educating people on what to look out for can be a start.
Ultima modifica da 989; 26 mag 2024, ore 21:10
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Messaggio originale di ragefifty50:
Messaggio originale di Dr.Shadowds 🐉:
3rd party meant not part of.

Scammers change domain, or setup service somewhere else, what is unclear? Yes people report them, but they can't keep up with new ones that appears, and they have to know about them existing in the 1st place.

Steam doesn't make transaction outside of Steam so no idea where you're thinking they sell outside of steam...

Steam can't control people that are gullible, or ignorant. Steam isn't north korea...

You say can always be more, but there isn't more they could do already, besides being either very intrusive, or being like north koera limiting only sites they approve, and nothing else basically making broswer on client pointless, if had to look anything up while ingame, or 3rd party since no point to trusting anyone. Either way people still go out of their way to be gullible, or ignorant in the end, hence can't stop people from making dumb choices.

i dont fully understand how these 3rd party sites work...
3rd party means they're not controlled by 1st party.

Imagine you walk into a store, you see brand name Coca cola, and no name brand just call cola, you buy the no name cola, and you hated the taste, whom do you blame made the bad drink you hated? Not a trick question...

Messaggio originale di ragefifty50:
but your selling trading stuff or gambling stuff which
Show me where Steam selling, or gambling outside of Steam.... No really show me... They do not sell, or gambling outside of Steam. If you go to a site claiming to work with, or for Steam they're lying because Steam does not do transactions outside of steam.

This is Steam market place, this is where can sell traded items. And for gambling that are Loot boxes you open in-game.... So no idea where you're claiming Steam doing this somewhere else outside of steam.
https://steamcommunity.com/market/

Messaggio originale di ragefifty50:
is a transaction somewhere on steam... and dont
English?


Messaggio originale di ragefifty50:
these steam transactions generate money for steam
Yes if via Steam, not outside of Steam hence market place....
https://steamcommunity.com/market/


Messaggio originale di ragefifty50:
as far as new sites.... its like... we could be scanning new domain activity
and key linking words steam trade game skin..... it wouldnt be hard for someone
with a bit of skill.... a bit..
I bet trillion-dollar companies love to hear your idea, I mean not like they haven't thought of this.................... If still haven't dawn on you, they tried, and doesn't work when they keep changing things up over, and over.
Ultima modifica da Dr.Shadowds 🐉; 23 mag 2024, ore 9:05
Messaggio originale di ragefifty50:
i dont know why you need to break it down... its steam stats..
and still 21,472 in the last 24 hours for Account Security & Recovery.... 21,472
Mint that doesn't mean they're 21.472 account thefts. Those tickets rank anywhere from 'I got my account stolen' to lost authenticators, forgotten passwords, old associated phone numbers or emails making people not able to log in...

If Steam is anything like other services, most of those Support requests are just forgotten lost credentials trying to access an account.

With 21K accounts stolen a day the forums would be way, way on fire.
Messaggio originale di 989:
Messaggio originale di cSg|mc-Hotsauce:
Just adding a friend never compromised any account ever.

:winterbunny2023:

You'd be surprised. Unless this a troll response from a hacker. <_<
If you knew anything about this place you would recognise the person you're replying to. Hotsauce helps people all the time with securing their steam accounts. Not a troll.

Simply adding a new friend does nothing. Clicking links which lead to logging into their scam phishing websites using your steam login details does however.
Messaggio originale di Tito Shivan:
Messaggio originale di ragefifty50:
i dont know why you need to break it down... its steam stats..
and still 21,472 in the last 24 hours for Account Security & Recovery.... 21,472
Mint that doesn't mean they're 21.472 account thefts. Those tickets rank anywhere from 'I got my account stolen' to lost authenticators, forgotten passwords, old associated phone numbers or emails making people not able to log in...

If Steam is anything like other services, most of those Support requests are just forgotten lost credentials trying to access an account.

With 21K accounts stolen a day the forums would be way, way on fire.

i did understand that... but its not my fault steam dont provide a better break down..

most... could be 80% today 5% tomorrow... there is probably a reason we dont
get a clear amount for stolen versus forgotten...
Messaggio originale di Dr.Shadowds 🐉:
Messaggio originale di ragefifty50:

i dont fully understand how these 3rd party sites work...
3rd party means they're not controlled by 1st party.

Imagine you walk into a store, you see brand name Coca cola, and no name brand just call cola, you buy the no name cola, and you hated the taste, whom do you blame made the bad drink you hated? Not a trick question...

Messaggio originale di ragefifty50:
but your selling trading stuff or gambling stuff which
Show me where Steam selling, or gambling outside of Steam.... No really show me... They do not sell, or gambling outside of Steam. If you go to a site claiming to work with, or for Steam they're lying because Steam does not do transactions outside of steam.

This is Steam market place, this is where can sell traded items. And for gambling that are Loot boxes you open in-game.... So no idea where you're claiming Steam doing this somewhere else outside of steam.
https://steamcommunity.com/market/

Messaggio originale di ragefifty50:
is a transaction somewhere on steam... and dont
English?


Messaggio originale di ragefifty50:
these steam transactions generate money for steam
Yes if via Steam, not outside of Steam hence market place....
https://steamcommunity.com/market/


Messaggio originale di ragefifty50:
as far as new sites.... its like... we could be scanning new domain activity
and key linking words steam trade game skin..... it wouldnt be hard for someone
with a bit of skill.... a bit..
I bet trillion-dollar companies love to hear your idea, I mean not like they haven't thought of this.................... If still haven't dawn on you, they tried, and doesn't work when they keep changing things up over, and over.

i dont know why you break stuff the way you do...

i said i dont understand how these sites work....
i was under the impression you could put things
in your inventory up up for swapping/gambling
trading on these sites...

a quick google search.... buy dota 2 skins...
how does that work from a non steam site...
i aint clicking links....

how easy to block and block and block and block.. if only we had super fast computers..
Messaggio originale di ragefifty50:
i did understand that... but its not my fault steam dont provide a better break down..

most... could be 80% today 5% tomorrow... there is probably a reason we dont
get a clear amount for stolen versus forgotten...
No one is going to tell you that information. It's not the kind services publish freely. You don't know how many daily hijacks Facebook has, how many has Twitter... or your bank.

There's always way more people who simply loses their credentials than accounts stolen.

And even if we went for the worse possibility... Let's say all those requests belong to stolen accounts... 21K requests out of 32M daily users means only a 0.06% of the daily logged users would have had an unpleasant encounter.

You probably have way more chances to find a cheater in a match than to loose your account to a thief right now.
Messaggio originale di Tito Shivan:
Messaggio originale di ragefifty50:
i did understand that... but its not my fault steam dont provide a better break down..

most... could be 80% today 5% tomorrow... there is probably a reason we dont
get a clear amount for stolen versus forgotten...
No one is going to tell you that information. It's not the kind services publish freely. You don't know how many daily hijacks Facebook has, how many has Twitter... or your bank.

There's always way more people who simply loses their credentials than accounts stolen.

And even if we went for the worse possibility... Let's say all those requests belong to stolen accounts... 21K requests out of 32M daily users means only a 0.06% of the daily logged users would have had an unpleasant encounter.

You probably have way more chances to find a cheater in a match than to loose your account to a thief right now.



all true...

you can maximise and minimise everything... its a daily report....
daily... each day.. every day... 365 days a year....

but does it matter what the figures are considering steam have piled them together....

would it look bad if 2000 each day were being hijacked... or 1000 scammed....

500 phished... i say yes...

i say more can be done... but its not that customer security needs to be harder thats fine

and what about the forgotten...... all that work they are creating.... that needs
a focus group ....whos working on that... do valve have good accountants.... ...
Messaggio originale di ragefifty50:
Messaggio originale di Tito Shivan:
No one is going to tell you that information. It's not the kind services publish freely. You don't know how many daily hijacks Facebook has, how many has Twitter... or your bank.

There's always way more people who simply loses their credentials than accounts stolen.

And even if we went for the worse possibility... Let's say all those requests belong to stolen accounts... 21K requests out of 32M daily users means only a 0.06% of the daily logged users would have had an unpleasant encounter.

You probably have way more chances to find a cheater in a match than to loose your account to a thief right now.



all true...

you can maximise and minimise everything... its a daily report....
daily... each day.. every day... 365 days a year....

but does it matter what the figures are considering steam have piled them together....

would it look bad if 2000 each day were being hijacked... or 1000 scammed....

500 phished... i say yes...

i say more can be done... but its not that customer security needs to be harder thats fine

and what about the forgotten...... all that work they are creating.... that needs
a focus group ....whos working on that... do valve have good accountants.... ...
Hacking numbers in the 1000s are peanuts in the cybersecurity world we are dealing with millions to billions of stolen accounts on weekly basis. None have been attributed to Valve, Steam in the past decade.

Here are some of the largest sets ever found
https://haveibeenpwned.com/PwnedWebsites

Career criminals are not really interested in gaming they are interested in creditcard information they are interested in having possibilities to deploy there malware bot and phishing sites not in someones counterstrike knife collection. The last verifiable large succesfull attack seen on Steam was November 11 2011
https://thehackernews.com/2011/11/possible-credit-card-theft-in-steam.html

And the last Proof of Concept (POC) of a potential of a large attack was on October 15 2012 https://revuln.com/files/ReVuln_Steam_Browser_Protocol_Insecurity.pdf


That does not mean that there can't be a attack but as of now we have 0 indication of it.
Honestly at this moment your data is safer at Steam than at your insurance company your cloud provider your healthcare provider or even your government. The sad truth is almost no one has not already been hacked indirectly and most will never ever know they are.
Ultima modifica da m662; 23 mag 2024, ore 15:59
Messaggio originale di m662:
Hacking numbers in the 1000s are peanuts in the cybersecurity world we are dealing with millions to billions of stolen accounts on weekly basis. None have been attributed to Valve, Steam in the past decade.

Here are some of the largest sets ever found
https://haveibeenpwned.com/PwnedWebsites

Career criminals are not really interested in gaming they are interested in creditcard information they are interested in having possibilities to deploy there malware bot and phishing sites not in someones counterstrike knife collection. The last verifiable large succesfull attack seen on Steam was November 11 2011
https://thehackernews.com/2011/11/possible-credit-card-theft-in-steam.html

And the last Proof of Concept (POC) of a potential of a large attack was on October 15 2012 https://revuln.com/files/ReVuln_Steam_Browser_Protocol_Insecurity.pdf


That does not mean that there can't be a attack but as of now we have 0 indication of it.
Honestly at this moment your data is safer at Steam than at your insurance company your cloud provider your healthcare provider or even your government. The sad truth is almost no one has not already been hacked indirectly and most will never ever know they are.

well thats great..... and things have and are being done to protect us from
all these security weaknesses in the big world as well... like i mentioned
in a previous post... i dont seem to get any scammer phone calls anymore...
and banks are being more accountable over here in aus.. we have adverts
now that tell us banks are using advanced metrics to stop you losing your stuff...

but my angle is more about protecting the steam customer from themselves...

its the major point that people always bring up in these steam discussions...

the steam customer is the problem... and the steam customer has gone to
a 3rd party site.... and the steam customer has been scammed by a person
saying they are from steam... and... and... and....

can more be done.... i say yes...
Messaggio originale di m662:
And the last Proof of Concept (POC) of a potential of a large attack was on October 15 2012 https://revuln.com/files/ReVuln_Steam_Browser_Protocol_Insecurity.pdf

This is a paper written to scare people, but there aren't any actual vulnerabilities in there. In order to exploit the first one, you would already need full access to the victim's computer. The second one doesn't work at all because Steam doesn't allow launching a game with custom command line arguments without user confirmation unless the game has explicitly told Steam that it's safe to do that.

The FAQ at the end of their paper points out that the vulnerabilities don't work because shortly after they published the paper the games that would have been affected by it were patched. Which could have been before they published the paper if they had practiced responsible disclosure[en.wikipedia.org].

In fact, Valve pays cash prizes to people who find exploits in Steam or their games and report them responsibly. Many companies do. https://hackerone.com/valve

I have interacted with that system from both sides, finding an XSS exploit in the admin version of the Steam Workshop[hackerone.com] and receiving a patch for my game's version of Source Engine because a bug was reported to Valve[secret.club].
Ultima modifica da Ben Lubar; 23 mag 2024, ore 16:33
Gaming is big money now, and steam is using outdated security. It was bound to happen.
Messaggio originale di D. Flame:
Gaming is big money now, and steam is using outdated security. It was bound to happen.

If there's an exploit that allows anyone to steal any Steam account, why haven't they done it? Why do only people who fall for scams get "hacked"? Why not someone with admin privileges?
Messaggio originale di D. Flame:
Gaming is big money now, and steam is using outdated security. It was bound to happen.
Sadly Valve can't force people to use common sense, and the users are the only weak point right now
Messaggio originale di Ben Lubar:
Messaggio originale di D. Flame:
Gaming is big money now, and steam is using outdated security. It was bound to happen.

If there's an exploit that allows anyone to steal any Steam account, why haven't they done it? Why do only people who fall for scams get "hacked"? Why not someone with admin privileges?
Because thieves go for low hanging fruit. Why go for the car locked in a vault surrounded by armed security, when you can just pretend to be a valet and get someone you hand you the keys to their still running car, and happily watch as you drive it away?

Proper security would protect you far being fooled. We have known that social engineering is a thing for decades now. That is why modern security is designed to mitigate and counter it, and that is why I say Steam's security is outdated.
Messaggio originale di Komarimaru:
Messaggio originale di D. Flame:
Gaming is big money now, and steam is using outdated security. It was bound to happen.
Sadly Valve can't force people to use common sense, and the users are the only weak point right now
But it can reduce the risk and impact of those with weak common sense.
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