Can't negatively discuss cyberpunk's DLC

[TapewormJim (TJ)]

Won't mention if this got a ban 'because can't discuss bans'. All I will say is that as a paying customer, you should be able to write the below about an expensive game.

That is all.

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I played the main Cyberpunk game back when it was first released. Frankly, it got me through Covid, despite the bugs and the naysaying. Great writing and superlatively bleak art.

I was looking forward to playing the Phantom Liberty DLC, but found it subpar in terms of writing, voice acting and overall artistic effort versus the main game.

The Songbird character in particular was weakly acted. The expository dialogue lacked any personality, was insipid and ‘try-hard’ cool. It read like like some kind of inane Hollywood-ised version of the grittier, punchier main narrative.

The triteness of the lines - including a cringe-inducing ‘amazeballs’ vomit from V - was echoed in the weak, linear and dumbed down level design.

At one early point in the story, an elevator gets stuck. Instead of being able to ‘hack’ the console to make it work (aka, slightly use your brain), you’re able to just bypass it via some cheap dialogue option.

I haven’t gotten to other characters beyond the stilidly acted and feeblly written Songbird. So can’t tell how much worse this might actually get.

Reading around, I see many others share the same opinion and have expressed that this is not the CD Projecky we know from TW3 and original Cyperpunk 2077. It’s a ‘new studio’ based in America.

This studio has no sense of tact, wit, nuance or restraint - we’re allowed to write that, because it’s just a customer’s subjective critique of a product.

The product, IMO, is of vastly inferior quality to the main game. The Songbird character is naff and cloyingly ‘super-powered’ (as if this magically makes her more interesting than she is).

Seems to be written by people who are talentless.

[Pierce Dalton]

Opprinnelig skrevet av how bout i do anyway:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Pierce Dalton:

To me it matters, yes, because you're saying that one criticism can be trolling/baiting while other isn't.

"Vibes"... right.

Any criticism can be used to bait arguments and start flame wars if phrased in the right way. That's what the "vibes" are about. If you've been around a forum long enough, you get a feel for when a person is being sincere and seeking a constructive dialog, and when they just want to argue and treat their own subjective opinion as objective fact.

And that's nothing more than a guess, except for cases in which the baiting is too obvious.

[TapewormJim (TJ)]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Wolfpig:

If he got banned from the hub it was most likely not just for that Review, but other Postings too which added up to that out one.

It was my first post on those forums

[TapewormJim (TJ)]

Opprinnelig skrevet av BJWyler:

You can.

No you can't. Like I said, it was my first post on those forums. There are no 'politics' in the content.

I was permanently banned by CD Projecky Red moderator for posting that.

I also cannot now write a review of the Phantom Liberty DLC. It keeps saying 'there was a problem posting your review', even if I just write a blank string.

As in ''

[TapewormJim (TJ)]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Pipe:

I wish that were true

Exactly, their game devs are able to perma-ban people for expressing any negativity of their games.

What's shocking is that this is an AAA studio that leans on effectively regular forum goers, with major chips on their shoulders, as their 'community police'.

[TapewormJim (TJ)]

Opprinnelig skrevet av 🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊:

The moderators for a game's forums have complete and ultimate control over their forums.

They do.

And neutral criticism of their badly written and very expensive DLC resulted in a perma-ban.

Yeah, they can do that.

Does it look good?

Does it sound healthy?

No.

Steam should have rules for moderators too. But they don't.

Community mods, especially for a large AAA game studio, should not be allowed to play god.

[Pipe]

Opprinnelig skrevet av TapewormJim (TJ):

It was my first post on those forums

Opprinnelig skrevet av TapewormJim (TJ):

I also cannot now write a review of the Phantom Liberty DLC

well holy crap. op coming in with the plot reveals

can't wait to see what you people have to say about the second quote lol

[TapewormJim (TJ)]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Pipe:

well holy crap. op coming in with the plot reveals

There was more narrative 'friction' in just stating some angry nobody from CP2077's 'community staff' banned a neutrally-phrased negative review versus the entire limp-as-all-hell DLC content.

Anyway, CD Projeckt Dead IMO.

I think we all know what happened re: the DLC.

Same reason Larian is now abandoning a cash-cow from a BG3 DLC.

*cough*

something

*cough*

can't express it clearly because

*cough*

[Amaterasu]

Opprinnelig skrevet av TapewormJim (TJ):

Opprinnelig skrevet av Pipe:

well holy crap. op coming in with the plot reveals

There was more narrative 'friction' in just stating some angry nobody from CP2077's 'community staff' banned a neutrally-phrased negative review versus the entire limp-as-all-hell DLC content.

Anyway, CD Projeckt Dead IMO.

I think we all know what happened re: the DLC.

Same reason Larian is now abandoning a cash-cow from a BG3 DLC.

*cough*

something

*cough*

can't express it clearly because

*cough*

Because why? You have a cold? I mean it's late season, but that's possible.

[TapewormJim (TJ)]

Opprinnelig skrevet av sungoddess14:

Because why? You have a cold? I mean it's late season, but that's possible.

Me: posts a neutral review (available to read in OP)

Also me: Can't express opinion as to why Larian is really ditching WOTC.

Poster: Why - too scared (or something)?

Me: *refers back to OP where a neutral critique of a clearly [redacted] game resulted in a perma-ban* = 'why'

[Pierce Dalton]

Opprinnelig skrevet av TapewormJim (TJ):

Opprinnelig skrevet av sungoddess14:

Because why? You have a cold? I mean it's late season, but that's possible.

Me: posts a neutral review (available to read in OP)

Also me: Can't express opinion as to why Larian is really ditching WOTC.

Poster: Why - too scared (or something)?

Me: *refers back to OP where a neutral critique of a clearly [redacted] game resulted in a perma-ban* = 'why'

Wait, so that was an actual review? Not a forum post?

[Princess Luna]

Opprinnelig skrevet av __++__==:

Another ♥♥♥♥ developer censoring consumers. When is it going to stop?

have people like tried not buying AAA game until 4th-5th patch? 90% of time Blzzard/Ubisost games are unplayable on start

[KalGimpa]

why do people think that they are owed a public place to complain,

especially by the company they are complaining about?

i do not even have to go into whether or not the complaint is valid

or the way it was delivered was reason

we are not owed a public platform to complain

there are plenty of places you can go and say whatever it is you want

not hosted by the company and that have a huge audience to hear your complaints

[Lystent]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Wolfpig:

...When was that not the case?...

Most I recall I've seen, would be when mods ban users for cheats and/or piracy, with an exception*. But I recall seeing many users for forums of a couple of games talk about mods who would ban critics for being critics.

In one instance, the reports came from long time users in the forum, talking about some since-removed mods. Granted, these people were salty with the devs. (And over time, I could see why.)

In the other, talking about a Discord channel, rather than on the game's Steam forum. The Steam forum itself was almost void of any activity from the devs or their mods, besides from putting up announcements on Steam. So people were able to talk about them being "ban-happy", to the point of memeship. Also there was an absence disagreement.

Might also be worth mentioning that one of the developments of the later instance introduced requiring users in their Discord to link their Steam.

*One time a game left EA, plenty of people were not happy; they felt the game was too underdeveloped to go gold. That is what they voiced, and there was a mod who accused them of spreading lies and banned them. Makes me wonder if some devs look for brand loyalty when appointing mods.

Basically, in the end, Steam is big, and that leaves enough room to find "crazy moderation".

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

Anyone else notice OP, or at least the current account he's on, doesn't own the game on Steam in the first place?

[Pierce Dalton]

Opprinnelig skrevet av KalCuey:

why do people think that they are owed a public place to complain,

That's what reviews are for, to either criticize or praise a game (or a dlc, in this case).