Since all of this SBİ things happening

[Gökyüzü]

I was wondering if gearbox is involved in this anyway. But i couldn't find any evidence.

But still after Borderlands pre-squel something changed with this company. I mean i dont even feel i need to explain what they have done with Borderlands 3, New tales and Tiny Tina's BB.

And the state of this game's story and lore is terrible. I feel like they must be involved with some DIE something similar to SBI but i cant find anything.

Does anybody have any information about this ?

[意味のない人生]

No information, just similar experience. I believe the Pre-Sequel was the beginning of the downward spiral. The writing has been atrociously bad since then.

[Gökyüzü]

Originally posted by UberNova津波:

No information, just similar experience. I believe the Pre-Sequel was the beginning of the downward spiral. The writing has been atrociously bad since then.

Pre Sequel was mostly okay if we dont consider Springs.
Its kind a terrifiying to think they are able to do this with out SBI like companys.

[Worldzworstgamer]

They are all about that crap.

https://www.gearboxsoftware.com/a-diverse-and-inclusive-workplace-at-gearbox/

[Start_Running]

Originally posted by Gökyüzü:

I was wondering if gearbox is involved in this anyway. But i couldn't find any evidence.

But still after Borderlands pre-squel something changed with this company. I mean i dont even feel i need to explain what they have done with Borderlands 3, New tales and Tiny Tina's BB.

And the state of this game's story and lore is terrible. I feel like they must be involved with some DIE something similar to SBI but i cant find anything.

Does anybody have any information about this ?

Maybe but I think in that case it's really just a matter of a bad game. Tiny Tina's is actually okay. As far as BL dlc goes. The problem is they took what was just meant to be a side dish to the main gaime, and made it a whole meal.

Think of it as trying tyo make fries amain course and you see what I mean.
And BLs as a franchaise kinda peaked at 2. Like many series.
PRe:S Was not that great. The weakest of the first 3 IMO. Bl1 can be forgiven for some of its short comings. It was the first and they needed some figuring iout. Bl2 Was when they refined one and nailed it. PRe:S they tried to basically makle 'another' game but didn't really have the material for it. The jokes were stale and some of the running gags were tired at this point.

[ReBoot]

Originally posted by Gökyüzü:

I was wondering if gearbox is involved in this anyway. But i couldn't find any evidence.

But still after Borderlands pre-squel something changed with this company. I mean i dont even feel i need to explain what they have done with Borderlands 3, New tales and Tiny Tina's BB.

And the state of this game's story and lore is terrible. I feel like they must be involved with some DIE something similar to SBI but i cant find anything.

Does anybody have any information about this ?

It is, in fact, very likely that you can't find any evidence of a connection because there's no connection.

[Gökyüzü]

Originally posted by ReBoot:

Originally posted by Gökyüzü:

I was wondering if gearbox is involved in this anyway. But i couldn't find any evidence.

But still after Borderlands pre-squel something changed with this company. I mean i dont even feel i need to explain what they have done with Borderlands 3, New tales and Tiny Tina's BB.

And the state of this game's story and lore is terrible. I feel like they must be involved with some DIE something similar to SBI but i cant find anything.

Does anybody have any information about this ?

It is, in fact, very likely that you can't find any evidence of a connection because there's no connection.

Well 2k is in the list of SBI's customer list thats all i got

[Haruspex]

SBI isn't the only consultancy firm offering these services. Companies also have an independent incentive to "go woke", for lack of a better term, thanks to the ESG score based investment funds they stand to benefit from.

ESG seems to be on the way out though. The recent high-profile failures we've seen were the product of peak ESG funding, but by around the middle of last year most investors have turned away from ESG, seeing it as "toxic" and politicized, and therefore a bad investment.

Ultimately, it all boils down to money. If ESG investment doesn't make a return, they'll dump it, and they are doing exactly that.

The most successful example of ESG funded games were successful not because of the shoehorned in diversity and inclusion, but in spite of it, and usually riding in the wake of a very popular and successful franchise. The worst examples were catastrophic failures.

Now the industry is adjusting. Layoffs across the board, and most of those who are falling victim to those layoffs are ESG hires brought on during the pandemic, hired for "diversity" reasons, not on merit. (By the way, hiring on the basic of race or sexual orientation is illegal anyway.)

So really SBI is not the bogeyman they're made out to be. They're a symptom of a bigger problem. They saw a need (ESG score improvement) and they tried to fill it, like true capitalists. It's just unfortunate for them that need seems to have been very short lived, and their days are very likely numbered. Businesses run on money, not tweets by Internet social justice warriors.

[Start_Running]

Originally posted by Haruspex:

SBI isn't the only consultancy firm offering these services. Companies also have an independent incentive to "go woke", for lack of a better term, thanks to the ESG score based investment funds they stand to benefit from.

ESG seems to be on the way out though. The recent high-profile failures we've seen were the product of peak ESG funding, but by around the middle of last year most investors have turned away from ESG, seeing it as "toxic" and politicized, and therefore a bad investment.

Ultimately, it all boils down to money. If ESG investment doesn't make a return, they'll dump it, and they are doing exactly that.

Pretty much.
I mean at the end ofb the day..you have to make good products that people actually want and like. It's why edutainment games, and religious games never really work out.

Originally posted by Haruspex:

The most successful example of ESG funded games were successful not because of the shoehorned in diversity and inclusion, but in spite of it, and usually riding in the wake of a very popular and successful franchise. The worst examples were catastrophic failures.

there are probably some examples of it where it made the game better. popeople generally only take notie of something when they perceive it as 'bad'. And since we never know what the original ideas were, its hard to know what was change, to what extentm, and whether or not the change was made in deference to the consulting agent or some other factor.

Peopl just be labelling design and narrative choice they dion't like as 'woke'.

Originally posted by Haruspex:

Now the industry is adjusting. Layoffs across the board, and most of those who are falling victim to those layoffs are ESG hires brought on during the pandemic, hired for "diversity" reasons, not on merit. (By the way, hiring on the basic of race or sexual orientation is illegal anyway.)

Yeah. they were hired and enough time has passed for their impact to be assessed. And for most.. yeah it didn't work out. Tokenism seldom works. I mean you can and do get genuinely talented and capable people being given a chance that they normnally would never have gotten...but still more olften than not you have people just hired to meet a quota.

Originally posted by Haruspex:

So really SBI is not the bogeyman they're made out to be. They're a symptom of a bigger problem. They saw a need (ESG score improvement) and they tried to fill it, like true capitalists. It's just unfortunate for them that need seems to have been very short lived, and their days are very likely numbered. Businesses run on money, not tweets by Internet social justice warriors.

The problem being that companies chase trends. Not unlike consumers.

[Gökyüzü]

Originally posted by eram:

Originally posted by GoDevils!:

They are all about that crap.

https://www.gearboxsoftware.com/a-diverse-and-inclusive-workplace-at-gearbox/

if you had randy pitchford as your boss you would want some help from well anyone

This is so true :D
Nice to see you dont speak nonesence once in a while

[Rin]

And trends are FOMO meaning you can usually make more money, like greenwashing, pet rocks, fidget spinners or even lead candy/cosmetics.

[Aachen]

As if the writing in the first or second Borderlands was somehow of a different caliber than later entries.

[Zarineth]

Originally posted by Aachen:

:homelol: As if the writing in the first or second Borderlands was somehow of a different caliber than later entries.

BL was never top tier if it comes to story, I can agree. But making main baddies literal tiktokers with close to no charisma was still a downgrade.
That being said, BL3 was still the best gameplay wise in the series.

[Rin]

BL is essentially a moshpit filled with 80s and 90s type of "funny" and the type of movies you had for those eras which usually went by the themes of dystopian and post-apocalyptic. You might as well call the BLs series Mad Max in space with capitalism. The Kowloon Walled City also spawned a slew of genres that has been mainstream ever since.

[Sigma957]

Originally posted by ReBoot:

Originally posted by Gökyüzü:

I was wondering if gearbox is involved in this anyway. But i couldn't find any evidence.

But still after Borderlands pre-squel something changed with this company. I mean i dont even feel i need to explain what they have done with Borderlands 3, New tales and Tiny Tina's BB.

And the state of this game's story and lore is terrible. I feel like they must be involved with some DIE something similar to SBI but i cant find anything.

Does anybody have any information about this ?

It is, in fact, very likely that you can't find any evidence of a connection because there's no connection.

Points you to GoDevils! post.

[hazydistance]

Borderlands has a long history with going woke, predating SBI as an entity. Why, I recall one writer (let's call him 'Anthony B.' to protect his identity) who was so ecstatic over Ms. Anita Sarkeesian Twittering something mildly approving of him that he promptly printed and framed said "tweet" and hung it on his wall, declaring it the bestest day ever.

Such is the state of the entertainment industry. Sometimes the Converts have already settled in, at other times it's gangs like SBI muscling in from the outside for a piece of the action.