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Derpknight94 20 MAR 2024 a las 21:03
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Does Steam Stand with SweetBabyInc?
Given the current issues with DEI/ESG/ADL and BlackRock funding racist/biggoted/sexist "Consultants", I want know if my money is going to such horrible people and I have a right to not give them business/money. So Valve, where do you stand?
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its great that we can all be diverse and all be equal and include everyone...

buy a game any game support steam support everyone support the industry....

its all neutral..... neutral... now thats the buzz word...
Mad Scientist 23 MAR 2024 a las 10:17 
Publicado originalmente por Aya:
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That's however more of a "trust me bro" kind of thing. People can e-mail a company asking for a meeting and then turn around and claim they're a "client". Valve is unlikely to make a statement one way or the other, so claiming them as a client is relatively easy, just like how people claim Valve sponsors or endorses 3rd party sales that they did not make.
https://sweetbabyinc.com/ scroll to the bottom because the web designer didn't bother to make hyperlinkable headers
Again, on their part it's more of a "trust me bro" because they can claim it easily. What exactly did they work on with Valve? Because I doubt they had anything to do with the Steam Deck.
The nameless Gamer 23 MAR 2024 a las 10:22 
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its great that we can all be diverse and all be equal and include everyone...

buy a game any game support steam support everyone support the industry....

its all neutral..... neutral... now thats the buzz word...

What point are you trying to make? Do you have a bone to pick with Shadowrun because it has Orcs, Trolls, Elves and Dwarves? Maybe you have something against the non-human races in Warhammer 40.000? What exactly do you find wrong with the variety of imaginary alien species in Mass Effect? What problem do you have with video game makers designing the characters the way they want?
Amaterasu 23 MAR 2024 a las 10:38 
Publicado originalmente por The nameless Commander:
Publicado originalmente por ragefifty50:
its great that we can all be diverse and all be equal and include everyone...

buy a game any game support steam support everyone support the industry....

its all neutral..... neutral... now thats the buzz word...

What point are you trying to make? Do you have a bone to pick with Shadowrun because it has Orcs, Trolls, Elves and Dwarves? Maybe you have something against the non-human races in Warhammer 40.000? What exactly do you find wrong with the variety of imaginary alien species in Mass Effect? What problem do you have with video game makers designing the characters the way they want?

As an aside, I have a problem with Warhammer 40k, but merely because it's a power scaler's wet dream.

Also, Elvish superiority in Shadowrun! Elves for life!
SKARDAVNELNATE 23 MAR 2024 a las 10:45 
Publicado originalmente por The nameless Commander:
I too pick games based on whether I like them or not, which is why I just can't fathom WHY people are bothered by characters being of a certain race/gender/sexuality. Why does it even matter? Not asking you personally, but whoever CAN provide some sort of answer is welcome to.
I'm reminded of a time when developers would announce that they were making changes so that their game would "appeal to a broader audience" Usually no one was happy with this decision.

For fans of the series that have been with it since the first or second game they didn't like the modern trends. They were happy being a niche audience for a quirky piece of media. Trying to integrate modern trends made the new installment less appealing to them.

For people that were into the modern trends they had plenty of titles that were practiced and innovating new things within that trend. They weren't going to pick up the fifth game in a series that so far had been nothing like what they were currently playing and will probably demonstrate a poor understand of the trends they now trying to follow.

Let's use broccoli as an example from here on.

At some point society started to "appeal to a broader audience". On one side you have people that are frustrated with constantly being reminded about broccoli. The existence of broccoli as a vegetable has nothing to do with anything else in the game. There is no reason to keep bringing it up. And the way that broccoli is being represented certainly isn't making them any more accepting or favorable toward broccoli.

On the other side you have people that ignore valid criticisms can exist. They think people just hate broccoli. Anyone who doesn't like broccoli must be a carnivore.

Then you have more people sitting down to eat that see what's going on and say: "I don't think they're carnivores. I have nothing against broccoli but I see their point that it doesn't need to be in everything. They must be a vegetarian extremists to call someone a carnivore just for that."

Then you have even more people sitting down to eat that see what's going on and say: "You're defending those carnivores! How can you not like broccoli?"

I don't know if this analogy is about representation in games anymore. It seems to have taken on a life of it's own.
The nameless Gamer 23 MAR 2024 a las 10:49 
Publicado originalmente por SKARDAVNELNATE:
Publicado originalmente por The nameless Commander:
I too pick games based on whether I like them or not, which is why I just can't fathom WHY people are bothered by characters being of a certain race/gender/sexuality. Why does it even matter? Not asking you personally, but whoever CAN provide some sort of answer is welcome to.
I'm reminded of a time when developers would announce that they were making changes so that their game would "appeal to a broader audience" Usually no one was happy with this decision.

For fans of the series that have been with it since the first or second game they didn't like the modern trends. They were happy being a niche audience for a quirky piece of media. Trying to integrate modern trends made the new installment less appealing to them.

For people that were into the modern trends they had plenty of titles that were practiced and innovating new things within that trend. They weren't going to pick up the fifth game in a series that so far had been nothing like what they were currently playing and will probably demonstrate a poor understand of the trends they now trying to follow.

Let's use broccoli as an example from here on.

At some point society started to "appeal to a broader audience". On one side you have people that are frustrated with constantly being reminded about broccoli. The existence of broccoli as a vegetable has nothing to do with anything else in the game. There is no reason to keep bringing it up. And the way that broccoli is being represented certainly isn't making them any more accepting or favorable toward broccoli.

On the other side you have people that ignore valid criticisms can exist. They think people just hate broccoli. Anyone who doesn't like broccoli must be a carnivore.

Then you have more people sitting down to eat that see what's going on and say: "I don't think they're carnivores. I have nothing against broccoli but I see their point that it doesn't need to be in everything. They must be a vegetarian extremists to call someone a carnivore just for that."

Then you have even more people sitting down to eat that see what's going on and say: "You're defending those carnivores! How can you not like broccoli?"

I don't know if this analogy is about representation in games anymore. It seems to have taken on a life of it's own.

You still can choose not to play those games. You'll always have people who won't understand your preferences. I am introverted metal-head and bookworm and constantly got asked by my highschool piers, way before "woke" became a thing: "How can you not enjoy partying down?" You can still choose to march to the beat of your own drum, even if it's not always easy. Don't like trends in mainstream games? Play niche, obscure games. You might discover something you never thought you'd like.
Última edición por The nameless Gamer; 23 MAR 2024 a las 10:49
SKARDAVNELNATE 23 MAR 2024 a las 11:05 
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Its not the REAL definition.
Yeah, more like a list of characteristics that were determined through observation of behavior. When someone criticizes something as woke this is the general sort of thing they are criticizing.

It's what people mean when they use the word. If you want to argue they're not using it right, remember that Webster's Diction made "literally" it's own antonym by updating it's meaning to match how people use it.

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You still can choose not to play those games. You'll always have people who won't understand your preferences.
Yes but as it becomes more pervasive in culture it becomes harder to avoid. Like if a new Legacy of Kain sequel comes out that reveals how Vorador was revived between Blood Omen 1 and Blood Omen 2 and also resolves the paradox of there are now two iterations of Raziel's soul that exist as wraith blades in a really interesting way, I would really want to play that. But if that were made today I would have the concern that the un-guillotine-ing would result in a same-sex romance between the characters.
The nameless Gamer 23 MAR 2024 a las 11:13 
Publicado originalmente por SKARDAVNELNATE:
Publicado originalmente por Caduryn:
Its not the REAL definition.
Yeah, more like a list of characteristics that were determined through observation of behavior. When someone criticizes something as woke this is the general sort of thing they are criticizing.

It's what people mean when they use the word. If you want to argue they're not using it right, remember that Webster's Diction made "literally" it's own antonym by updating it's meaning to match how people use it.

Publicado originalmente por The nameless Commander:
You still can choose not to play those games. You'll always have people who won't understand your preferences.
Yes but as it becomes more pervasive in culture it becomes harder to avoid. Like if a new Legacy of Kain sequel comes out that reveals how Vorador was revived between Blood Omen 1 and Blood Omen 2 and also resolves the paradox of there are now two iterations of Raziel's soul that exist as wraith blades in a really interesting way, I would really want to play that. But if that were made today I would have the concern that the un-guillotine-ing would result in a same-sex romance between the characters.

Well, for that, there's an Ancient Persian proverb: "That too shall pass." It's a fad now, it'll go away.
Kristallon13 23 MAR 2024 a las 11:20 
Valve is smart. They're the biggest in the business, and they've seen what happens to games that try to push politics. If they were on SBI's side, the curator list would have been shut down long ago. Not that it would stop us, but it would be inconvenient.

My guess is that they're trying to avoid the fight as best they can so that they don't end up taking flak from either side.
Start_Running 23 MAR 2024 a las 12:26 
Publicado originalmente por The nameless Commander:
Publicado originalmente por Start_Running:

Neother hand is clewn in this afffair. Each one feeds the other in a glorious cycle of drama. IT's why the term 'Gamer gate' keeps popping up .

Me. I just go by. If I like the game, great. If I don't like the game. I refund and recalibrate my purchase decision making process. This whiole thing got started over the Suicide Squad game, and I can honestly say that looking at it.. it doesn't look that bad. Actually looks quite fun, for what it is. A live service grindathon. But its not like it was shy about mentioning that.

But it'll probably be dead before it dips intae my price range.

It's a game wghere you get to cap batman in the pointy eared bonz. And there's something so poetic about that.

I too pick games based on whether I like them or not, which is why I just can't fathom WHY people are bothered by characters being of a certain race/gender/sexuality. Why does it even matter? Not asking you personally, but whoever CAN provide some sort of answer is welcome to.
I mean. If it bothers you.. don't buy it. That is lofgical and hionestly reasonable. Which is why it also baffles me. There's an ugly chick with a weirdly pronounced jawline as the protagonist...SKIP...Crab faced alien, wity knives for hands and guins for eyes... SOLD!

I m,ean at this point I've played as just about everything underthe sun.

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Publicado originalmente por Start_Running:
Neother hand is clewn in this afffair. Each one feeds the other in a glorious cycle of drama. IT's why the term 'Gamer gate' keeps popping up .

Me. I just go by. If I like the game, great. If I don't like the game. I refund and recalibrate my purchase decision making process. This whiole thing got started over the Suicide Squad game...
Actually, the whole thing started soon after a Steam user made a list of games that had involvement with The Baby. But he wasn't the start of GG2. One of Sweet Baby's own employees tried to get the user banned because he made a list, and THEN crap hit the fan. Of course, the journalists right now are trying to gaslight people into thinking that the Steam user started a harassment campaign, but he's actually trying very hard to stop the harassment currently at play.

That being said, I agree with you "going by". My computer physically can't run high-definition games, so I just play older games like the original Halo or pixellated indie games like Dead Cells. They are pretty clean so far. However, I would like to mention that some indie studios can be corrupted by the Baby. Just look at Heart Machine...
You use the word corrupted. UII mean couldn'ty you just say they made a bad game?
This is what i'm talking about. And yeat the list is kinda sus in my opinion. I mean it smacks of dog whistling to me. If you didn't know sbi was involved in those games why would it matter they were?

On the other hand some people might use that as a guide for game sto wishlist. Which is why its a complete non-issue. That's really only blown yup because youtubers just love to expolioit the latest drama for the views and ad0revenue.

This is something that would have just flown under the radar and no one would have given a darn. IUt's not like Valve was ever gonna take action against the list.
Crazy Tiger 23 MAR 2024 a las 12:49 
Publicado originalmente por Kristallon13:
My guess is that they're trying to avoid the fight as best they can so that they don't end up taking flak from either side.
Agreed. Though ultimately they'll get flak anyway. The tallest trees catch the most wind, as they say.
Dr.Shadowds 🐉 23 MAR 2024 a las 12:59 
I just drop this here, if Steam did they be censoring everyone related that talks bad about SBI, and kicking people, and games that doesn't align with SBI point of view, so yeah I don't think Steam stands with SBI, but they don't have to pick a side either as they're a store, not a debate center.
Uber 23 MAR 2024 a las 13:17 
i appreciate the curators list, i now know which games to stay away from, only have one of them, valhalla, which i bought months ago before this particular topic became relevant. regardless knew something was wrong with it from the first time i played it, something was just off.
Amaterasu 23 MAR 2024 a las 16:52 
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i appreciate the curators list, i now know which games to stay away from, only have one of them, valhalla, which i bought months ago before this particular topic became relevant. regardless knew something was wrong with it from the first time i played it, something was just off.

Other than the fact that it's Overly Grindy Open World Ubisoft Game Designed to Squeeze People for Their Money to Bypass the Grind with Poorly Written Story #495? That's not the problem? It's that SBI is behind it. Suddenly, that's the problem and if it wasn't involved, Valhalla would be a brilliant game, right?
Glenn / Vexy 23 MAR 2024 a las 18:42 
Well, Steam is here to earn money. They know what happen to woke games now. They wont sell, due we have like 1 million gamers on steam, spreading the word. Then gamers vote with there wallets. Why do you think Disney flops over and over at the box office? Same thing. People get the word and vote with here wallets there to. Its a dead end.. Steam is losing money on it, devs and studios lostng money. Many lost there jobs and did go bankrupt due to it. They will be shut down. YouTube and X is an wildfire right now to stop it. People had enough. So the studios wanting to go broke, sure. Go ahead, but they are warned. The audience is not there either..

Sad part about this is all the projects that is up now.. Those are dead projects if they are doing the woke stuff in it. Devs and workers are also reaching out to media, and tell what upcoming games that has DEI in it. Even they dont want it.

Not to weird either, when they are blackmailed into it. First part is if they dont put the lunatics to work on it, they will send the cancle mob after them. Then bad press, like they did before. Then also threaten em with losing money if not. This is so wrong on many sides. we also know about the DEI money that studios get for this. So we know who has the hands in the cookie jar right now. Its public info. Its a money exploit.. Ofc, put some DEI in there and they get funded for it. Well.. That money gone sour, when people will not buy the products after.

Fire em all.. Gamers got your back if you are in a corner from this people by spreading the word. So its safe to come out. This is just on steam. You should look at YouTube and X.. I belive there are close to 10 million people spreading the news dailie. Journalists spreading the words with 2-8 videos a day. Its a new web of information. IF they send cancle mob towards a studio, gamers will defend, if the studio is clean from it. We have done it so long now.. 9 years, has it been. But people start to understand the problem now. You can feel it in games and movies. Its something has sucked the life out of it.
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