Valve ordered to refund $15k to CS:GO player as cases ruled ‘illegal’ in Austria

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https://www.dexerto.com/counter-strike-2/valve-ordered-to-refund-15k-to-csgo-player-as-cases-ruled-illegal-in-austria-2437525/

Valve must pay back €14,096.58 ($15,426.73) to a CS:GO player who spent the money opening cases after a court in Austria ruled that Counter-Strike cases constituted illegal gambling in the country. Valve can choose to appeal the decision.

Gambling is evil, steam also broke Austrian law

[MonkehMaster]

bidulless eredeti hozzászólása:

hello

funny as there is something againrs steam , nearly the whole gang is rulling here , 3 or 4 are still missing but we got most of them xd

This kind of predatory business should be regulated in the whole EU , and same for the rest of the world and stopped...

yep, gambling and predatory money grubbing features need to be regulated, im tired of games focusing on snagging as much money from every customer as possible, they cant even be bothered making decent games anymore, nothing but broken buggy games with cash shops, gambling and everything else under the sun to beg for cash from your pocket.

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

bidulless eredeti hozzászólása:

hello

funny as there is something againrs steam , nearly the whole gang is rulling here , 3 or 4 are still missing but we got most of them xd

This kind of predatory business should be regulated in the whole EU , and same for the rest of the world and stopped...

Parts of the EU can't even regulate itself, just look at what Brexit did.

[Brian9824]

MonkehMaster eredeti hozzászólása:

if water itself is regulated, then consumption itself is regulated as a result.

No it isn't. Water QUALITY is regulated, but consumption isn't. hence why i can walk up to one of the many water fountains to drink as much as I want despite the fact that too much water is bad for you.

Or why i can drink as much water as I want without having to explain if i used an extra 10 gallons of water this month.


Again you keep ignoring the point. Too much of nearly anything is bad. That doesn't mean using it in appropriate amounts is bad. Red meat, salt, tv, sex, alcohol, cough medicine, pain meds, clothing, caffeine, etc.

Any of those and countless others are all perfectly healthy to consume, but can be bad in excess and harm your body and mind.

[Start_Running]

xBCxRangers eredeti hozzászólása:

Heretic eredeti hozzászólása:

Youngsters mean young people, and if you disagree with that then take me to court. I have the definition in front of me. The courts ruled AGAINST Valve, whilst Valve's fanboys support the exploitation of youngsters who were silly enough to fall into a trap. The idea that Valve could make 15k out of one Steam user who opened some lootboxes demonstrates how low they will go. It's unethical and the courts clearly agreed on that.

The poster you are conversing with has been told on countless occasions, to stay away from these topics for which he has, zero knowledge, and has been wrong on as many countless occasions in the past, on these legalese topics.

You are wasting your time.

To the OP, it's interesting in how someone can lose 15k, but someone say on Win 7, that in all those years is plausible can lose more than that after the shutdown (if that ever comes), would have no case. I submit, there may be just that.

Because in this case the issue uis not the amount. It's that Valve didn't have the appropriate license to do a 'gambling'.


The Win7 issue, is just a matter of the use being responsible for maintaining a machine caoavble of using the service., Or to put it another way. You cable company doesn't care whether or not all the TV's in your house broke and you were unable to watch cable that month...you still gonna get the same bill.


People really need to take the time to actually read the articles and learn stuff. If Valve had the appropriate license then this fellow wouldn't have gotten a thing.

[Tito Shivan]

Majestically Awkward eredeti hozzászólása:

most people can't spend 1k on steam without getting some kinda system lock out identified as compromised account, id like to know how someone spent 15k on steam.

As far as I've read we don't know the time interval in which those 15k were spent.

Majestically Awkward eredeti hozzászólása:

i think you all misunderstood, I did not mean 1000 over the course of a year, i ment making a 1000 dollar purchase at once, such as someone trying to buy 1000 dollars worth of skin grab cases would trigger a systematic lock out.

It's really going to depend. Fraud detection doesn't really works solely with amounts,it usually works on multiple factors. If I had to guess, the user looks like a heavy spender, so both the store and the payment processors probably had a history of valid transactions. And again we don't know (Or I missed it) for how long it took to reach that expense.

[MonkehMaster]

brian9824 eredeti hozzászólása:

MonkehMaster eredeti hozzászólása:

if water itself is regulated, then consumption itself is regulated as a result.

No it isn't. Water QUALITY is regulated, but consumption isn't. hence why i can walk up to one of the many water fountains to drink as much as I want despite the fact that too much water is bad for you.

Or why i can drink as much water as I want without having to explain if i used an extra 10 gallons of water this month.


Again you keep ignoring the point. Too much of nearly anything is bad. That doesn't mean using it in appropriate amounts is bad. Red meat, salt, tv, sex, alcohol, cough medicine, pain meds, clothing, caffeine, etc.

Any of those and countless others are all perfectly healthy to consume, but can be bad in excess and harm your body and mind.

quality, amount and much more are regulated and they make your pay for it, quality water is sold in bottles, tap water is at the bare min in quality and sold for cheaper and is cleaned and resold to you.

some places regulate the amount of water used, for instance in areas were drought, fires, ect.. cause immediate water supply to drop drastically or worse.

as mentioned some places also ban the use of water collection (collection of it in general), instead forcing you to buy it from them.

sorry to tell ya, but w/e you got going on in the EU isnt whats going on in the rest of the world, but also, the EU does regulate their water and it isnt just for the "quality", you might want to read up a bit before making more false claims.

btw, dont look up what is "cleaned" from your drinking water.... you would be surprised at the stuff that ends up in the water they are selling you lol..... in the end you are paying to drink, bathe, ect... in everyones sewage and drainage water in your near area.

[Brian9824]

MonkehMaster eredeti hozzászólása:

yes, gambling is just as bad as any other addiction, it can cause loss of much in your life, can cause mental and physical health issues, among many other things.

Thank you for finally confirming that Gambling itself does not harm your body and mind. An addiction is what can harm your body and mind and you can be addicted to nearly anything.

That wasn't so hard.

[MonkehMaster]

brian9824 eredeti hozzászólása:

MonkehMaster eredeti hozzászólása:

yes, gambling is just as bad as any other addiction, it can cause loss of much in your life, can cause mental and physical health issues, among many other things.

Thank you for finally confirming that Gambling itself does not harm your body and mind. An addiction is what can harm your body and mind and you can be addicted to nearly anything.

That wasn't so hard.

sorry, thats not how it works, but nice to see you trivialize mental and physical health issues, as well as addictions... as nothing, not surprising, i seen that coming from a mile away lol.

nothing was confirmed for you besides what you believe and confirm in your own head.

[Pierce Dalton]

brian9824 eredeti hozzászólása:

MonkehMaster eredeti hozzászólása:

yes, gambling is just as bad as any other addiction, it can cause loss of much in your life, can cause mental and physical health issues, among many other things.

Thank you for finally confirming that Gambling itself does not harm your body and mind. An addiction is what can harm your body and mind and you can be addicted to nearly anything.

That wasn't so hard.

Not all things are designed to cause an addiction, though. And lootboxes definitely are designed with this intent in mind: didn't get what you want? Well, how about you try one more time?

And another, and another...

[Brian9824]

MonkehMaster eredeti hozzászólása:

brian9824 eredeti hozzászólása:

Thank you for finally confirming that Gambling itself does not harm your body and mind. An addiction is what can harm your body and mind and you can be addicted to nearly anything.

That wasn't so hard.

sorry, thats not how it works, but nice to see you trivialize mental and physical health issues as nothing, not surprising, i seen that coming from a mile away lol.

That is indeed how it works. If i play a poker game with my friends it doesn't hurt my body or mind, if anything its actually BENEFICIAL to mental health. Just like having a beer after work while watching a sports game can be a perfectly healthy way to relax and unwind

Its the addiction that can occur with gambling and with almost anything that causes detrimental effects.

Its not surprising however that people try to attack something that in of itself is harmless rather then take personal accountability. The devil made me do it defense is easier then admitting your own faults.

[MonkehMaster]

brian9824 eredeti hozzászólása:

MonkehMaster eredeti hozzászólása:

sorry, thats not how it works, but nice to see you trivialize mental and physical health issues as nothing, not surprising, i seen that coming from a mile away lol.

That is indeed how it works. If i play a poker game with my friends it doesn't hurt my body or mind, if anything its actually BENEFICIAL to mental health. Just like having a beer after work while watching a sports game can be a perfectly healthy way to relax and unwind

Its the addiction that can occur with gambling and with almost anything that causes detrimental effects.

Its not surprising however that people try to attack something that in of itself is harmless rather then take personal accountability. The devil made me do it defense is easier then admitting your own faults.

im sorry, but you are proving right here, you have no clue how addiction works, nor how a gambling addiction works.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/compulsive-gambling/symptoms-causes/syc-20355178

addiction in general, gambling and the addiction that forms, can and will harm your body and mind, thats a fact.

[Pierce Dalton]

brian9824 eredeti hozzászólása:

MonkehMaster eredeti hozzászólása:

sorry, thats not how it works, but nice to see you trivialize mental and physical health issues as nothing, not surprising, i seen that coming from a mile away lol.

That is indeed how it works. If i play a poker game with my friends it doesn't hurt my body or mind, if anything its actually BENEFICIAL to mental health. Just like having a beer after work while watching a sports game can be a perfectly healthy way to relax and unwind

Its the addiction that can occur with gambling and with almost anything that causes detrimental effects.

Its not surprising however that people try to attack something that in of itself is harmless rather then take personal accountability. The devil made me do it defense is easier then admitting your own faults.

The devil never forces people to do anything, he only tempts them.

[MonkehMaster]

Heretic eredeti hozzászólása:

MonkehMaster eredeti hozzászólása:

sorry i didnt address the nonsense i read, if it bothers you then thats a you issue.

yes, gambling is just as bad as any other addiction, it can cause loss of much in your life (which includes your actual life), can cause mental and physical health issues, among many other things.

Valve and its supporters obviously disregard how serious it is.

yep clearly, as evident by the clear dismissal and trivialization of addiction and gambling in general, with others making wildly outlandish false claims on the topic.

[Pierce Dalton]

MonkehMaster eredeti hozzászólása:

brian9824 eredeti hozzászólása:

That is indeed how it works. If i play a poker game with my friends it doesn't hurt my body or mind, if anything its actually BENEFICIAL to mental health. Just like having a beer after work while watching a sports game can be a perfectly healthy way to relax and unwind

Its the addiction that can occur with gambling and with almost anything that causes detrimental effects.

Its not surprising however that people try to attack something that in of itself is harmless rather then take personal accountability. The devil made me do it defense is easier then admitting your own faults.

im sorry, but you are proving right here, you have no clue how addiction works, nor how a gambling addiction works.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/compulsive-gambling/symptoms-causes/syc-20355178

addiction in general, gambling and the addiction that forms, can and will harm your body and mind, thats a fact.

More importantly, the addiction would never exist to begin with if the individual didn't have contact with the object of addiction. It is the offer that produces addicts.

[MonkehMaster]

Pierce Dalton eredeti hozzászólása:

MonkehMaster eredeti hozzászólása:

im sorry, but you are proving right here, you have no clue how addiction works, nor how a gambling addiction works.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/compulsive-gambling/symptoms-causes/syc-20355178

addiction in general, gambling and the addiction that forms, can and will harm your body and mind, thats a fact.

More importantly, the addiction would never exist to begin with if the individual didn't have contact with the object of addiction. It is the offer that produces addicts.

100% correct, thats why gambling is one of the most exploited addictions in the world and has only ballooned through the years.

as well as why so many want and do crack down on regulating and stopping that exploitation.

also to note, addiction itself is different from one to another, some are more susceptible and some not so much, has a lot to do with their brain (but thats quite an in-depth topic), for some its uncontrollable, while others can control it, or some may not even have issues with any addition at all.

edit: that being said, some of the stuff the people here are stating is just, wildly odd and some clearly fishing... and others simply making stuff up as they go, along with word games.