Valve ordered to refund $15k to CS:GO player as cases ruled ‘illegal’ in Austria

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https://www.dexerto.com/counter-strike-2/valve-ordered-to-refund-15k-to-csgo-player-as-cases-ruled-illegal-in-austria-2437525/

Valve must pay back €14,096.58 ($15,426.73) to a CS:GO player who spent the money opening cases after a court in Austria ruled that Counter-Strike cases constituted illegal gambling in the country. Valve can choose to appeal the decision.

Gambling is evil, steam also broke Austrian law

[Tito Shivan]

引用自 Leonardo Da Pinchi：

Almost as if, if parents were a bit more savvy with what their kids do on the internet, and don't keep payment methods easily stored on the PC after a purchase. A lot of this could be, well, resolved.

A lot of the kids who played on the 80-90s are now the parents of the kids playing today.

[xBCxRangers]

Ah, and so Mr Newell's Valve, sued again. They were told. Stay tuned. More to Come.

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

引用自 Tito Shivan：

引用自 Leonardo Da Pinchi：

Almost as if, if parents were a bit more savvy with what their kids do on the internet, and don't keep payment methods easily stored on the PC after a purchase. A lot of this could be, well, resolved.

A lot of the kids who played on the 80-90s are now the parents of the kids playing today.

Yup, as an older millennial I see it. Still on the parents to be aware of what their kids do online.

However, strict parents also end up raising sneaky kids. It's a balance. Just easier to blame the company for most.

[AlexTheRedScout]

引用自 __++__==：

引用自 Lily McFluffy Butt：

This is not the win you think it is. Basically someone with poor impulse control decided he'd rather sue than accept the consequences of his own actions. And the courts actually took him seriously.

You mean children?
Are you justifying predatory business practices against children?

You know who has poor impusle control? These developers making lootboxes and in game gambling mechanisms, that's who

lol this guy seriously this the parents fault there should't be children on counter strike to begin with

[xBCxRangers]

引用自 SlowMango：

引用自 WolfEisberg：

Nope, it's also a Valve problem. They need to do what Casinos do, actively make sure kids under 21 are not gambling. For online, that means getting age verification like uploading a government ID for Valve to check.

Valve is directly responsible for turning children into gambling addicts, and it's easily hidden from parents because parents just see Steam as a store for buying games and see no issue with giving their kids a steam gift card to buy games. It's a part of the reason why it's so predatory because it's easily hidden behind a good face of being a store.

Not only is that completely asinine, it is also illegal in most places to have a private company handle and store that information.

You were told. As Brian and others were.

As our other forum attorney's were, on countless occasions.

These companies are going to be held to account. Overseas, here, it's all gonna happen. We can blame parents all we want.

[fluxtorrent]

引用自 AlexTheRedScout：

引用自 __++__==：

You mean children?
Are you justifying predatory business practices against children?

You know who has poor impusle control? These developers making lootboxes and in game gambling mechanisms, that's who

lol this guy seriously this the parents fault there should't be children on counter strike to begin with

Funny how it was an adult that wasted 15k, but he still tries to "think of the children"

[xBCxRangers]

引用自 fluxtorrent：

引用自 AlexTheRedScout：

lol this guy seriously this the parents fault there should't be children on counter strike to begin with

Funny how it was an adult that wasted 15k, but he still tries to "think of the children"

It's always "about the children", and always was. Next step, raising ages for access to Steam. I went on Amazon to get cold and flu stuff.

I needed to provide my drivers license #, even though they have my payment method.

Be it Xbox being sued in regards to "about the children", Mr Newell has a lot of work to do. Raising age of use, is a start. 13 is not gonna cut it at all, and providing ID before entering certain game hubs, or games, or chats, are going to need proof.

And as far as moderation, at least 21. Can't have kids not old enough to buy a beer, monitoring game hubs and business practice.

[Qbert ⭐]

Oh look, almost the whole regular gang is here by now

[Orogogus]

引用自 WolfEisberg：

引用自 Spawn of Totoro：

Yep, that is about how it will turn out. There needs to be some proof, beyond the words of the company, that the account was verified. If ALL the information was deleted, then a company could just claim it was verified, but wouldn't have proof of it in court.

They can keep proof that verification happened, without keeping the private data.

That doesn't seem enormously robust. In cases where minors are able to slip through, how would you determine if the verification process was at fault?

And how would Valve verify age? If it's based on government-issued ID, do they have to link up with all 195 national governments to access their databases? I'm looking at the wikipedia page for age verification systems, relevant largely to porn, and I don't know... there are lots of laws, but most of the actual methods seem to suck. If I make an account and say I'm from Laos or Uganda, then Photoshop up an ID, maybe turn on a VPN, it seems like any preventive measures would have to be absurdly intrusive to stop me.

The most probable outcome, I'd think, would be that third party companies would set up purporting to handle age verification. There will probably be some kind of certification -- there's an ISO standard in progress, ISO/IEC PWI 7732, but it looks like it's been going nowhere for 5 years -- but at the end of the day it's probably still going to suck.

[Brian9824]

引用自 xBCxRangers：

These companies are going to be held to account. Overseas, here, it's all gonna happen. We can blame parents all we want.

No one ever claimed companies aren't going to be sued, any major company will be. They aren't even being fined in this case, its simply a dispute over how lootboxes are perceived and they will adjust.

引用自 xBCxRangers：

引用自 fluxtorrent：

Funny how it was an adult that wasted 15k, but he still tries to "think of the children"

It's always "about the children", and always was. Next step, raising ages for access to Steam. I went on Amazon to get cold and flu stuff.

I needed to provide my drivers license #, even though they have my payment method.

Be it Xbox being sued in regards to "about the children", Mr Newell has a lot of work to do. Raising age of use, is a start. 13 is not gonna cut it at all, and providing ID before entering certain game hubs, or games, or chats, are going to need proof.

And as far as moderation, at least 21. Can't have kids not old enough to buy a beer, monitoring game hubs and business practice.

Except its literally nothing to do with the children. The age has nothing to do with this. Austria is simply treating loot boxes as gambling and requiring a license. So steam either gets the license or tweaks the lootboxes like they did for France so they do the exact same thing but aren't "gambling".

[Boblin the Goblin]

引用自 xBCxRangers：

引用自 fluxtorrent：

Funny how it was an adult that wasted 15k, but he still tries to "think of the children"

It's always "about the children", and always was. Next step, raising ages for access to Steam. I went on Amazon to get cold and flu stuff.

I needed to provide my drivers license #, even though they have my payment method.

Be it Xbox being sued in regards to "about the children", Mr Newell has a lot of work to do. Raising age of use, is a start. 13 is not gonna cut it at all, and providing ID before entering certain game hubs, or games, or chats, are going to need proof.

And as far as moderation, at least 21. Can't have kids not old enough to buy a beer, monitoring game hubs and business practice.

Medication is very different than videos games.

As you've been told and shown multiple times, the Xbox lawsuit from the FTC isn't applicable here since Steam doesn't store that information. You were also shown the FTC website explaining COPPA and how it is 100% legal for someone 13+ to make an online account.

But, as we've learned, facts are useless against "common sense".

[Boblin the Goblin]

引用自 brian9824：

引用自 xBCxRangers：

These companies are going to be held to account. Overseas, here, it's all gonna happen. We can blame parents all we want.

No one ever claimed companies aren't going to be sued, any major company will be. They aren't even being fined in this case, its simply a dispute over how lootboxes are perceived and they will adjust.

引用自 xBCxRangers：

It's always "about the children", and always was. Next step, raising ages for access to Steam. I went on Amazon to get cold and flu stuff.

I needed to provide my drivers license #, even though they have my payment method.

Be it Xbox being sued in regards to "about the children", Mr Newell has a lot of work to do. Raising age of use, is a start. 13 is not gonna cut it at all, and providing ID before entering certain game hubs, or games, or chats, are going to need proof.

And as far as moderation, at least 21. Can't have kids not old enough to buy a beer, monitoring game hubs and business practice.

Except its literally nothing to do with the children. The age has nothing to do with this. Austria is simply treating loot boxes as gambling and requiring a license. So steam either gets the license or tweaks the lootboxes like they did for France so they do the exact same thing but aren't "gambling".

You know, maybe there is a chat or problem. After all, chatbots are known to repeat information and never correct it. As well as state information that isn't relevant to the conversation.

Interesting.

[Brian9824]

引用自 SlowMango：

引用自 xBCxRangers：

It's always "about the children", and always was. Next step, raising ages for access to Steam. I went on Amazon to get cold and flu stuff.

I needed to provide my drivers license #, even though they have my payment method.

Be it Xbox being sued in regards to "about the children", Mr Newell has a lot of work to do. Raising age of use, is a start. 13 is not gonna cut it at all, and providing ID before entering certain game hubs, or games, or chats, are going to need proof.

And as far as moderation, at least 21. Can't have kids not old enough to buy a beer, monitoring game hubs and business practice.

Medication is very different than videos games.

As you've been told and shown multiple times, the Xbox lawsuit from the FTC isn't applicable here since Steam doesn't store that information. You were also shown the FTC website explaining COPPA and how it is 100% legal for someone 13+ to make an online account.

But, as we've learned, facts are useless against "common sense".

Also for cold medicine they check drivers id because that is how the government tracks unusual purchases. Their database doesnt work off credit cards, it can be used to make illegal drugs so its slighlty more regulated just like fertilizer is vs a video game...

[Boblin the Goblin]

引用自 brian9824：

引用自 SlowMango：

Medication is very different than videos games.

As you've been told and shown multiple times, the Xbox lawsuit from the FTC isn't applicable here since Steam doesn't store that information. You were also shown the FTC website explaining COPPA and how it is 100% legal for someone 13+ to make an online account.

But, as we've learned, facts are useless against "common sense".

Also for cold medicine they check drivers id because that is how the government tracks unusual purchases. Their database doesnt work off credit cards, it can be used to make illegal drugs so its slighlty more regulated just like fertilizer is vs a video game...

As far as I'm concern, all law enforcement is informed about such information.

But I digress.

[xBCxRangers]

These posters above, ended up absolutely wrong, even on a conversation just last week on this matter. I and others are tired of being right, and listening to the backpedalling.

Therefore, i think it's time to stop listing to forum attorneys who's only expertise is seemingly fixing computers, and realize the obvious. Anyone can sue, and Valve can, has and will be beaten.

And when it comes to these issues, gambling, children, safety, extremism, violence and the rest, Mr Newell better get it together, soon. Or he will be the next testifying with mask on face, before Congress. That is a certainty.