There should always be a Win7 Thread

[Nosteru]

I love my Win7 System and Im glad Steam not killed it yet, just abandoned. What Win7 Users are used to it.
That we now know, based on some beta tester the next update also will not brick the client for us.
What do you think when will be our Death Sentence?
Share your thoughts.

[Nosteru]

Originally posted by 🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊:

Except of course for the long list of multiple programs that do not, can not, and never will run on Windows 7 because the developers dropped support for that OS for those programs. And more companies are expanding almost every day to drop more programs for Win7.

Even you are right in those points you still can not accept or understand that Win7 can provide what need for some of us. It work for everything I need. Also I can easiely ignore some programs what need Win10 or I can search/get alternative programs what can do the job for me.

[🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊]

Originally posted by Nosteru:

Even you are right in those points you still can not accept or understand that Win7 can provide what need for some of us. It work for everything I need. Also I can easiely ignore some programs what need Win10 or I can search/get alternative programs what can do the job for me.

I do understand that you are happy with it. And that's great, for you. Unfortunately that is just you. Some people out there may actually need or want to use those programs that are discontinued for Windows 7 and they can't use it. So just because it works great for you does not mean that it is a good solution for everyone.

Personally I think it is a bad idea to either promote or suggest openly in public that other people (who are not you) either continue using Windows 7 or try to make it work as in general it's not going to always be a great fit for everyone.

It's not that I'm "anti windows 7" or against it. It's great for you and some people may find it works great for them. More power to them as long as they are happy. But what I am against is suggesting Windows 7 is a good choice for *EVERYONE*. It's not, unfortunately.

The only way to have access to all programs we could ever want to use with no risk of anything ending support or not working (at least in the next several years) is to use Windows 10 or Windows 11 at the moment. Linux isn't even a great alternative as quite a lot of windows programs people are used to don't work in Linux and can't be made to work in Linux. Many games also fall under the same thing: Quite a lot of games don't work and will never work in Linux.

Yes there are alternative programs in Linux that may function similarly to common Windows programs but not exactly the same. Also yes I know there are compatibility layers and all sorts of things to try to get Windows games working on Linux. Unfortunately there are some games that both do not work on Linux today and will never work on Linux. With Linux it is "hit or miss" if we are able to play the game that we want to play.

With Windows 10 and Windows 11 we can play any game that we want to and it should (most of the time) always work with very little fuss or effort. I have tried playing well over 1500 - 1600 different games (Even old games designed for Windows 98, and 16-bit games designed for Windows 3.11) and all of them (so far) all work in Windows 11. I have not yet found any game that doesn't work in Windows 11 actually.

[Nosteru]

Originally posted by 🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊:

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Well no one advertised the Win7 here. We just share our experience. Those who decided to stick on Win7 can learn from eachother.

With Steam Deck Valve very actively working on the way to games will be available on Linux. I think this started something what other similar company might follow. Also this way might other programs get support. I realy sense that Linux growing exponentialy.
Linux is no more the OS what only for experts.

[🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊]

Originally posted by Nosteru:

With Steam Deck Valve very actively working on the way to games will be working on Linux. I think this started something what other similar company might follow. Also this way might other programs get support. I realy sense that Linux growing exponentialy.
Linux is no more the OS what only for experts.

That is true but as I said above: There will always be "some games" that will never be able to work on Linux no matter what happens to Linux. All Linux users must accept that there are some games they just won't ever be able to run or play and that's just the life of using Linux.

Where as Windows10 and Windows11 typically (most of the time) can run almost all games.

The list of games that work on Win10 & Win11 is significantly larger than the list of games that could run on Linux, unfortunately, and that will never change.

[Nosteru]

Originally posted by 🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊:

That is true but as I said above: There will always be "some games" that will never be able to work on Linux no matter what happens to Linux. All Linux users must accept that there are some games they just won't ever be able to run or play and that's just the life of using Linux.

Where as Windows10 and Windows11 typically (most of the time) can run almost all games.

The list of games that work on Win10 & Win11 is significantly larger than the list of games that could run on Linux, unfortunately, and that will never change.

Well I already accepted that some games not working on Win7. Sometimes it bothersome, but as 11k games release (so 30 game per day) on Steam per year there is always enough games to play with. I already have more games that I ever can play trough. :P
Also indirectly this kind of limit help me on decisions, ignoring what not work anyway.

[Jenshae]

Originally posted by Nosteru:

Originally posted by Jenshae:

Can always spin up a Win 7 virtual machine on Linux and if you have a second GPU, you can do direct pass through.

If I will swap to Linux Mint then I drop Win7 entirely. I will adopt to that OS, there is no reason to keep Win7 at that moment.

Mint isn't the best for gaming, has a lot of "special sauce" like Manjaro.

[bidulless]

Originally posted by Nosteru:

Originally posted by 🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊:

Except of course for the long list of multiple programs that do not, can not, and never will run on Windows 7 because the developers dropped support for that OS for those programs. And more companies are expanding almost every day to drop more programs for Win7.

Even you are right in those points you still can not accept or understand that Win7 can provide what need for some of us. It work for everything I need. Also I can easiely ignore some programs what need Win10 or I can search/get alternative programs what can do the job for me.

hello

The main problem i saw with this kind of people is that in their brain , "end of support" means "end of working" when it not the same thing ...

My antivirus stopped to support w7 last years, steam stopped at the beginning of this year, microsoft stopped last year,gog stopped last year and despite that, tools, os and still getting update and still working...

[🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊]

Originally posted by bidulless:

The main problem i saw with this kind of people is that in their brain , "end of support" means "end of working" when it not the same thing ...

My antivirus stopped to support w7 last years, steam stopped at the beginning of this year, microsoft stopped last year,gog stopped last year and despite that, tools, os and still getting update and still working...

I sincerely hope you do understand that just because it works fine today does not mean that you can use Windows 7 forever. Some day some time in the future you will have to abandon it. When that day comes is different for each user but it will come some day.

[Nosteru]

Originally posted by Jenshae:

Originally posted by Nosteru:

If I will swap to Linux Mint then I drop Win7 entirely. I will adopt to that OS, there is no reason to keep Win7 at that moment.

Mint isn't the best for gaming, has a lot of "special sauce" like Manjaro.

But Mint is one of the best to start with for someone from Win7. And I dont jusr gaming on my PC, it will be a good one to start with.

[Nosteru]

Originally posted by 🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊:

Originally posted by bidulless:

The main problem i saw with this kind of people is that in their brain , "end of support" means "end of working" when it not the same thing ...

My antivirus stopped to support w7 last years, steam stopped at the beginning of this year, microsoft stopped last year,gog stopped last year and despite that, tools, os and still getting update and still working...

I sincerely hope you do understand that just because it works fine today does not mean that you can use Windows 7 forever. Some day some time in the future you will have to abandon it. When that day comes is different for each user but it will come some day.

As bidulless and most of us KNOW that Win7 will NOT work forever, BUT it WORK for now. So we are USING it now.

[Nosteru]

Originally posted by bidulless:

hello

The main problem i saw with this kind of people is that in their brain , "end of support" means "end of working" when it not the same thing ...

My antivirus stopped to support w7 last years, steam stopped at the beginning of this year, microsoft stopped last year,gog stopped last year and despite that, tools, os and still getting update and still working...

Sometimes I think is these ppl throw out everything from their house when warranty expire (EoS)?

[🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊]

Originally posted by Nosteru:

As bidulless and most of us KNOW that Win7 will NOT work forever, BUT it WORK for now. So we are USING it now.

I just thought I would make sure people know this isn't a long-term thing. Just a friendly reminder. Nothing malicious intended.

[Nosteru]

Originally posted by 🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊:

Originally posted by Nosteru:

As bidulless and most of us KNOW that Win7 will NOT work forever, BUT it WORK for now. So we are USING it now.

I just thought I would make sure people know this isn't a long-term thing. Just a friendly reminder. Nothing malicious intended.

But you answered to him. Then instead write a next message without quoting and talk to new members joining to the forum.
Like:
"Hello new member of the forum. I just would like to tell you that while this forum about Win7, but that OS is EoS now so that mean it have no support, therefore some programs might stop working on it sooner or later. If you worried about that then I highly suggest you to switch to a more modern OS like Win10, Win11 or other newer Linux Distros (if you feel be ready to learn a new and different OS)."

[bidulless]

Originally posted by Nosteru:

Originally posted by bidulless:

hello

The main problem i saw with this kind of people is that in their brain , "end of support" means "end of working" when it not the same thing ...

My antivirus stopped to support w7 last years, steam stopped at the beginning of this year, microsoft stopped last year,gog stopped last year and despite that, tools, os and still getting update and still working...

Sometimes I think is these ppl throw out everything from their house when warranty expire (EoS)?

hello

Surelly , i guess from what we can read from them here ..

Ho the "warranty" of my fridge has ended, it's time to buy a new none now !!

[🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊]

Originally posted by Nosteru:

Originally posted by 🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊:

I just thought I would make sure people know this isn't a long-term thing. Just a friendly reminder. Nothing malicious intended.

But you answered to him. Then instead write a next message without quoting and talk to new members joining to the forum.
Like:
"Hello new member of the forum. I just would like to tell you that while this forum about Win7, but that OS is EoS now so that mean it have no support, therefore some programs might stop working on it sooner or later. If you worried about that then I highly suggest you to switch to a more modern OS like Win10, Win11 or other newer Linux Distros (if you feel be ready to learn a new and different OS)."

I would never write anything like that. That entire message is a complete insult to anyone's intelligence. I would never 'talk down' to someone like they are a child like that. That's just silly to even suggest. I do not appreciate your 'suggestions' either. I wrote what I intended to write on purpose. I don't need you (or anyone else) trying to tell me what to say (or not say) in the steam forums.