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A popular tactic corrupt moderators use
You will notice in almost all topics that moderators always love to use this corrupt tactic.
The corrupt mods and their friends will make posts which break the rules very clearly. They will post things like "troll" "bait" and other insults and baits and derails. I always report these moderators when they post this stuff even though I know its pointless but it only costs me like 5 seconds to copy paste "inflammatory derail".

Then either immediately after their corrupt posts or 1-3 days later you or someone else replies to them and say something like "no you are troll not me" or "thats against the rules to say" or "someone is easily triggered, take some deep breaths lol" or maybe you dont even reply to them you just say something similar in someone elses topic like "troll" "bait" etc.

That's when normal users get banned. Then the corrupts moderators will say "Just because others are breaking the rules doesnt mean you are allowed to. Report the posts and we will look into them. Closing ticket because we have nothing more to say. If you open another ticket we will not respond".

You will never see these corrupt moderators and their friends get banned, never ever. But normal users get banned all the time without even breaking the vague rules.

If you are a normal user who doesnt report these corrupt moderator and their friends posts, try it and see what happens... nothing will happen. Wait 1-2 week and come back and see if something happened but nothing will have happened.

Action only gets taken against normal users. And you might actually make yourself a target for these corrupt moderators if you report their corrupt posts. But don't be scared. The only way to get rid of corruption is to fight back against it. If we accept it and learn to live with corruption then we will always have corruption and it is likely to get even worse.
첫 게시자: William Shakesman:
TRUMP FTW님이 먼저 게시:
William Shakesman님이 먼저 게시:
The purpose of a system is what it does. There are rules on Steam against calling people liars, but not rules against lying. You even have former moderators saying "The guy goading you did nothing wrong, YOU did something morally wrong and YOU deserve the ban, not him. YOUR behavior was wrong, his is not." Steam rules are designed to incentivize and reward the sort of people who do this sort of passive aggressive goading. Valve wants these sorts of people and behaviors on its forums.
What you're saying is true if it is the moderator and their friends doing the goading but if its a normal user then the moderators will the a complete reverse and say/do the opposite, and then its about that you are inflammatory and likely to derail and they then let the moderators and their friends off the hook who replied with rule breaking posts.

The vague rules allow them to do anything they want.
People on the forum will agree the rules are subjective and some insults aren't "insults" and some argumentative posts aren't "argumentative" per the Steam rules depending on the mods attitudes toward the poster (But only in situations where it helps them win a specific argument. In a thread like this they will deny it endlessly.)
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Pipe 2024년 5월 5일 오전 5시 44분 
Doctor Zalgo님이 먼저 게시:
PS: You post on here full time, who is paying you?
DUDE, THAT'S RICH
Zefar 2024년 5월 5일 오전 7시 18분 
TRUMP FTW님이 먼저 게시:
They are also breaking rules like argumentative, combative, inflammatory, likely to derail bla bla bla, but anyone who defends steam is untouchable. All the normal users know that is how steam is designed, create lots of vague rules so they can let some users break them as much as they want while those they don't want to break the rules they can ban as much as they want.

Scroll back time about 6 years and you'd find a topic named "Steam Sucks" it got a few thousand posts and was open for at least 3 years before it was finally closed due to off topic discussion.

The topic starter wasn't banned. People posting the topic didn't get banned unless they insulted people.

There is no protection for people who likes Steam. It's never been the case here. It's just that the haters of something often like to act tougher on the internet and resort to insults. Thus they get banned.
They love to claim that it's because they don't love Steam but in reality it's just that they broke the rules.
( ( < < <🤖> > > ) ) 2024년 5월 5일 오전 7시 48분 
baiting and discrediting everyone....

lets see... how can i not take the bait... hmmm

🤔🔎🎣🦑
N1ck0 2024년 5월 5일 오전 7시 56분 
I was talking about the forums mate. Not about leaving the platform entirely, and not play your games. And from now on, try to buy as less as possible here, or better yet, don't give them any more money at all.

You/we stand no chance "fighting back", at least on this platform, if your hypothesis is true.
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Lunduke is the Trump of tech 2024년 5월 5일 오전 8시 06분 
Nicko님이 먼저 게시:
I was talking about the forums mate. Not leaving the entire platform and not play your games. And from now on, try to buy as less as possible here, or better yet, don't give them any more money at all.
but what if i want to take part of the biggest gaming community on this world from time to time?
We must fight for what is right, fight for fairness and freedom or else we will lose it forever.
Steam has made an attack against all the gamers in this world, if we dont counter attack we will lose the war and the biggest gaming community in the world will forever suffer.

And steam can also brainwash the biggest gaming community in the world. They could for example brainwash us into losing interest in some genre of games. Like Sony who doesn't allow any game characters are are not fat females. They are not allowed to have any non-fat female characters in any game that is on sony's platform.

So we really have no choice. We must fight back.

But yes i already avoid buying games on steam. Haven't had to buy anything here in a long time.
76561199648916059 2024년 5월 5일 오전 8시 07분 
The revolution on steam is turning the mods and support to agree with us the users, who stand up for the video game industry and not the corporate greed or the profit hounding. That is the true meaning of a revolution to change the minds and opinions of those in control. To help them better understand what people like us want.

I have tried to express the need for things to change on steam countlessly, while short calls on steams profits might be likely the public opinion on a platform that benefits the customer is much more acceptable and will lead to higher profits.

Steam has a good opportunity to learn and develope into what the consumer wants. As we all know there is a presence in steam that doesn't want the customer to enjoy themselves. That doesn't want platform growth or upticks in customer acceptance and appreciation.

Many of us who use steam understand fairly well what is going on, we understand that the platform is monetized to protect its profits but at the same time turns it's customers away by trying to defend backwards policy's that puts them in danger of worse discriminates against them to the point they leave the community.
Aachen 2024년 5월 5일 오전 8시 07분 
TRUMP FTW님이 먼저 게시:
but what if i want to take part of the biggest gaming community on this world from time to time?
We must fight for what is right, fight for fairness and freedom or else we will lose it forever.
Steam has made an attack against all the gamers in this world, if we dont counter attack we will lose the war and the biggest gaming community in the world will forever suffer.

And steam can also brainwash the biggest gaming community in the world. They could for example brainwash us into losing interest in some genre of games. Like Sony who doesn't allow any game characters are are not fat females. They are not allowed to have any non-fat female characters in any game that is on sony's platform.

So we really have no choice. We must fight back.

But yes i already avoid buying games on steam. Haven't had to buy anything here in a long time.

Nah, you’re not a stand-in for “all the gamers in the world.”
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N1ck0 2024년 5월 5일 오전 8시 09분 
Zefar님이 먼저 게시:
If what you say would be the slightest bit of truth, this topic wouldn't exist past 1 day. It's been over a month.

Not necessarily. It would be too obvious, and risk people go elsewhere to voice their complains. It's in Valve's best interest to keep any criticism of their own platform, here.

That doesn't mean there is a conspiracy, but it means your argument doesn't negate the possibility of collusion behind the scene.

There is corruption everywhere after all. Not just in the criminal realm, but the legal realm also.
Lunduke is the Trump of tech 2024년 5월 5일 오전 8시 10분 
Zefar님이 먼저 게시:
TRUMP FTW님이 먼저 게시:
Steam is the biggest gaming community and they own the entire gaming industry. Game devs who dont publish on steam will fail, you cant make money without being on steam except for a few exceptions. So leaving steam is like trying to stop using banks.

The only right thing to do is fight back. slowly the amount of normal users who fight back will also grow until we have a revolution on steam.

If what you say would be the slightest bit of truth, this topic wouldn't exist past 1 day. It's been over a month.

Your "fighting" isn't going to do anything. You're not going to get a revolution.
All you do is trying to make people hate the Moderators. For no reason at all.
you just keep throwing around arguments without anything to support it. It's clear that you are just trying to defend steam and the moderators.

Go do some reading on how to make a correct argument. You have to explain why. So dont just say "cheese is bad" you have to also explain it with "because.....". You should have learned this basics at school if you went there.
N1ck0 2024년 5월 5일 오전 8시 13분 
@TRUMP FTW I'm not saying that your endeavour is without any merit, but that it is futile.
Piston Smashed™ 2024년 5월 5일 오전 8시 16분 
TRUMP FTW님이 먼저 게시:
Zefar님이 먼저 게시:

If what you say would be the slightest bit of truth, this topic wouldn't exist past 1 day. It's been over a month.

Your "fighting" isn't going to do anything. You're not going to get a revolution.
All you do is trying to make people hate the Moderators. For no reason at all.
you just keep throwing around arguments without anything to support it. It's clear that you are just trying to defend steam and the moderators.

Go do some reading on how to make a correct argument. You have to explain why. So dont just say "cheese is bad" you have to also explain it with "because.....". You should have learned this basics at school if you went there.

So like this...

TRUMP FTW님이 먼저 게시:
its basically proof when the undercover police are just a few users who do this full time meaning they get paid to do it thats the way the world works. And they are always defending the police and the police interests and shouting police propaganda. And any reports against these undercover police never gets taken any action on.

That is proof.
Lunduke is the Trump of tech 2024년 5월 5일 오전 8시 17분 
Nicko님이 먼저 게시:
@TRUMP FTW I'm not saying that your endeavour is without any merit, but that it is futile.
i know it can seem that way but it really isnt.
imagine if a few of us spend an hour per week or month to make a video series about all the corruption on steam, that would bring lots of attention.
And what if someone famous decides to join in this war, someone who can influence millions of users to follow.
There are many ways we can win this war as long as we dont surrender. I think even if all you do is show up here on steam discussions 1-2 times per year and protest then that is enough to make a difference when more and more of us start doing that.
N1ck0 2024년 5월 5일 오전 8시 23분 
@TRUMP FTW You sound young, and I'm not saying this to insult you. It's just that when you're young, you're move naive.

As you get older, and jaded as I am, you have the wisdom to understand you can't play games with the devil and win against him.

I'm just saying you're wasting your time. But you're free to try. And those as naive as you are can also join along.

But I don't foresee any sort of victory for you unfortunately.

Better just fold, be wise as a serpent, and innocent as a dove.

Let them sort their ♥♥♥♥ out among themselves, wolves.
Zefar 2024년 5월 5일 오전 8시 28분 
Nicko님이 먼저 게시:
Not necessarily. It would be too obvious, and risk people go elsewhere to voice their complains. It's in Valve's best interest to keep any criticism of their own platform, here.

That doesn't mean there is a conspiracy, but it means your argument doesn't negate the possibility of collusion behind the scene.

There is corruption everywhere after all. Not just in the criminal realm, but the legal realm also.

People would move on and forget about this.

There is no collusion behind the scenes. Moderating a gaming forum isn't the most exciting thing out there.
Moderation is done by a third party at this point and they are only doing reports and might close a few topics.

They gain nothing from letting topics like this being out in the open.

TRUMP FTW님이 먼저 게시:
you just keep throwing around arguments without anything to support it. It's clear that you are just trying to defend steam and the moderators.

Go do some reading on how to make a correct argument. You have to explain why. So dont just say "cheese is bad" you have to also explain it with "because.....". You should have learned this basics at school if you went there.

My support is that you're able to have this topic up and running even though you're attacking the Moderators.

Any forum that has Moderators that censors opinions like you claim, will censor topic like this in an instant.
You can see it on Reddit and if you post something vaguely against the rules in various sections. They'll slam the ban hammer on you know it.
JamesF0790 2024년 5월 5일 오전 8시 29분 
"They're silencing our voices" they shout out, not silenced at all.
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