When Valve stops supporting WIndows 10, it'll be interesting community response to it.

[WolfEisberg]

My low end gaming laptop cannot upgrade to Windows 11 at all. While the CPU does support TPM, the bios/motherboard do not, which means there is no way for me to upgrade to Windows 11 on this laptop.

Previously when Valve stopped support of an OS people could just upgrade their OS since the system requirements for the upgraded OS were typically the same as the system requirements for the previous windows version. The same cannot be said about WIndows 11 since it requires the computer to support TPM.

This means for me when Steam no longer works on Windows 10, if I want to continue to play Steam games on a laptop my options will be:

1- Get a new laptop
2- Not play Steam games
3- change to linux

Now personally, option 1 isn't going to happen because I rarely play games on this laptop anyways. So that leaves option 2 and 3. Changing to Linux wouldn't be a big deal because 99% of the use of this laptop is on web browser anyways.

But how this would personally affect me isn't the point anyways. But the community response will be interesting.

There will be people who cannot upgrade to WIndows 11, and they'll have legitimate reasons why which is the lack of TPM support on their PC. Telling people to upgrade to Window 11 won't be a valid suggestion.

Moving to Linux has it's draw backs because it is not as normal user friendly as Windows is, and finding help with various problems that will happen often leads to people telling you to use command line to fix the issue, which often does not come with good instructions on how to do that. So it'll be understandable why people wouldn't want to move to Linux either.

So the response will be very interesting, it won't be the same as it was for Windows 7 purely because of the TPM requirement for WIndows 11.

[Seraphita]

Smart の投稿を引用：

Even assuming that is right: Windows in general is dying. Its numbers are going downhill each year now. People are going elsewhere.

96% windows user in February statistics. Sooo I'm gonna say no. Answer is no...

[Soren]

Smart の投稿を引用：

Soren の投稿を引用：

I don't know pal. That market share is a majority Steam Deck users if I'm reading the hardware survey data right. With a majority of that 4% being Steam OS from Steam Decks specifically. That doesn't mean Linux's 1.78% market share is going anywhere. But that 1.78% is on a downward trend from last month's comparison. It's down 0.19%. Seems it's just the Steam Deck's numbers that are going up.

Even assuming that is right: Windows in general is dying. Its numbers are going downhill each year now. People are going elsewhere.

https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam

Window's OS is up 0.39% this month. Not sure why, I guess it's because they're growing at a faster rate than OSX or Linux. Windows 11 is down 2.28% and Windows 10 is up 2.76% for some reason too. So most people are installing Windows 10 even though Windows 11 is the latest.

[Start_Running]

Windows 12 will likely be a thing by then any way.
Though the question itself is nothing but speculation fodder.
A lot can change techwise between now and then. Valve may actyually implement a model that's more OS agnostic.

[Tito Shivan]

Smart の投稿を引用：

Tito Shivan の投稿を引用：

It won't be 'interesting'. As Reboot said above it's going to be the same rehashed back and forth we've seen on the forums ever since w98 support was dropped.

It's like we keep forgetting PC gaming is a hobby that goes hand in hand with upgrading your system. It's been two months since W7 was dropped out of support and more than 40% of the userbase is already using W11.

Wrong. More and more people are ditching Windows and stop using Windows completely.

So... what I said?

By the time Steam drops support for W10 only a small minority will still be clinging to that OS, just like it's now a small minority the ones who still cling to W7/8 (0.66% as per the software survey)

If it's because they've ditched W10 for most up-to-date versions (More than 40% of users already are on W11) or because Linux became mass adopted somehow (Thing I'm not as optimistic as you are about) doesn't really change the other part.

[bidulless]

Tito Shivan の投稿を引用：

Smart の投稿を引用：

Wrong. More and more people are ditching Windows and stop using Windows completely.

So... what I said?

By the time Steam drops support for W10 only a small minority will still be clinging to that OS, just like it's now a small minority the ones who still cling to W7/8 (0.66% as per the software survey)

If it's because they've ditched W10 for most up-to-date versions (More than 40% of users already are on W11) or because Linux became mass adopted somehow (Thing I'm not as optimistic as you are about) doesn't really change the other part.

hello

Well, we will see with time

And talking about the numbers you are talking about, take them with some grain of salt as they have many bias like the use of a trigger that make them not too reliable imo.
You can find better stats on internet where methodology is clearly explained when it's has not been the case with your numbers.
w11 is more around 30% than really more than 40% ...
And there is a lot of variation between countries.

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

Just keeps repeating, funny part those that plugs their ears, and cover their eyes will keep taking all blue pills they can take until they realize it's not working anymore, and that when they actually realize they have to wake up & take the red pill, unplugging their ears, remove blind fold, closed their mouths for a moment to realize things just keep repeating over, and over for decades....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE7PKRjrid4

[bidulless]

hello

As many of us allready said , just enjoy what you allready have and whatever you can or will say, it will be just https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdY3xFDVXEo

[AntiGrieferGames]

Smart の投稿を引用：

But half of userbase simply ditches Windows, searches for alternatives. And Apple OS is another alternative. Or going full smartphone (Android). So it´s not just Linux which wins more users, but also Apple and Android and other OS.

Also: Many more people have currently installed Windows 10, than Windows 11. Windows 11 simply sucks. And people refuse to use it or install it. That´s also another problem of Microsoft now.

Firstely:

Apple [OS] sucks. heres the thing:

- Digital Right Managment, that you cannot setup offline because of a actvation server.

The Activation Server can taken away at any time, which you own nothing on any of Apple Devices! See here: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/8430799?sortBy=best

- its the most Expensive Brand on the Planet!

- Much close sourced than Windows Alone did!

- Most Issue OS!

- Most Unoptimized OS!

- No Freedom!

Android OS is also worse than Windows today, still more cost money than Windows Alone but it has still less freedom than a Linux/Windows!

Only good is Linux or still ditching the most beloved Windows, both of those are way longer around the time than Apple OS/Android did!

Windows can anyway bypass Microsoft Account Compared to Apple with Apple ID, so offline setup are possible.

[AntiGrieferGames]

Smart の投稿を引用：

Soren の投稿を引用：

I don't know pal. That market share is a majority Steam Deck users if I'm reading the hardware survey data right. With a majority of that 4% being Steam OS from Steam Decks specifically. That doesn't mean Linux's 1.78% market share is going anywhere. But that 1.78% is on a downward trend from last month's comparison. It's down 0.19%. Seems it's just the Steam Deck's numbers that are going up.

Even assuming that is right: Windows in general is dying. Its numbers are going downhill each year now. People are going elsewhere.

More like Android imo.

[AntiGrieferGames]

Start_Running の投稿を引用：

Windows 12 will likely be a thing by then any way.
Though the question itself is nothing but speculation fodder.
A lot can change techwise between now and then. Valve may actyually implement a model that's more OS agnostic.

Windows 12 will be the good one compared 11 as bad one.

[Blueberry {JESUS IS LORD}]

AntiGrieferGames の投稿を引用：

Start_Running の投稿を引用：

Windows 12 will likely be a thing by then any way.
Though the question itself is nothing but speculation fodder.
A lot can change techwise between now and then. Valve may actyually implement a model that's more OS agnostic.

Windows 12 will be the good one compared 11 as bad one.

nah win11 is GOAT OS

[AntiGrieferGames]

Blueberry {JESUS IS LORD} の投稿を引用：

AntiGrieferGames の投稿を引用：

Windows 12 will be the good one compared 11 as bad one.

nah win11 is GOAT OS

Disagree

If you think, windows 11 is a good OS, good for you.

[Crashed]

Smart の投稿を引用：

Tito Shivan の投稿を引用：

It won't be 'interesting'. As Reboot said above it's going to be the same rehashed back and forth we've seen on the forums ever since w98 support was dropped.

It's like we keep forgetting PC gaming is a hobby that goes hand in hand with upgrading your system. It's been two months since W7 was dropped out of support and more than 40% of the userbase is already using W11.

Wrong. More and more people are ditching Windows and stop using Windows completely.

Windows per se is dying. Time for you to read some newspapers lmao...

Here have some: In July 2023 LInux had a market-share of ~3%.

Linux has just reached 4% of market-share in march 2024 (just a few days ago). Another record for Linux that is.

So what is happening is simple: Windows is dying, slowly but steadily it´s bleeding it´s userbase out, while Linux-userbase is rising constantly (2% per year currently). Very simple.

If this goes on like it does, or even accellerates, Windows will be dead by end of 2030 (once in 2028 critical userbase-numbers are reached, Windows will no longer be considered as a good OS, all jumping the sinking ship). As i assume this july (2024) Linux might reach 5% market share allready. and then in next year linux would be allready installed and used on 6% of user´s machines.

Also notice: It´s not just people ditching Windows and going to Linux!

But half of userbase simply ditches Windows, searches for alternatives. And Apple OS is another alternative. Or going full smartphone (Android). So it´s not just Linux which wins more users, but also Apple and Android and other OS.

Also: Many more people have currently installed Windows 10, than Windows 11. Windows 11 simply sucks. And people refuse to use it or install it. That´s also another problem of Microsoft now.

Steam has a combined market share of 3% for both Mac and Linux. The other nearly 97% is still Windows.

[Soren]

Crashed の投稿を引用：

Steam has a combined market share of 3% for both Mac and Linux. The other nearly 97% is still Windows.

You're talking about the survey data for PCs. It is missing the Steam Decks among that data pool specifically. So it's more like 95% Windows when you count Steam's little handheld thingy that runs on Steam OS (a form of linux).

[CJM]

Soren の投稿を引用：

Crashed の投稿を引用：

Steam has a combined market share of 3% for both Mac and Linux. The other nearly 97% is still Windows.

You're talking about the survey data for PCs. It is missing the Steam Decks among that data pool specifically. So it's more like 95% Windows when you count Steam's little handheld thingy that runs on Steam OS (a form of linux).

The Steam Deck doesn't look to shift those numbers significantly.

Based on the count of "AMD Custom GPU 0405" under the Linux portion, which is 35.06% at current. Comparing that to the Arch numbers which are 0.14% globally, and 8.15% under the Linux filter, I believe we can extrapolate the Steam Deck install base to be roughly 0.62% globally.

This does seem to line up with the install base for the "AMD Custom GPU 0405" under the graphics card portion for the combined/global numbers, which does make one wonder if the Steam Deck is being accounted for, and is just not being included in the "global" filter.