When Valve stops supporting WIndows 10, it'll be interesting community response to it.

[WolfEisberg]

My low end gaming laptop cannot upgrade to Windows 11 at all. While the CPU does support TPM, the bios/motherboard do not, which means there is no way for me to upgrade to Windows 11 on this laptop.

Previously when Valve stopped support of an OS people could just upgrade their OS since the system requirements for the upgraded OS were typically the same as the system requirements for the previous windows version. The same cannot be said about WIndows 11 since it requires the computer to support TPM.

This means for me when Steam no longer works on Windows 10, if I want to continue to play Steam games on a laptop my options will be:

1- Get a new laptop
2- Not play Steam games
3- change to linux

Now personally, option 1 isn't going to happen because I rarely play games on this laptop anyways. So that leaves option 2 and 3. Changing to Linux wouldn't be a big deal because 99% of the use of this laptop is on web browser anyways.

But how this would personally affect me isn't the point anyways. But the community response will be interesting.

There will be people who cannot upgrade to WIndows 11, and they'll have legitimate reasons why which is the lack of TPM support on their PC. Telling people to upgrade to Window 11 won't be a valid suggestion.

Moving to Linux has it's draw backs because it is not as normal user friendly as Windows is, and finding help with various problems that will happen often leads to people telling you to use command line to fix the issue, which often does not come with good instructions on how to do that. So it'll be understandable why people wouldn't want to move to Linux either.

So the response will be very interesting, it won't be the same as it was for Windows 7 purely because of the TPM requirement for WIndows 11.

[NakiBest]

Postat inițial de Lystent:

I doubt there is a bypass for the part where 32-bit won't cut it anymore. That is what I've got on my newest portable PC.

All AMD and Intel CPUs are 64-bit for ages!
How on earth are you using a 32-bit CPU!? :)

This belongs in a museum. Maybe you could sell it for a hefty sum? :)

[CJM]

Postat inițial de NakiBest:

Postat inițial de Lystent:

I doubt there is a bypass for the part where 32-bit won't cut it anymore. That is what I've got on my newest portable PC.

All AMD and Intel CPUs are 64-bit for ages!
How on earth are you using a 32-bit CPU!? :)

This belongs in a museum. Maybe you could sell it for a hefty sum? :)

I'm thinking he is using a 32-bit OS on a 64-bit CPU. 32-bit operating systems may have better backwards compatibility, which might even include 16-bit applications.

Star Trek Klingon Academy and Need for Speed III: Hot Pursuit are two Win9x era titles, that seem to need 16-bit backwards compatibility. NFS3 uses a 16-bit installer at least.

I can't imagine any device outside of an iPad that would still be viable with a 32-bit CPU. The cell phones would be suffering from limited or no connectivity. 32-bit Laptops would be so obsolete as to be entirely unusable.

Figure it has to be either 32-bit Windows 7 on a 64-bit CPU, or an iPad.

[Lystent]

Postat inițial de NakiBest:

Postat inițial de Lystent:

I doubt there is a bypass for the part where 32-bit won't cut it anymore. That is what I've got on my newest portable PC.

All AMD and Intel CPUs are 64-bit for ages!
How on earth are you using a 32-bit CPU!? :)

This belongs in a museum. Maybe you could sell it for a hefty sum? :)

I'm not sure if it is that the CPU was in production for some time already when the unit was built, the CPU being designed for budget hardware, or both. All I know is that I didn't pay much for an intel atom going on a decade ago.

[Lystent]

Postat inițial de CJM:

Postat inițial de NakiBest:

All AMD and Intel CPUs are 64-bit for ages!
How on earth are you using a 32-bit CPU!? :)

This belongs in a museum. Maybe you could sell it for a hefty sum? :)

I'm thinking he is using a 32-bit OS on a 64-bit CPU. 32-bit operating systems may have better backwards compatibility, which might even include 16-bit applications.

Star Trek Klingon Academy and Need for Speed III: Hot Pursuit are two Win9x era titles, that seem to need 16-bit backwards compatibility. NFS3 uses a 16-bit installer at least.

I can't imagine any device outside of an iPad that would still be viable with a 32-bit CPU. The cell phones would be suffering from limited or no connectivity. 32-bit Laptops would be so obsolete as to be entirely unusable.

Figure it has to be either 32-bit Windows 7 on a 64-bit CPU, or an iPad.

I don't think that is the case; been 32-bit from the box, and I think I've read that the CPU is 32-bit. That said, now that you mention it, I've got some software (16-bit required) that I haven't been able to run since I moved to win 7 (because that computer was 64-bit)...

[AntiGrieferGames]

Postat inițial de Lystent:

Postat inițial de CJM:

I'm thinking he is using a 32-bit OS on a 64-bit CPU. 32-bit operating systems may have better backwards compatibility, which might even include 16-bit applications.

Star Trek Klingon Academy and Need for Speed III: Hot Pursuit are two Win9x era titles, that seem to need 16-bit backwards compatibility. NFS3 uses a 16-bit installer at least.

I can't imagine any device outside of an iPad that would still be viable with a 32-bit CPU. The cell phones would be suffering from limited or no connectivity. 32-bit Laptops would be so obsolete as to be entirely unusable.

Figure it has to be either 32-bit Windows 7 on a 64-bit CPU, or an iPad.

I don't think that is the case; been 32-bit from the box, and I think I've read that the CPU is 32-bit. That said, now that you mention it, I've got some software (16-bit required) that I haven't been able to run since I moved to win 7 (because that computer was 64-bit)...

but winevdm or other 16 bit software emulators should be able to run on 64 bit operating systems... Yeah, those counts i think on installers aswell. It needs very much workarounds to get able to run 16 bit software on 64 bit Operating Systems...

[Lystent]

Postat inițial de AntiGrieferGames:

Postat inițial de Lystent:

I don't think that is the case; been 32-bit from the box, and I think I've read that the CPU is 32-bit. That said, now that you mention it, I've got some software (16-bit required) that I haven't been able to run since I moved to win 7 (because that computer was 64-bit)...

but winevdm or other 16 bit software emulators should be able to run on 64 bit operating systems... Yeah, those counts i think on installers aswell. It needs very much workarounds to get able to run 16 bit software on 64 bit Operating Systems...

That does remind me that I did get a win 98 emulator going on one of my machines, but hadn't thought to try using it to run my 16-bit software. Thanks for the pointer.

[Paratech2008]

Obsolete OSes can't be supported infinitely on Steam, Uplay, Epic, EA, maybe GOG.

I'm just glad DOSBOX exists and keeps ancient games playable. Which reminds me I need to donate a few bucks to them.

[AntiGrieferGames]

Postat inițial de Paratech2008:

Obsolete OSes can't be supported infinitely on Steam, Uplay, Epic, EA, maybe GOG.

I'm just glad DOSBOX exists and keeps ancient games playable. Which reminds me I need to donate a few bucks to them.

But GOG has offline installers and its DRM-Free

[Ben Lubar]

Pretty sure SteamCMD can still run on Windows 7 because it doesn't use CEF.

Not sure if you can run a multiplayer game client through SteamCMD, but that's not a problem I have to solve right now.

[Heraclius Caesar]

Idk if interesting is the right word for it, it'll just be more ranting and complaining by folks that can't or don't want to spend money to stay current from a technical aspect and who also don't want to learn Linux so they'll grandstand and make threats and long winded complaint thread posts like they usually do here when faced with realities that they don't want to deal with.

At the end of the day video games are an expensive hobby, a money pit really, and tbh it's kind of always been like that. People complain about $60-$90 games now yet they've been those prices since the 70s & 80s, it's nothing new.

It'll certainly be awhile but when Steam inevitably drops support for Windows 10, people will have to make a choice just like with the Windows 7 issue. For what it's worth, I needed a new work laptop so I went over to Best Buy about a week ago and grabbed an Acer Aspire with Windows 11 for $350. It has a similar graphics card to the Steam Deck so if I wanted I could play games on it. My point is that if one has to get a new laptop or whatever with a current OS it doesn't have to be something that costs as much as your rent or whatever.

Also the Steam Deck is awesome and not outrageously priced and is definitely a viable choice for folks that just want to stay plugged in to Steam without having to acquire and install a new or different OS or go through trying to pick the "best" "gaming" laptop for the "best" price.

[Smart]

Postat inițial de Tito Shivan:

It won't be 'interesting'. As Reboot said above it's going to be the same rehashed back and forth we've seen on the forums ever since w98 support was dropped.

It's like we keep forgetting PC gaming is a hobby that goes hand in hand with upgrading your system. It's been two months since W7 was dropped out of support and more than 40% of the userbase is already using W11.

Wrong. More and more people are ditching Windows and stop using Windows completely.

Windows per se is dying. Time for you to read some newspapers lmao...

Here have some: In July 2023 LInux had a market-share of ~3%.

Linux has just reached 4% of market-share in march 2024 (just a few days ago). Another record for Linux that is.

So what is happening is simple: Windows is dying, slowly but steadily it´s bleeding it´s userbase out, while Linux-userbase is rising constantly (2% per year currently). Very simple.

If this goes on like it does, or even accellerates, Windows will be dead by end of 2030 (once in 2028 critical userbase-numbers are reached, Windows will no longer be considered as a good OS, all jumping the sinking ship). As i assume this july (2024) Linux might reach 5% market share allready. and then in next year linux would be allready installed and used on 6% of user´s machines.

Also notice: It´s not just people ditching Windows and going to Linux!

But half of userbase simply ditches Windows, searches for alternatives. And Apple OS is another alternative. Or going full smartphone (Android). So it´s not just Linux which wins more users, but also Apple and Android and other OS.

Also: Many more people have currently installed Windows 10, than Windows 11. Windows 11 simply sucks. And people refuse to use it or install it. That´s also another problem of Microsoft now.

[Blueberry {JESUS IS LORD}]

you can put win11 on your unsupported laptop

i put win11 on my desktop with unsupported cpu and motherboard and it works fine

use rufus to install

[Smart]

Postat inițial de NakiBest:

Postat inițial de Lystent:

I doubt there is a bypass for the part where 32-bit won't cut it anymore. That is what I've got on my newest portable PC.

All AMD and Intel CPUs are 64-bit for ages!
How on earth are you using a 32-bit CPU!? :)

This belongs in a museum. Maybe you could sell it for a hefty sum? :)

You misunderstood him!

He means he is the first to use a 64-bit-CPU ONLY! That means there simply is no longer a 32bit-part in the cpu! Which means you cannot execute any 32 bit applications any longer! And you also cannot "Patch this" away. You simply run a 64 bit-Software and OS on a 64 bit ONLY cpu. There is no more 32 bit-application support (OS no longer supports the file-format of it) and there is no more 32 bit-hardware.

Newest ARM-chips built into tablets no longer support any 32 bit-applications (Execution of such outdated apps will crash because of not having any 32bit-hardware to support execution in 32 bits only).

See? Newest tablets have this "feature". Apple ditched 32 bit applications completely!

And you can be sure, since it´s allready rumoured: AMD and Intel soon will ditch 32 bit completely.

And ditching doesn´t mean just ending software-support.

But it means ditching the 32 bit hardware out of the 64 bit cpu.

Bam! Game over. Just like with apple they will tell you "Sorry, you will have to buy that software with 64 bit-support again" ;)

and there is nothing you can do about it. Except you will be staying on outdated hardware. See? There will be your huge problem when this comes. And i´ll here here to give you some papers to wipe your tears once this day comes.


And the problem is: Many applications do NOT have 64 bit-support. No 64 bit-variant of them exists because those would, assuming they would be existing crash once per minute. lol

[Soren]

Postat inițial de Smart:

Here have some: In July 2023 LInux had a market-share of ~3%.

Linux has just reached 4% of market-share in march 2024 (just a few days ago). Another record for Linux that is.

So what is happening is simple: Windows is dying, slowly but steadily it´s bleeding it´s userbase out, while Linux-userbase is rising constantly (2% per year currently). Very simple.

I don't know pal. That market share is a majority Steam Deck users if I'm reading the hardware survey data right. With a majority of that 4% being Steam OS from Steam Decks specifically. That doesn't mean Linux's 1.78% market share is going anywhere. But that 1.78% is on a downward trend from last month's comparison. It's down 0.19%. Seems it's just the Steam Deck's numbers that are going up.

[Smart]

Postat inițial de Soren:

Postat inițial de Smart:

Here have some: In July 2023 LInux had a market-share of ~3%.

Linux has just reached 4% of market-share in march 2024 (just a few days ago). Another record for Linux that is.

So what is happening is simple: Windows is dying, slowly but steadily it´s bleeding it´s userbase out, while Linux-userbase is rising constantly (2% per year currently). Very simple.

I don't know pal. That market share is a majority Steam Deck users if I'm reading the hardware survey data right. With a majority of that 4% being Steam OS from Steam Decks specifically. That doesn't mean Linux's 1.78% market share is going anywhere. But that 1.78% is on a downward trend from last month's comparison. It's down 0.19%. Seems it's just the Steam Deck's numbers that are going up.

Even assuming that is right: Windows in general is dying. Its numbers are going downhill each year now. People are going elsewhere.