When Valve stops supporting WIndows 10, it'll be interesting community response to it.

[WolfEisberg]

My low end gaming laptop cannot upgrade to Windows 11 at all. While the CPU does support TPM, the bios/motherboard do not, which means there is no way for me to upgrade to Windows 11 on this laptop.

Previously when Valve stopped support of an OS people could just upgrade their OS since the system requirements for the upgraded OS were typically the same as the system requirements for the previous windows version. The same cannot be said about WIndows 11 since it requires the computer to support TPM.

This means for me when Steam no longer works on Windows 10, if I want to continue to play Steam games on a laptop my options will be:

1- Get a new laptop
2- Not play Steam games
3- change to linux

Now personally, option 1 isn't going to happen because I rarely play games on this laptop anyways. So that leaves option 2 and 3. Changing to Linux wouldn't be a big deal because 99% of the use of this laptop is on web browser anyways.

But how this would personally affect me isn't the point anyways. But the community response will be interesting.

There will be people who cannot upgrade to WIndows 11, and they'll have legitimate reasons why which is the lack of TPM support on their PC. Telling people to upgrade to Window 11 won't be a valid suggestion.

Moving to Linux has it's draw backs because it is not as normal user friendly as Windows is, and finding help with various problems that will happen often leads to people telling you to use command line to fix the issue, which often does not come with good instructions on how to do that. So it'll be understandable why people wouldn't want to move to Linux either.

So the response will be very interesting, it won't be the same as it was for Windows 7 purely because of the TPM requirement for WIndows 11.

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

So uh...Wolf, your PC supports TPM 2.0 but your motherboard does not?
That just means you don't have it enabled, not that your PC does not support it.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/enable-tpm-2-0-on-your-pc-1fd5a332-360d-4f46-a1e7-ae6b0c90645c

There's a difference between not having it at all, and the TPM 2.0 just not being enabled. In your case that is the typical response when the PC detects your TPM 2.0 but its just not enabled.

[Ice Scream]

dont care i am using w11.

[WolfEisberg]

Whoa, lots of responses, don't feel like reading them. Going to start on last page.

❤ Mischievous Sly Succubus ❤님이 먼저 게시:

So uh...Wolf, your PC supports TPM 2.0 but your motherboard does not?
That just means you don't have it enabled, not that your PC does not support it.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/enable-tpm-2-0-on-your-pc-1fd5a332-360d-4f46-a1e7-ae6b0c90645c

There's a difference between not having it at all, and the TPM 2.0 just not being enabled. In your case that is the typical response when the PC detects your TPM 2.0 but its just not enabled.

I literally said that motherboard/bios doesn't support it. There is literally no option in the bios to turn it on, there is no bios update either for the laptop.

[nuyy]

My laptop does not support TPM and I have windows 11 installed with no issues. Laptop is a 2015 MSI gt72s 6qe with a 6820HK.

[Crashed]

WolfEisberg님이 먼저 게시:

Whoa, lots of responses, don't feel like reading them. Going to start on last page.

❤ Mischievous Sly Succubus ❤님이 먼저 게시:

So uh...Wolf, your PC supports TPM 2.0 but your motherboard does not?
That just means you don't have it enabled, not that your PC does not support it.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/enable-tpm-2-0-on-your-pc-1fd5a332-360d-4f46-a1e7-ae6b0c90645c

There's a difference between not having it at all, and the TPM 2.0 just not being enabled. In your case that is the typical response when the PC detects your TPM 2.0 but its just not enabled.

I literally said that motherboard/bios doesn't support it. There is literally no option in the bios to turn it on, there is no bios update either for the laptop.

No fTPM (AMD) or Platform Trust Technology/PTT (Intel)? Everything built 2017 or after should have it built-in.

[WolfEisberg]

Crashed님이 먼저 게시:

WolfEisberg님이 먼저 게시:

Whoa, lots of responses, don't feel like reading them. Going to start on last page.



I literally said that motherboard/bios doesn't support it. There is literally no option in the bios to turn it on, there is no bios update either for the laptop.

No fTPM (AMD) or Platform Trust Technology/PTT (Intel)? Everything built 2017 or after should have it built-in.

Nope; none of it, bios is very barebones.

[Blims!]

Still all these discussions about when an OS will not be supported and so on have lately been giving fuel to another discussion - The one that we actually do not own our games that we pay for but kind of leasing them, until the service provider decides not to do it anymore, or restrict access to.

It has fueled the discussion about game presevation, and that these kind of actions done by Steam and other big companies justify piracy. If I've paid for something but then suddenly cannot use it because it has been taken away or restricted access to it, what then?

[MonkehMaster]

just bypass the requirements for win 11 and use the upgrade feature to move over to win 11, its quite easy, i did it for my main pc, straight from win 7 pro, to win 10 pro and then win 11 pro (though as mentioned i still have my win 7 install (running like new and fully updated).

or i guess you could fresh install win 11, thats just as easy.

i have laptop(s) as old as 2007 running win 11 pro and if i can find any older, im almost sure i can have it running on them as well.

or i guess you could try win 12

[Ben Lubar]

MonkehMaster님이 먼저 게시:

just bypass the requirements

I am not going out of my way to put worse software on my computer. When Windows 10 is gone (or likely well before that) I'm switching my only remaining Windows machine to Linux.

[Zero]

MonkehMaster님이 먼저 게시:

i have laptop(s) as old as 2007 running win 11 pro

Running and "functioning at an acceptable level" are two entirely different things. Don't even try to claim the latter.

[MonkehMaster]

Zero님이 먼저 게시:

MonkehMaster님이 먼저 게시:

i have laptop(s) as old as 2007 running win 11 pro

Running and "functioning at an acceptable level" are two entirely different things. Don't even try to claim the latter.

they run just as well with win 11, as they did with the OS they were made to run on, very slowly.... it is a pentium dual cpu lol.

so with that said, yes running and functioning as they should.

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/11/882959061531393301/?ctp=159#c5330625727571796289

Ben Lubar님이 먼저 게시:

MonkehMaster님이 먼저 게시:

just bypass the requirements

I am not going out of my way to put worse software on my computer. When Windows 10 is gone (or likely well before that) I'm switching my only remaining Windows machine to Linux.

i was talking to the OP... never told you anything, but sure move to linux, i have used it as well.

have fun.

[Crashed]

MonkehMaster님이 먼저 게시:

just bypass the requirements for win 11 and use the upgrade feature to move over to win 11, its quite easy, i did it for my main pc, straight from win 7 pro, to win 10 pro and then win 11 pro (though as mentioned i still have my win 7 install (running like new and fully updated).

or i guess you could fresh install win 11, thats just as easy.

i have laptop(s) as old as 2007 running win 11 pro and if i can find any older, im almost sure i can have it running on them as well.

or i guess you could try win 12 :cqlol:

CPUs from 2007 will stop working soon by the way, as 24H2 requires SSE4.2/POPCNT.

[MonkehMaster]

Crashed님이 먼저 게시:

MonkehMaster님이 먼저 게시:

just bypass the requirements for win 11 and use the upgrade feature to move over to win 11, its quite easy, i did it for my main pc, straight from win 7 pro, to win 10 pro and then win 11 pro (though as mentioned i still have my win 7 install (running like new and fully updated).

or i guess you could fresh install win 11, thats just as easy.

i have laptop(s) as old as 2007 running win 11 pro and if i can find any older, im almost sure i can have it running on them as well.

or i guess you could try win 12

CPUs from 2007 will stop working soon by the way, as 24H2 requires SSE4.2/POPCNT.

ill believe it when i see it.

edit: its a non-issue, there is already a bypass out, for the "check" they placed in 24h2, also seen quite a bit of other info regarding this topic and how to get around it easily.

[WolfEisberg]

MonkehMaster님이 먼저 게시:

just bypass the requirements for win 11 and use the upgrade feature to move over to win 11, its quite easy, i did it for my main pc, straight from win 7 pro, to win 10 pro and then win 11 pro (though as mentioned i still have my win 7 install (running like new and fully updated).

or i guess you could fresh install win 11, thats just as easy.

i have laptop(s) as old as 2007 running win 11 pro and if i can find any older, im almost sure i can have it running on them as well.

or i guess you could try win 12 :cqlol:

Bypassing the requirement makes the system extremely more likely to be unstable. Haven't seen a PC yet that isn't unstable by installing W11 while not meeting all the requirements. SO that isn't even a valid suggestion to make.

[MonkehMaster]

WolfEisberg님이 먼저 게시:

MonkehMaster님이 먼저 게시:

just bypass the requirements for win 11 and use the upgrade feature to move over to win 11, its quite easy, i did it for my main pc, straight from win 7 pro, to win 10 pro and then win 11 pro (though as mentioned i still have my win 7 install (running like new and fully updated).

or i guess you could fresh install win 11, thats just as easy.

i have laptop(s) as old as 2007 running win 11 pro and if i can find any older, im almost sure i can have it running on them as well.

or i guess you could try win 12

Bypassing the requirement makes the system extremely more likely to be unstable. Haven't seen a PC yet that isn't unstable by installing W11 while not meeting all the requirements. SO that isn't even a valid suggestion to make.

if you say so, mine run stable... seems you or others may have had issues to figure out.