When Valve stops supporting WIndows 10, it'll be interesting community response to it.

[WolfEisberg]

My low end gaming laptop cannot upgrade to Windows 11 at all. While the CPU does support TPM, the bios/motherboard do not, which means there is no way for me to upgrade to Windows 11 on this laptop.

Previously when Valve stopped support of an OS people could just upgrade their OS since the system requirements for the upgraded OS were typically the same as the system requirements for the previous windows version. The same cannot be said about WIndows 11 since it requires the computer to support TPM.

This means for me when Steam no longer works on Windows 10, if I want to continue to play Steam games on a laptop my options will be:

1- Get a new laptop
2- Not play Steam games
3- change to linux

Now personally, option 1 isn't going to happen because I rarely play games on this laptop anyways. So that leaves option 2 and 3. Changing to Linux wouldn't be a big deal because 99% of the use of this laptop is on web browser anyways.

But how this would personally affect me isn't the point anyways. But the community response will be interesting.

There will be people who cannot upgrade to WIndows 11, and they'll have legitimate reasons why which is the lack of TPM support on their PC. Telling people to upgrade to Window 11 won't be a valid suggestion.

Moving to Linux has it's draw backs because it is not as normal user friendly as Windows is, and finding help with various problems that will happen often leads to people telling you to use command line to fix the issue, which often does not come with good instructions on how to do that. So it'll be understandable why people wouldn't want to move to Linux either.

So the response will be very interesting, it won't be the same as it was for Windows 7 purely because of the TPM requirement for WIndows 11.

[D. Flame]

Nguyên văn bởi Lystent:

Nguyên văn bởi CJM:

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While I could see the rationale in buying games from GoG for an Open Source aficionado, personally I would stick to Steam. ...

Steam does have quite a few features. Aside from the dependence on online servers, my biggest gripe would be one of those feature unfortunately.

The auto updater (/mandatory updates) excels at online games. These games usually rely on all the clients being on the same patch, often to the point of checking client version to make sure it matches the server before letting it onto the server.

Single player games, on the other hand, can often be the feature's "downfall". Be it devs who push "sloppy" updates and/or dealing with mods, a sudden update drop can ruin someone's plans for the evening, or longer. And some publishers may do surprise "necro" updates to games long thought to have "dead" development due to being completed, with the devs moving onto newer projects.

But if it is a game where you want to be on the latest version, be it a MP game as already mentioned, beta testing, long awaited a feature update from devs who refine their updates before shipping to "live", etc., it is an asset at that.

Nguyên văn bởi D. Flame:

Download the Linux Mint ISO. Put it on a thumbdrive and boot from from it. You can run Linux Mint right from the USB to try it out. Mint is actually more user friendly than Windows 8 or 11.

Thanks for the info, and the reminder. Albeit, to date, the only OS I ran on a stick was 98. The stick was like:
"What strange hardware... what does this do? What does that do? I don't have any drivers to run that! I barely have the drivers to run here at all. I'm a hard drive disk."

Which is to say that it worked, and didn't. But that was because I was running a system that significantly predates the majority of the drivers to run the MoBo alone.

You really don't want to try to running Mint on a USB stick as you main use case here either. However, it does let you preview and use it a bit before deciding to install it to the Harddrive/SSD.

[Lystent]

Nguyên văn bởi D. Flame:

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You really don't want to try to running Mint on a USB stick as you main use case here either. However, it does let you preview and use it a bit before deciding to install it to the Harddrive/SSD.

I figured as much. In my experience, USB sticks often have to be reformatted when they their connection is interrupted during access, for starters. And then there is the part where internal drives can outperform their USB counterparts. Especially if you are already using a m.2.

[MonkehMaster]

Nguyên văn bởi Lystent:

Nguyên văn bởi D. Flame:

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You really don't want to try to running Mint on a USB stick as you main use case here either. However, it does let you preview and use it a bit before deciding to install it to the Harddrive/SSD.

I figured as much. In my experience, USB sticks often have to be reformatted when they their connection is interrupted during access, for starters. And then there is the part where internal drives can outperform their USB counterparts. Especially if you are already using a m.2.

last time i ran a live usb with linux (kali linux, formerly backtrack 5) was quite awhile, but if i remember correctly, not only can you run and update it on usb while using it, but when installing on the usb it sets up the installer alongside it, so if wanted you can reboot while leaving the usb connected and selecting the installer option and install directly onto an internal drive (or w/e drive you choose, flash drive, external or internal).

that being said, that was quite a few years ago, so im not current in knowing if they still work that way, or if anything changed since then.

[Lystent]

Nguyên văn bởi MonkehMaster:

Nguyên văn bởi Lystent:

I figured as much. In my experience, USB sticks often have to be reformatted when they their connection is interrupted during access, for starters. And then there is the part where internal drives can outperform their USB counterparts. Especially if you are already using a m.2.

last time i ran a live usb with linux (kali linux, formerly backtrack 5) was quite awhile, but if i remember correctly, not only can you run and update it on usb while using it, but when installing on the usb it sets up the installer alongside it, so if wanted you can reboot while leaving the usb connected and selecting the installer option and install directly onto an internal drive (or w/e drive you choose, flash drive, external or internal).

that being said, that was quite a few years ago, so im not current in knowing if they still work that way, or if anything changed since then.

Sounds convenient if the OS I'd settle on happens to do that as well. Would mean I wouldn't have to remove the OS from the drive when it came time to install something to the internal drive.

[samm987999]

Nguyên văn bởi ragefifty50:

Nguyên văn bởi samm987999:

IMO, it is not reasonable to keep supporting old OSs when it was dropped by MS.

I disagree.... i think we need a mechanism that allows people to play games
that have not been upgraded.... and the only reason they cant be played is because
a connection server of sorts has changed...

the game goes to offline no upgrades no downloads the customer
takes care of their own game storage unless you upgrade to a new OS...

we are talking about digital content... it can be made very flexible..

steam would only need a id server... no storage or anything..
you lose the game thats it... your problem...

if you want to play online... you need a current OS... simple... or something like that...

I understand that you have a different opinion, but I'm entitled to my own opinion too.

[Ganger]

Nguyên văn bởi samm987999:

Nguyên văn bởi ragefifty50:

I disagree.... i think we need a mechanism that allows people to play games
that have not been upgraded.... and the only reason they cant be played is because
a connection server of sorts has changed...

the game goes to offline no upgrades no downloads the customer
takes care of their own game storage unless you upgrade to a new OS...

we are talking about digital content... it can be made very flexible..

steam would only need a id server... no storage or anything..
you lose the game thats it... your problem...

if you want to play online... you need a current OS... simple... or something like that...

I understand that you have a different opinion, but I'm entitled to my own opinion too.

In the digital age of gaming, we gamer's no longer have control over our gaming needs. We gamer's including myself mind you, sold our gaming rights away to the likes of steam, microsoft and others for convenience and ease of use.

[samm987999]

Nguyên văn bởi Ganger:

Nguyên văn bởi samm987999:

I understand that you have a different opinion, but I'm entitled to my own opinion too.

In the digital age of gaming, we gamer's no longer have control over our gaming needs. We gamer's including myself mind you, sold our gaming rights away to the likes of steam, microsoft and others for convenience and ease of use.

And it appear not here in afraid, but it is necessary for security reasons. GOG.com is the only way that you can play with old version.

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

I'm not keen on learning a new OS layout but I'll do as I need should it come down to it.

[samm987999]

Nguyên văn bởi Leonardo Da Pinchi:

I'm not keen on learning a new OS layout but I'll do as I need should it come down to it.

I don't either.

[Ganger]

Nguyên văn bởi samm987999:

And it appear not here in afraid, but it is necessary for security reasons. GOG.com is the only way that you can play with old version.

I have come to my own concusion, no matter what most steam users say on the forums, most will choose steam over GOG any day. Years ago, I called out many users on these very forums who publicly promised to purchase cyberpunk 2077 on GOG but ended up buying the game on steam instead, then came the excuses as to why they bought on steam.

[samm987999]

Nguyên văn bởi Ganger:

Nguyên văn bởi samm987999:

And it appear not here in afraid, but it is necessary for security reasons. GOG.com is the only way that you can play with old version.

I have come to my own concusion, no matter what most steam users say on the forums, most will choose steam over GOG any day. Years ago, I called out many users on these very forums who publicly promised to purchase cyberpunk 2077 on GOG but ended up buying the game on steam instead, then came the excuses as to why they bought on steam.

I'm not sure what do you mean?

[PocketYoda]

I intend to switch to consoles in 2025 if i'm forced to go to Win 11 or 12.. I'm done being forced to upgrade perfectly fine operating systems to worse versions..

Consoles upgrade but at least i can still access my older games on my older consoles if i want to.

I will never upgrade to win 11 or 12 if its infested with Ai.

I'm too old to learn new OSs and i don't want to either.

[D. Flame]

Nguyên văn bởi PocketYoda:

I intend to switch to consoles in 2025 if i'm forced to go to Win 11 or 12.. I'm done being forced to upgrade perfectly fine operating systems to worse versions..

Consoles upgrade but at least i can still access my older games on my older consoles if i want to.

I will never upgrade to win 11 or 12 if its infested with Ai.

I'm too old to learn new OSs and i don't want to either.

60 and 70 years olds I have set up with Linux Mint have been able to figure it out. The said it felt the same as Windows to them.

[PocketYoda]

Nguyên văn bởi D. Flame:

Nguyên văn bởi PocketYoda:

I intend to switch to consoles in 2025 if i'm forced to go to Win 11 or 12.. I'm done being forced to upgrade perfectly fine operating systems to worse versions..

Consoles upgrade but at least i can still access my older games on my older consoles if i want to.

I will never upgrade to win 11 or 12 if its infested with Ai.

I'm too old to learn new OSs and i don't want to either.

60 and 70 years olds I have set up with Linux Mint have been able to figure it out. The said it felt the same as Windows to them.

I don't really care how old people have setup whatever, i'm happy on win 10 although i preferred Win 7 back in the day..

My brother has already ditched PC for consoles and has zero of these upgrade issues.. I intend to say FU to steam on 2025 if i'm forced to upgrade..

99% of steam is indie garbage anyway so its not like i'll miss that many games. Also console games are far cheaper here now in retail stores.

[BionicSeaSerpent]

Nguyên văn bởi D. Flame:

Download the Linux Mint ISO. Put it on a thumbdrive and boot from from it. You can run Linux Mint right from the USB to try it out. Mint is actually more user friendly than Windows 8 or 11.

not Mint. LMDE. base mint ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ sucks because of Ubuntu