When Valve stops supporting WIndows 10, it'll be interesting community response to it.

[WolfEisberg]

My low end gaming laptop cannot upgrade to Windows 11 at all. While the CPU does support TPM, the bios/motherboard do not, which means there is no way for me to upgrade to Windows 11 on this laptop.

Previously when Valve stopped support of an OS people could just upgrade their OS since the system requirements for the upgraded OS were typically the same as the system requirements for the previous windows version. The same cannot be said about WIndows 11 since it requires the computer to support TPM.

This means for me when Steam no longer works on Windows 10, if I want to continue to play Steam games on a laptop my options will be:

1- Get a new laptop
2- Not play Steam games
3- change to linux

Now personally, option 1 isn't going to happen because I rarely play games on this laptop anyways. So that leaves option 2 and 3. Changing to Linux wouldn't be a big deal because 99% of the use of this laptop is on web browser anyways.

But how this would personally affect me isn't the point anyways. But the community response will be interesting.

There will be people who cannot upgrade to WIndows 11, and they'll have legitimate reasons why which is the lack of TPM support on their PC. Telling people to upgrade to Window 11 won't be a valid suggestion.

Moving to Linux has it's draw backs because it is not as normal user friendly as Windows is, and finding help with various problems that will happen often leads to people telling you to use command line to fix the issue, which often does not come with good instructions on how to do that. So it'll be understandable why people wouldn't want to move to Linux either.

So the response will be very interesting, it won't be the same as it was for Windows 7 purely because of the TPM requirement for WIndows 11.

[fluxtorrent]

When you run out of "real" complaints and you start making up stories to be mad about

[nullable]

"When", will be years from now and the user base will be in the 1% range, and the response will be the same as it was for all the other now unsupported Windows versions. Windows 10 ain't special.

[rawWwRrr]

If it comes to pass that Valve is only seeing 2-3% Win 10 usage, then it's clear the hardware hurdle to Win 11 has been addressed by the vast majority of the users.

[WolfEisberg]

Originally posted by fluxtorrent:

When you run out of "real" complaints and you start making up stories to be mad about

First of all, I'm not mad about anything. I literally explained that my use of my laptop is 99% using a web browser, and going to Linux wouldn't be a big deal. I said this for people like you, who would try to turn what I said into me being mad about something, apparently that didn't work.

Second of all, nothing was made up. I suggest you read up on how TPM is required for WIndows 11.

[WolfEisberg]

Originally posted by nullable:

"When", will be years from now and the user base will be in the 1% range, and the response will be the same as it was for all the other now unsupported Windows versions. Windows 10 ain't special.

It could very well be different this time around because previously people could upgrade to the next Windows version because their system already had the minimum requirements for the next windows, for example Windows 7 and Windows 10 have the same system requirements. This time it will be different due to the TPM requirement, this is a completely different hurdle. before people were not wanting to go to 10 simply because there was something about 10 they did not like, where as with Windows 11 there will be a physical hardware limitation that is going to prevent people from upgrading to Windows 11, even people who would normally have no problem moving on to the next windows version will be prevented from doing so because of that hardware limitation.

This is why I am expecting a different response to happen compared to what we have seen in the past, and that it'll affect more people that it has in the past. Hence it'll be interesting to see what happens.

[Mountain Months]

you already know its going to be the exact same people gloating over it for some reason

[Chompman]

First off it's not steam that stops support for windows OS but Microsoft that does it and then services can no longer support it because of many reasons such as security and tech support that they have no control over.

This is nothing new since it originally started when Microsoft stopped supporting for older OS's like windows 3.1 and 95 and it always falls on the user to stay up to date if you wish to use 3rd party software on their platform.

Nothing lasts forever and win 10 will be no different as any other OS over 20 years that steam has existed and this is something you have known about since then.

[bidulless]

Originally posted by WolfEisberg:

So the response will be very interesting, it won't be the same as it was for Windows 7 purely because of the TPM requirement for WIndows 11.

Hello

It will be exactly the same answers with surelly the same clow... heu people ...

[Nx Machina]

Originally posted by WolfEisberg:

The same cannot be said about WIndows 11 since it requires the computer to support TPM.

Nope: You can install Win 11 on a PC without TPM support.

Microsoft did with one of their own products, ironically after stating it was not possible and there are guides online including from Microsoft of how to install Win 11 on a PC without TPM support.

[Zefar]

Windows 10 will most likely work for another 5-8 years before that happens.

Windows 7 which is based on Vista code lasted quite a few years with such dated coding language.

When Win10 that gaming laptop of yours will most likely be an antique at the point.

[Eagle_of_Fire]

Originally posted by nullable:

"When", will be years from now and the user base will be in the 1% range, and the response will be the same as it was for all the other now unsupported Windows versions. Windows 10 ain't special.

Originally posted by Zefar:

Windows 10 will most likely work for another 5-8 years before that happens.

Windows 7 which is based on Vista code lasted quite a few years with such dated coding language.

When Win10 that gaming laptop of yours will most likely be an antique at the point.

Oh, really?

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows-10-home-and-pro

[Nx Machina]

Originally posted by Eagle_of_Fire:

Oh, really?

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows-10-home-and-pro

They are referring to the fact that Microsoft dropped support for Windows 7 in late 2019, early 2020 and Valve dropped support for Windows 7 Jan 1st 2024, four years later.

[Eagle_of_Fire]

Originally posted by Nx Machina:

Originally posted by Eagle_of_Fire:

Oh, really?

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows-10-home-and-pro

They are referring to the fact that Microsoft dropped support for Windows 7 in late 2019, early 2020 and Valve dropped support for Windows 7 Jan 1st 2024, four years later.

And OP is referring to the fact that the same thing is going to happen with Windows 10 while the majority of the people around here seem to be find using blinders and not think about it.

[Nx Machina]

Originally posted by Eagle_of_Fire:

And OP is referring to the fact that the same thing is going to happen with Windows 10 while the majority of the people around here seem to be find using blinders and not think about it.

Nope the OP is guessing what will happen.

Valve switched to Windows 10 and above because of security features already available in Window 10 and not available in Windows 7, 8, 8.1.

In addition, future versions of Steam will require Windows feature and security updates only present in Windows 10 and above

As for blinders and not think about it - I started with DOS, followed by Win 3.11, Win XP, Win 7, currently Win 10 because technology and OS's moved forward.

Secondly i have always planned ahead and have savings allowing me to either upgrade or buy a custom built PC and that will only happen if Win 10 is dropped, my current OS.

[Eagle_of_Fire]

Originally posted by Nx Machina:

Originally posted by Eagle_of_Fire:

And OP is referring to the fact that the same thing is going to happen with Windows 10 while the majority of the people around here seem to be find using blinders and not think about it.

Nope the OP is guessing what will happen.

Valve switched to Windows 10 and above because of security features already available in Window 10 and not available in Windows 7, 8, 8.1.

In addition, future versions of Steam will require Windows feature and security updates only present in Windows 10 and above

As for blinders and not think about it - I started with DOS, followed by Win 3.11, Win XP, Win 7, Win10 because technology and OS's moved forward.

Secondly i have always planned ahead and have savings allowing me to either upgrade or buy a custom built PC.

Way to be missing the point as usual.

I've worked with DOS too. I know how it worked back then. I wasn't rich and my family wasn't rich either so I've never actually used a "state of the art" computer back then. We were always years behind and yet there was no problems like the one we're discussing right now because when you bought a game it was either working or not. It was a physical purchase, so you could always take your box and CD and do whatever you wanted with it meaning it would not be a complete waste if it didn't work.

Steam and the digital age changed that. Now you can't take your game and resell it or gift it to someone else. You can't just ignore the launcher. You are forced to keep up or stop using what you paid for. And that is just stupid. That's forcing people from discarding and stopping using perfectly fine hardware just to buy even more stuff they don't need.

And it is going to happen with Windows 10 too. And because innovation is at an all time low (which is not surprising, we are topping the curve right now) then it will become more and more of a problem in the near future.

When people realise they've spent several thousands into Steam and they can't access it without having to dish out three other thousands just to get a new rig (YMMV on the price of a new rig but people who don't build their computer themselves with tax included can easily amount fo 3000) will simply get angry. And it won't be the 1% like Windows 7 was.