There is NO point in Playing FPS games anymore. Cheaters has taken over.

[MxFluxTTV]

What is the point in playing FPS games anymore? Or PVP at all? When the majority of players are cheating? This has become a HUGE F problem in almost every game now, and the devs in most games wont do anything as they make more $ from cheaters, than they are probably making on selling the games, or the in-game content they are selling?. I have been playing FPS games since CS 1.1, which came out in 1999. There was never cheating in the games back then.. actually, there was not even noticable cheating in CS before 1.6, and still, there was minimal cheaters as they got banned instantly if they even tried. Now, since CSGO and cs2.. Cheaters seems to be everywhere, and same with PUBG... played PUBG when that came out, and there was never cheaters back then, now they are everywhere... so.. WHAT GAME CAN I PLAY WHERE I DONT GET HARRASSED BY LOOSERS THAT SHOULD FIND A DIFFERENT HOBBY? as they clearly should not be wasting their time in gaming?.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

You think that people cheat in video games because they are bad at them? lol

They cheat because they're human. Why do people cheat in relationships or on their taxes? Because they're human.

[Swarmfly]

*laughs in point and click games with offline bots*

[76561199559798421]

well i think people cheat mostly because they think "they won't get caught" that is the ultimate game right, doesn't matter what game it is , but not getting caught seems to be the desire.

more over we have those that want to get caught and then get out of it or show they can escape the wrath of inflicted punishment.

3rd and i think most people don't honestly get a game to cheat on it, they get the game to play it and test there ability it is when they find out they have zero ability and can't win is when they turn to cheating.

taxes and relationships are different, in the sense nobody gets into a relationship to cheat or gets a job to cheat on taxes, however after obtaining the job and the spouse, they soon get bored or feel like they deserve more from the job, example higher pay, or more from the relationship.

cheating in a game is compared to walking down the street and someone asks you if you need a ride, most people jump in and take the ride, only a few people would say, "no thanks im walking for my health"

[Pierce Dalton]

Originally posted by C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

You think that people cheat in video games because they are bad at them? lol

They cheat because they're human. Why do people cheat in relationships or on their taxes? Because they're human.

Yes, if they were good they wouldn't have to resort to cheats to win...

[76561199559798421]

sometimes i suspect csgo 2 players are really just scripted bots that move on there own with a little nudge from the users, where they can see through walls and have instant cross over fire to the point those players do nothing except maybe look in the direction or the target through a wall or move around.

[Senator Armstrong]

This is nothing new. The sky is blue. Whales are big. People cheat in online games.

[TheCrazyAussie]

Originally posted by ❟❛❟Ace❟❛❟:

I have been playing FPS games since CS 1.1, which came out in 1999. There was never cheating in the games back then.. actually, there was not even noticable cheating in CS before 1.6

Cheating (specifically, in online multiplayer games, regardless of genre) has been around since before then. Any game that came with a competitive aspect to it attracted cheaters. There were cheat and hack programs/trainers/etc for online (or even just local network) multiplayer games before CS released.

Cheaters have been in online and multiplayer gaming longer than Valve has been around.

[Reported.]

Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:

Originally posted by C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

You think that people cheat in video games because they are bad at them? lol

They cheat because they're human. Why do people cheat in relationships or on their taxes? Because they're human.

Yes, if they were good they wouldn't have to resort to cheats to win...

But they just have a different viewset to what others considered "moral". Some don't take societal notions of morality into account and just stick to the absolute letter of what is defined under local laws as valid to do so. So if they see SSAs and such as not legally binding, they will cheat and do whatever they dictate as "succeeding" to them.

That is also how businesses "succeed" in capitalism. Doing whatever is allowed, while finding as much loopholes to get away with, because in thier "ideal" system all that matters is thier corporate image, if they even care, and profits, while fitting under thier legal system to operate.

So there is no need to be bent out of shape if their "morals" conflict with yours. The only person that matters is *you*.

tldr: if you have a problem with "cheating", play single player games or not get bent out of shape when people do.

[Princess Luna]

UT 2004 and Left 4 dead 2: You guys have cheaters?

[ReBoot]

Played Wrath recently, no issues with cheating.

[PatchAdams]

Originally posted by Pipe:

play co op games like payday 2 and deep rock galactic maybe?

Even those can have cheaters, although more rarely, and it usually does not affect you the same way.

That being said, I once joined a Borderlands 2 lobby, and the host used a cheat program to change my character's level. It's important to keep manual backups of game save files for these kinds of games.

I have also seen lots of PD2 "cheaters" -- though many of them were probably just using custom skins or HUDs or something.

With CS2, there's not just an issue with skill, but also that the game does not run well on many systems and with many internet connections; the game is still nowhere near optimized; and worldwide server distribution means some people will always have 150+ ping. The skill ceiling is incredibly high, and having a cheap mouse or driver issues, or living far from a server, are probably enough to prevent you from reaching anything close to your potential.

So probably some of the people who cheat, do so to get past the fact that PC/net/server issues mean they have no hope of being competitive when playing normally. Of course, many of them cheat because they're jerks, or because they think everyone else is cheating, and so they rationalize it as "common practice."

As C²C^Guyver said, people cheat because it's human nature.

[Uncle Sam]

Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:

Originally posted by C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

You think that people cheat in video games because they are bad at them? lol

They cheat because they're human. Why do people cheat in relationships or on their taxes? Because they're human.

Yes, if they were good they wouldn't have to resort to cheats to win...

Well in general finding good people is also rare depending in the place, however this is my opinion on a highly subjective topic. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Uncle Sam]

As per your question @OP, PvE / Co-op games with friends or single player games or not popular PvP games, also avoid "competitive" pvp games.

[Crazy Tiger]

If you want to play multiplayer games, you should always expect the possibility to run into cheaters.

Also, yes, back in the day there *was* cheating. You're just wearing rose tinted glasses.

[Volfogg]

Seems like the simplest solution is to not play multiplayer games. Honestly I don't know. I can't aim and I actively avoid multiplayer games, since I absolutely hate playing with people. That leaves me with single player.