Thank you valve for defending cheaters

[mystik-]

Faceit a good anti-cheat why not do it with VAC, you defend the cheaters and you delete my posts so I'm right and you are wrong, it's easy to delete the posts and give me warnings, I I would just like to know that it's easy to stop cheaters but you don't want to do it and that's it, I would just like to tell you that your anti-cheat doesn't work because in all the games I come across guys who have spinbots so there you g

[xBCxRangers]

Quick question. If i use Cronus for my PS3 controller, thru my Xbox and play on Steam thru Ge Force Now, can i get nabbed for cheating?

[mystik-]

But what are you telling me, he jumps, he puts 5 heads 5 trafert in one second, but what are you telling me?

[mystik-]

Stop taking anyone for a fool and sort out your ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ anti cheat.

[Piston Smashed™]

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But what are you telling me, he jumps, he puts 5 heads 5 trafert in one second, but what are you telling me?

If they are cheating report them and leave it at that. If they are found to be cheating then they will be banned. Nobody is going to be banned straight away and because you say someone is cheating..

Report and move on...

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

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But what are you telling me, he jumps, he puts 5 heads 5 trafert in one second, but what are you telling me?

Thats a bot
VAC detects cheats

Bots use the program itself to just aim better
Effectively, a spinbot is just a programmed NPC put into a game

Thats not cheating, thats called botting

Basically you have zero idea what your issue even is, nothing to fix because the issue is bots, not cheaters but hey I guess you forgot the report function exists to.

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

Postat inițial de xBCxRangers:

Quick question. If i use Cronus for my PS3 controller, thru my Xbox and play on Steam thru Ge Force Now, can i get nabbed for cheating?

I....Don't think so? I mean if you can use the controller to start with at all that implies that the game allowed controllers so in a way I don't think that falls under cheating, especially when I think its only a certain subsystem of GeForce Now caused issues in the past, idk if it does now.

[xBCxRangers]

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Postat inițial de xBCxRangers:

Quick question. If i use Cronus for my PS3 controller, thru my Xbox and play on Steam thru Ge Force Now, can i get nabbed for cheating?

I....Don't think so? I mean if you can use the controller to start with at all that implies that the game allowed controllers so in a way I don't think that falls under cheating, especially when I think its only a certain subsystem of GeForce Now caused issues in the past, idk if it does now.

Right, it's interesting i only use it in so i can use the controller i want. Not for the cheating scripts. I wouldn't have the first clue.

But an interesting conversation happened on a game hub, when console folks were going to crossplay, and concerned we would use Cronus to cheat.

Well, on Ge Force Now, i'm playing thru Steam, and if i decided to cheat, i'm wondering if that would be picked up, given Cronus is not a hack or a program.

[Brian9824]

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Postat inițial de ❤ Mischievous Sly Succubus ❤:

I....Don't think so? I mean if you can use the controller to start with at all that implies that the game allowed controllers so in a way I don't think that falls under cheating, especially when I think its only a certain subsystem of GeForce Now caused issues in the past, idk if it does now.

Right, it's interesting i only use it in so i can use the controller i want. Not for the cheating scripts. I wouldn't have the first clue.

But an interesting conversation happened on a game hub, when console folks were going to crossplay, and concerned we would use Cronus to cheat.

Well, on Ge Force Now, i'm playing thru Steam, and if i decided to cheat, i'm wondering if that would be picked up, given Cronus is not a hack or a program.

The controllers that contain various cheats like the Chronus Zen are detectable, you'd have to ask in the game hub in question if you could get a ban simply for using the controller as it would depend on the individual cheat protection of the game.

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

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Postat inițial de ❤ Mischievous Sly Succubus ❤:

I....Don't think so? I mean if you can use the controller to start with at all that implies that the game allowed controllers so in a way I don't think that falls under cheating, especially when I think its only a certain subsystem of GeForce Now caused issues in the past, idk if it does now.

Right, it's interesting i only use it in so i can use the controller i want. Not for the cheating scripts. I wouldn't have the first clue.

But an interesting conversation happened on a game hub, when console folks were going to crossplay, and concerned we would use Cronus to cheat.

Well, on Ge Force Now, i'm playing thru Steam, and if i decided to cheat, i'm wondering if that would be picked up, given Cronus is not a hack or a program.

The way that VAC works is not by typical means. If I were to use VAC, it would be a VAC-based server. So if I for example used Team Fortress 2, all main servers are VAC-protected, meaning that officially you would not be picked up until you got into an official server at which point the VAC system would either shake its head or nod it.

This is important to note as community servers do not fall under that umbrella, and it does not work by simply having Steam open either (at least, the detection part does not)

This all came as a result because why Valve yes, has rules against cheating, they had to make it more fair. This is why when you see the system for Steam Achivements that allows you to hide them or basically obtain them, it does not meet the VAC system as officially steam (the platform itself) is protected by a third party system that detects exploits and edits to the program itself, going so far to even note if you remove 50 games from your wishlist, it will temporarily slow down your internet usage on Valve in cause of a possible DOX or DDOS

So in this case, you would likely be picked up nothing would be done as I imagine if the system allows Cronus to function in the first place then VAC likely already has been changed to allow it to be used.

[xBCxRangers]

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Postat inițial de xBCxRangers:

Right, it's interesting i only use it in so i can use the controller i want. Not for the cheating scripts. I wouldn't have the first clue.

But an interesting conversation happened on a game hub, when console folks were going to crossplay, and concerned we would use Cronus to cheat.

Well, on Ge Force Now, i'm playing thru Steam, and if i decided to cheat, i'm wondering if that would be picked up, given Cronus is not a hack or a program.

The controllers that contain various cheats like the Chronus Zen are detectable, you'd have to ask in the game hub in question if you could get a ban simply for using the controller as it would depend on the individual cheat protection of the game.

And so you're saying it "would" pick it up, even though its being run thru the console usb, not thru a PC hack or cheat.

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

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Postat inițial de brian9824:

The controllers that contain various cheats like the Chronus Zen are detectable, you'd have to ask in the game hub in question if you could get a ban simply for using the controller as it would depend on the individual cheat protection of the game.

And so you're saying it "would" pick it up, even though its being run thru the console usb, not thru a PC hack or cheat.

I mean in theory given Steam can pick up basically anything that its running on I imagine the UI/platform would notice before VAC itself does, which at that point if it works then its as Brian said, its up to how that game defines it at that stage

[Brian9824]

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Postat inițial de brian9824:

The controllers that contain various cheats like the Chronus Zen are detectable, you'd have to ask in the game hub in question if you could get a ban simply for using the controller as it would depend on the individual cheat protection of the game.

And so you're saying it "would" pick it up, even though its being run thru the console usb, not thru a PC hack or cheat.

I said no such thing. I said the controllers with cheats ARE detectable not that it would be detected in that exact scenario and you should ask on the game forum if it would be detected, or even if there would be an issue just using the controller.

[Piston Smashed™]

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Postat inițial de brian9824:

The controllers that contain various cheats like the Chronus Zen are detectable, you'd have to ask in the game hub in question if you could get a ban simply for using the controller as it would depend on the individual cheat protection of the game.

And so you're saying it "would" pick it up, even though its being run thru the console usb, not thru a PC hack or cheat.

The best thing to do is not enter a game which has any anti-cheat if you're worried about it being detected just to be safe.

[Amaterasu]

If Valve really was defending cheaters, Valve Anti-Cheat wouldn't exist in the first place. There are many things that an anti-cheat cannot detect that could be seen as cheating by people, but aren't inherently cheats in and of themselves. Now I don't know if VAC runs at Ring-0, but most cheat programs do, and I'm just gonna throw my two cents out here on this. It's a massive risk to run anything that doesn't come with your computer at Ring-0. Both people using software with anti-cheats and the cheaters are both taking a risk that some malicious actor isn't going to just decide to inject some malicious code into the Anti-cheat/cheats and start hijacking computers for data to sell on the Dark Web.

But the thing of the matter is, the Anti-cheat companies are a little more trustworthy as if they do that... their company reputation sinks to rock bottom, their coffers begin to empty as they lose customers, and they eventually shut their doors for good. Meanwhile, a cheat developer does that? They go underground for a couple of months, pop up with a new name and a fake story... and restart the entire cycle all over again.

[xBCxRangers]

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Postat inițial de xBCxRangers:

And so you're saying it "would" pick it up, even though its being run thru the console usb, not thru a PC hack or cheat.

I said no such thing. I said the controllers with cheats ARE detectable not that it would be detected in that exact scenario and you should ask on the game forum if it would be detected, or even if there would be an issue just using the controller.

Right well you can use a controller on the games i play. It's that Cronus, like Steam does, gives you the option of which controller you want to use. I prefer a PS3 controller, on my Xbox, and that's the rationale for using Cronus for me.

And, i'll never be good enough to be accused of cheating lol. In fact the opposite, playing against k&m, i'm at a clear disadvantage.

However, others were concerned, and i suppose if they use rapid fire or whatever else they can download on there, they'd likely be caught, which i suppose would mitigate those players concerns.