Why hate epic game players ?

[Gökyüzü]

Since currency change(im from Turkey) im buyying my games from epic store.

And when i want to discuss something or ask some questions about the game i come to steam and open a topic about it. Then people starts to check my profile to see if i own the game or not. Then many people starts to harras me completely ignore what i am talking about and they gave me clown rewards.

I realy dont understand this. Why all this hate i didn't even done anything wrong.

[Komarimaru]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Pierce Dalton:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Komarimaru:

Go put a game on the store and read the NDA to do so. Makes perfect sense. Even developers will say they cannot give you the exact numbers, as that video also showed. Why you'll never see the exact numbers from Epic, but Steam is fine.

https://www.pcgamer.com/satisfactory-dev-says-epic-games-store-hate-comes-from-a-loud-minority/

So they violated the NDA :WH3_greasus_rofl:

No exact numbers given and unrelated.

[Komarimaru]

Początkowo opublikowane przez WolfEisberg:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Komarimaru:

facts care more then ya feelings.

True, yet you aren't using facts.

EGS does prevent you from speaking about numbers, always have.

Prove it. Show actual proof. Considering this developer did show numbers

https://twitter.com/YvesHohler/status/1521024229340241920

It indicates that there probably isn't. If you want to say it is a fact that they do, then prove it. Facts like this always include a source that absolutely shows it. You provided no source at all.

Ya forget after the requires taxes etc, that it's nearly the same income. They make a few cents more on each sale, if that.

prove it.

And the video did show what I claimed, they even say they make more money on Steam with the bigger cut.

Their game selling more on Steam does not mean that EGS selling less games on EGS is bad for them. What you are indicating here is that dev/pubs should ignore every single store on the PC except for Steam, ONLY releasing to Steam because none of those stores can get the same level of unit sales as Steam does, because you are saying its bad and makes it worse for them to have their games on Stores that sell significantly less than Steam.

And I already covered the lump sum point, but in the end the game still does better on other platforms. It's a cop out, always has been.

What are you even talking about.

And nice link, and skipping to the post under the profits chart. Shows Steam made them more money, bravo... Even with the lump sum, they only made 5.6% of their profits on EGS, 60.5% on Steam. Even shows sold less on EGS. Not exactly helping ya there, is it?

The point is is here we have a developer stating it is worth putting his game on EGS, despite that EGS had lower sales compared to Steam. It goes against your own argument, it shows a developer is happy he put his game on EGS. It absolutely helps my point, and goes against yours.

They have percentages, not exact details. And again, their graph shows you're wrong, the graph you posted.

[WolfEisberg]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Komarimaru:

We do know that WolfEisberg. And the coupons and cash back are not enticing enough obviously for people to use the Store Front, I wonder why. The developers make less money on the free game sales, still get something, but still it costs them and it costs Epic. They only do it due to their contractual obligations, where as Steam Sales are solely opt in.

Nobody is contractually obligated to put games on sale, nor are they contractually obligated to put their games free on Epic. Where the heck do you even come up with this stuff. Explain to me how the DARQ developer was contractually obligated to give his game for free on EGS?

As for free games the developers losing money. Can you prove it? I would ask you why a developer would choose to have their game for free on EGS, in which EGS pays them an agreed upon amount for it, if it only causes them losses, but I can't ask that because you just indicated the only reason why they put their games for free is due to contract obligation.

Many posts ago, you claimed Epic would be taking record profits in 2023, never happened.

I never claimed that. Don't make stuff up that I never stated.

[Then you claimed 2024. [/quote]

I never claimed that. Don't make stuff up that I never stated.

Of course you've removed those posts, such as removing your posts in the Arbitration against Steam thread. But now you're fine with Epic being at a loss, after all claims of it will do great?

You once accidently copy and pasted something to the these forums that looked like it was supposed to be in an email, the showed you were a Valve employee, but then you deleted it.

See how that works?

People quote me all the time, the very fact that you can't even find someone quoting me really says it at all, you are absolutely lying about me, attacking me with lies.

[WolfEisberg]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Komarimaru:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Pierce Dalton:

Well, I'm sorry but that doesn't make any sense. Epic itself makes a public annual report with various statistics, including sales. Not per game, of course, but that seems somewhat unnecessary, no store does that.

Go put a game on the store and read the NDA to do so. Makes perfect sense. Even developers will say they cannot give you the exact numbers, as that video also showed. Why you'll never see the exact numbers from Epic, but Steam is fine.

Yet, you provide zero proof. And here we have a developer showing those numbers.

https://twitter.com/YvesHohler/status/1521024229340241920

You keep on making claims, yet show no proof for it what so ever.

[WolfEisberg]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Komarimaru:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Pierce Dalton:

https://www.pcgamer.com/satisfactory-dev-says-epic-games-store-hate-comes-from-a-loud-minority/

So they violated the NDA :WH3_greasus_rofl:

No exact numbers given and unrelated.

Try again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvKmQs6m_iY

he states 507,374

[Pierce Dalton]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Komarimaru:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Pierce Dalton:

https://www.pcgamer.com/satisfactory-dev-says-epic-games-store-hate-comes-from-a-loud-minority/

So they violated the NDA

No exact numbers given and unrelated.

Well, I must say that I'm intrigued, Komarimaru. How is it "unrelated" if you said that devs/pubs are not allowed to reveal sales numbers?

Btw, there's an hyperlink in that article that will take you to the EXACT numbers, but you didn't click it. It leads to this page:

https://www.pcgamer.com/satisfactory-sold-over-500000-copies-on-the-epic-store-says-developer/

Just in case you can't open the link, the number is 507,374.

[WolfEisberg]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Komarimaru:

Początkowo opublikowane przez WolfEisberg:

True, yet you aren't using facts.




Prove it. Show actual proof. Considering this developer did show numbers

https://twitter.com/YvesHohler/status/1521024229340241920

It indicates that there probably isn't. If you want to say it is a fact that they do, then prove it. Facts like this always include a source that absolutely shows it. You provided no source at all.



prove it.



Their game selling more on Steam does not mean that EGS selling less games on EGS is bad for them. What you are indicating here is that dev/pubs should ignore every single store on the PC except for Steam, ONLY releasing to Steam because none of those stores can get the same level of unit sales as Steam does, because you are saying its bad and makes it worse for them to have their games on Stores that sell significantly less than Steam.



What are you even talking about.



The point is is here we have a developer stating it is worth putting his game on EGS, despite that EGS had lower sales compared to Steam. It goes against your own argument, it shows a developer is happy he put his game on EGS. It absolutely helps my point, and goes against yours.

They have percentages, not exact details. And again, their graph shows you're wrong, the graph you posted.

The graph doesn't show I'm wrong at all, because it doesn't show he was harmed by having his game on EGS, it doesn't show it made things worse, it also doesn't show he is unhappy with being on EGS, in fact his own words stated it was worth being on EGS.

Also % still shows sales data, if an NDA exists as you are claiming, which you showed no proof of at all, then of course even talking about % would be against the NDA.

Heck the developer even stated some time later it was at 80k sales, so using the % one can figure out how many units sold on each store.

https://twitter.com/YvesHohler/status/1711028244281983440

so this goes against your unproven claim that Epic has an NDA that prevents talking about sales.

[Dopey Shepard]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Crazy Tiger:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Dopey Shepard:

1) Weird how your brilliant math yields no results when I try to look for updated list of games, with pcgamingwiki being seemingly the only real source of that, with updated list of games that are yet to be released. I think I'm gonna stick to that one, thanks. 1819 it is

You stick with an outdated list over an actual count in the EGS itself?

Please tell me how the list is outdated when it's literally the only real source of EGS game count, I checked the recent titles, it actually has games from 2024 that haven't even been released yet

[Gökyüzü]

So i checked my self filtered for only games so no dlc or expancion there only games.
There is 40 game per page
and there is 78 page
and there is 9 game at 78th page
(40*77)+9 =3089 games
Its basic math its kind a weird this is getting discussed this long.

Personaly i dont like xbox store because their platform uses alot of resource from your hardware. and EGS because they dont have many things steam has.. Steam is okay. and well toght in every aspect i can think of. But as i stated before im not gona pay %80-90 more because of steam i cant afford that. What i love is games and which platform is more understanding towards our country's customers i'm gonna buy my games from them.

I bought my games from Steam for years and i still have more games on Steam then any other platform i use. This doesnt make me againts Steam. Hell when Borderlands 3 relased exclusive to epic i was also get angry for it. And waited for Steam realse and buy it the day it relased.

Now im buying my games at Epic because i have compelling reasons this also doesnt make me Epic fan boy.

I tryed to read everything but for the last couple hour there was so many comments and i lost the thread

[Crazy Tiger]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Dopey Shepard:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Crazy Tiger:

You stick with an outdated list over an actual count in the EGS itself?

Please tell me how the list is outdated when it's literally the only real source of EGS game count, I checked the recent titles, it actually has games from 2024 that haven't even been released yet

The list is not correct. For example:
The list has F1 22 on it, yet the game is not for sale anymore on EGS.
The list does not have Berzerk Recharged on it, yet the game is for sale on EGS.

The EGS itself is the only real source of the EGS game count, not a poorly maintained 3rd party list.

[WolfEisberg]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Dopey Shepard:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Crazy Tiger:

You stick with an outdated list over an actual count in the EGS itself?

Please tell me how the list is outdated when it's literally the only real source of EGS game count, I checked the recent titles, it actually has games from 2024 that haven't even been released yet

Its not the only source of EGS game count, the store itself is literally the primary source of getting the game count. Your source isn't even complete at all, far from it, and I looked at some random games on EGS that have released in the last few months and they are missing like

Cave Digger 2

Thief

Deus Ex, any of them.

In fact if you look at the revision history, it hasn't been updated since May of 2023

https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/w/index.php?title=List_of_games_available_on_Epic_Games_Store&action=history

The games for 2024 that haven't released yet are games that have had a store page since before May 30 2023, the last time that page was updated.

So yes, your wiki link has literally been proven to be outdated by a lot.

You are best to use a primary source, using the actual store itself to see the game count.

[miakisfan]

As someone who uses the Epic Game Store as well as Steam and the EA App I don't hold grudges against any of the players. Have fun your way and don't worry about what others say.

People hating on gamers who use that platform says more about themselves then it does about the users ... but then again if you are posting Epic Games stuff here I can see where it would upset people. I'd say this probably belongs on the OT board rather than here on the discussion board.

Now if I am questioning Epic, EA, or Steam themselves that is a different story. I know there are people who have issues with each of the 3 I listed so that is something they should be in direct contact with the people who run said platforms instead of a forum which they either rarely use or don't use at all.

Not happy about Epic getting all that money from Disney. That makes me question whether or not I should continue using their store. That is for me to decide, though. I shouldn't be bringing it to the attention of others if it is my business alone to decide. I can see why people wouldn't like that if I am involving others in my decision making.

Personally I would rather just block you for doing it than hate on you for it. Good thing having an opinion matters to me instead.

[Komarimaru]

Początkowo opublikowane przez WolfEisberg:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Komarimaru:

No exact numbers given and unrelated.

Try again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvKmQs6m_iY

he states 507,374

And not once did he list the profit for said sales. Like I said. You'll never have a Dev release those numbers from Epic.

[WolfEisberg]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Komarimaru:

Początkowo opublikowane przez WolfEisberg:

Try again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvKmQs6m_iY

he states 507,374

And not once did he list the profit for said sales. Like I said. You'll never have a Dev release those numbers from Epic.

Lol, you keep moving the goal posts.

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

Początkowo opublikowane przez WolfEisberg:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Komarimaru:

And not once did he list the profit for said sales. Like I said. You'll never have a Dev release those numbers from Epic.

Lol, you keep moving the goal posts.

I mean he's not wrong tho, Coffee Stain indeed did not state their sales profits, just their sale amount of copies. To actually be correct, they never have either, they keep that information private.