Why hate epic game players ?

[Gökyüzü]

Since currency change(im from Turkey) im buyying my games from epic store.

And when i want to discuss something or ask some questions about the game i come to steam and open a topic about it. Then people starts to check my profile to see if i own the game or not. Then many people starts to harras me completely ignore what i am talking about and they gave me clown rewards.

I realy dont understand this. Why all this hate i didn't even done anything wrong.

[Pierce Dalton]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Komarimaru:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Pierce Dalton:

Well, you're not an OT regular, right? There's a guy there with 20 accounts or something. Heck, probably more now

Ok, and? How is that relevant in the slightest to the current topic? That's not a game hub, now is it? And you really expect someone like that, to invest $60-$70 dollars, multiple times, to troll the game hubs forums? I doubt it, since as stated, Steam tracks payment methods.

So, while you can use the same payment method, across multiple accounts, getting blocked on one account gets blocked on all with that payment method. Refunds would be denied rather quickly for abuse, even eventually purchasing power I suspect since would be fraud.

And that proves that money will not stop some people (especially if they can get that money back).

[Komarimaru]

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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Komarimaru:

Ok, and? How is that relevant in the slightest to the current topic? That's not a game hub, now is it? And you really expect someone like that, to invest $60-$70 dollars, multiple times, to troll the game hubs forums? I doubt it, since as stated, Steam tracks payment methods.

So, while you can use the same payment method, across multiple accounts, getting blocked on one account gets blocked on all with that payment method. Refunds would be denied rather quickly for abuse, even eventually purchasing power I suspect since would be fraud.

And that proves that money will not stop some people (especially if they can get that money back).

You didn't read my post, did you? The payment method would get revoked for refunds, across all accounts. And if done repeatedly, the payment method blocked due to fraud.

Reading helps.

[Pierce Dalton]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Komarimaru:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Pierce Dalton:

And that proves that money will not stop some people (especially if they can get that money back).

You didn't read my post, did you? The payment method would get revoked for refunds, across all accounts. And if done repeatedly, the payment method blocked due to fraud.

Reading helps.

I did, don't worry. Wishful thinking.

[Komarimaru]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Pierce Dalton:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Komarimaru:

You didn't read my post, did you? The payment method would get revoked for refunds, across all accounts. And if done repeatedly, the payment method blocked due to fraud.

Reading helps.

I did, don't worry. Wishful thinking.

Apparently not, since you totally glossed over what actually happens when such things occur on Steam.

Every week, there's a new thread on why someone can't get a refund anymore after ignoring the warnings from Steam for multiple refunds, or purchasing has been blocked until contact Steam Support etc etc.

It's oddly more strict on other platforms like GoG. They are very generous with their 30 day refund window, but if think you're abusing it, 1 and done. No more refund privileges.

[Pierce Dalton]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Komarimaru:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Pierce Dalton:

I did, don't worry. Wishful thinking.

Apparently not, since you totally glossed over what actually happens when such things occur on Steam.

Every week, there's a new thread on why someone can't get a refund anymore after ignoring the warnings from Steam for multiple refunds, or purchasing has been blocked until contact Steam Support etc etc.

It's oddly more strict on other platforms like GoG. They are very generous with their 30 day refund window, but if think you're abusing it, 1 and done. No more refund privileges.

You know that's completely different, the people you're mentioning made too many refunds on the same account.

[Gökyüzü]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Komarimaru:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Pierce Dalton:

Well, you're not an OT regular, right? There's a guy there with 20 accounts or something. Heck, probably more now :WH3_greasus_rofl:

Ok, and? How is that relevant in the slightest to the current topic? That's not a game hub, now is it? And you really expect someone like that, to invest $60-$70 dollars, multiple times, to troll the game hubs forums? I doubt it, since as stated, Steam tracks payment methods.

So, while you can use the same payment method, across multiple accounts, getting blocked on one account gets blocked on all with that payment method. Refunds would be denied rather quickly for abuse, even eventually purchasing power I suspect since would be fraud.

Something similar happends in r6 for years but their reasoning isnt for trolling they love smurfing and cheating there are acual real people with more then 50 account there. I know its not realy revelant to the topic but if people realy wants to do something amount of money they payed doesnt realy matter for them.

[Komarimaru]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Pierce Dalton:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Komarimaru:

Apparently not, since you totally glossed over what actually happens when such things occur on Steam.

Every week, there's a new thread on why someone can't get a refund anymore after ignoring the warnings from Steam for multiple refunds, or purchasing has been blocked until contact Steam Support etc etc.

It's oddly more strict on other platforms like GoG. They are very generous with their 30 day refund window, but if think you're abusing it, 1 and done. No more refund privileges.

You know that's completely different, the people you're mentioning made too many refunds on the same account.

Again, account isn't the only factor, payment method is as well. The fact you didn't know this, is quite amusing.

Or do you amusingly think, a payment method blocked on one account, would work on another, when it does not? People have tried this, many times.

Chargeback, payment method blocked, make new account, still unable to make purchases with said payment information. Same for refunds. Refund a bunch, get warnings and refunds denied. Make new account, buy many games to test, whoops... refunds blocked...

Welcome to knowledge you apparently never had.

[Pierce Dalton]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Komarimaru:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Pierce Dalton:

You know that's completely different, the people you're mentioning made too many refunds on the same account.

Again, account isn't the only factor, payment method is as well. The fact you didn't know this, is quite amusing.

Or do you amusingly think, a payment method blocked on one account, would work on another, when it does not? People have tried this, many times.

Chargeback, payment method blocked, make new account, still unable to make purchases with said payment information. Same for refunds. Refund a bunch, get warnings and refunds denied. Make new account, buy many games to test, whoops... refunds blocked...

Welcome to knowledge you apparently never had.

Well, you think I didn't know, and you're free to think whatever you want, that doesn't worry me. Chargeback? Why would they even do that?

You're forgetting something very important here, Komarimaru:

If you're within the 2 hours/14 days period, the refund process is completely automated. It only checks time played and date of purchase, nothing else. If someone is using the same payment method various times, on different accounts, who's going to notice it?

[Komarimaru]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Pierce Dalton:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Komarimaru:

Again, account isn't the only factor, payment method is as well. The fact you didn't know this, is quite amusing.

Or do you amusingly think, a payment method blocked on one account, would work on another, when it does not? People have tried this, many times.

Chargeback, payment method blocked, make new account, still unable to make purchases with said payment information. Same for refunds. Refund a bunch, get warnings and refunds denied. Make new account, buy many games to test, whoops... refunds blocked...

Welcome to knowledge you apparently never had.

Well, you think I didn't know, and you're free to think whatever you want, that doesn't worry me. Chargeback? Why would they even do that?

You're forgetting something very important here, Komarimaru:

If you're within the 2 hours/14 days period, the refund process is completely automated. It only checks time played and date of purchase, nothing else. If someone is using the same payment method various times, on different accounts, who's going to notice it?

The system does.

I am stuck with SWKOTOR 2 on Steam due to a mis purchase in my cart due to it.

During the Winter Sale, I let my niece use my card to purchase games. $250 limit. She of course went nuts. She refunded many of them, too many times. Eventually she was unable to refund and ignored the many warnings. Most that were refunded, were changed to Steam Wallet funds.

I discovered this, when bought SWKOTOR 2 by mistake, was like... Huh... I don't remember adding that to my cart, and don't need it since have it on GoG. Go to refund it. Denied due to too many refunds.

I hadn't done a refund on my account, in many years. Yet it was denied, due to the payment method.

So, welcome to reality. The denied is also automated. If it wasn't, people wouldn't be posting threads about it.

The the crappy thing was, no idea if the restriction is gone yet or not. Or if my account is flagged, or what. All I know, is I got denied a refund due to matching payment methods, two different accounts.

[Pierce Dalton]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Komarimaru:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Pierce Dalton:

Well, you think I didn't know, and you're free to think whatever you want, that doesn't worry me. Chargeback? Why would they even do that?

You're forgetting something very important here, Komarimaru:

If you're within the 2 hours/14 days period, the refund process is completely automated. It only checks time played and date of purchase, nothing else. If someone is using the same payment method various times, on different accounts, who's going to notice it?

She refunded many of them, too many times.

Well, your situation is completely different. I'm talking about one person making ONE refund per account, and you're forgetting that they can even use different payment methods. If you abuse refunds on the same account, obviously Steam will remove (whether temporarily or permanently) your ability to refund games, everyone knows that.

Anyway, as I've mentioned earlier, the restriction you propose is simply bad for business. It's common to see threads like "hey guys should I buy this game?" and obviously these people don't have the game yet.

[AntiGrieferGames]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Komarimaru:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από AntiGrieferGames:

But not everyone got drm, fall out 3 example does not have drm on epic while on steam they still have

Steam doesn't have DRM on Fallout 3.

It is, Steam-DRM. GOG doenst have DRM same on Epic. Have you checked on PCGW before?

[Tito Shivan]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Pierce Dalton:

Well, you're assuming they would be... obtuse enough to choose a payment method that can only be refunded to the Steam wallet. Some might be, but not all.

Note that choosing a method that can be refunded back to it doesn't guarantee the refund will be made back to the original payment method.

[Komarimaru]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από AntiGrieferGames:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Komarimaru:

Steam doesn't have DRM on Fallout 3.

It is, Steam-DRM. GOG doenst have DRM same on Epic. Have you checked on PCGW before?

Yes, and it tells you. That Fallout 3 had it's DRM removed, a long time ago.
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Fallout_3

Games for Windows - LIVE DRM was removed for GOG, Microsoft Store and Steam (v1.7.0.4) versions.

The Retail Disc version, unpatched and which isn't Steam's, has the DRM still.

[Pierce Dalton]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Tito Shivan:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Pierce Dalton:

Well, you're assuming they would be... obtuse enough to choose a payment method that can only be refunded to the Steam wallet. Some might be, but not all.

Note that choosing a method that can be refunded back to it doesn't guarantee the refund will be made back to the original payment method.

And why wouldn't it?

[Komarimaru]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Pierce Dalton:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Komarimaru:

She refunded many of them, too many times.

Well, your situation is completely different. I'm talking about one person making ONE refund per account, and you're forgetting that they can even use different payment methods. If you abuse refunds on the same account, obviously Steam will remove (whether temporarily or permanently) your ability to refund games, everyone knows that.

Anyway, as I've mentioned earlier, the restriction you propose is simply bad for business. It's common to see threads like "hey guys should I buy this game?" and obviously these people don't have the game yet.

How is it bad for business? Have one open section in forums is more than enough to ask questions.

That and you can simply read the forums, or read the reviews. You don't need to post, since can just use the search feature to find answers to your question 99% of the time.

And it proves that they track payment methods, not just account. Something you were not aware of apparently(hint, all businesses do this. Whole part of the fraud thing people protect against), so they can easily restrict refunds, no matter how many accounts you get and make. Thus, money being the deterrent would win, period. As has been proven with just a $5 limit on getting out of limited account status.