Why hate epic game players ?

[Gökyüzü]

Since currency change(im from Turkey) im buyying my games from epic store.

And when i want to discuss something or ask some questions about the game i come to steam and open a topic about it. Then people starts to check my profile to see if i own the game or not. Then many people starts to harras me completely ignore what i am talking about and they gave me clown rewards.

I realy dont understand this. Why all this hate i didn't even done anything wrong.

[The nameless Gamer]

Първоначално публикувано от Pierce Dalton:

Първоначално публикувано от The nameless Commander:

1) Much as I love modded games myself, I prefer bugs and glitches being fixed. Example: What use do I have from all the good mods for Warhammer 40.000 Dawn of War II - Retribution, if I'm getting the sound/video desync bug pretty much every session? (infamous crash which has never been addressed by Relic and happens QUITE often).

4- that's not a Steam problem. The modders themselves choose which game version to make the mods for and on which mod-site they'll upload. That's ENTIRELY up to the mod developer. If a mod is available only on the Steam Workshop and for the Steam version only, that's the modder's choice, not Valve's.

Well, I must say that I find the second paragraph of your post quite interesting. Doesn't the same apply to Epic and its exclusives? It's a choice of the devs, and if you were a dev maybe you would understand the logic behind it. First of all, making a game costs money, so making a game is a risky investment like any other. If you release your game on Steam, it may be a flop and all that investment goes down the drain. If you release your game at Epic, though, they'll pay you a fixed amount of money from the get go. This is the safe route for less popular games.

My attitude towards those who take Epic's deal has changed to a neutral one. I don't need to be a developer to understand the logic. In fact, the only ones I would still condemn are those who cheated their Kickstarter backers and did a bait&switch on them and gave them Epic keys instead of Steam ones. You promised keys on Steam , you deliver keys on Steam . That said, it's also my choice where I'll buy a game. So if the developer doesn't release a game on my preferred platform, I'm not getting it and that's it. I don't have anything against Epic Games but I am also don't have any motivation or incentive to use their store either. Though a functioning PC port of "Odin Sphere" or "Muramasa: The demon blade" would be an example of motivation.

[Tito Shivan]

Първоначално публикувано от WolfEisberg:

Supporting Steam also means supporting anti consumer practices

Same for Epic. EA, Ubisoft, Blizzard... Even GOG.

Corporations are all equal.

Първоначално публикувано от Sleepy Yoshi:

So we shop at places that we know have an anti-consumer policy or two.
We shop at places that we know treat employees poorly and/or underpay for the work done.
We shop at places that we know have a jackass of an owner.
We shop at places that we know profit off practices or behavior that's predatory.
Hell some people will shop at places knowing full well the product is made from child labor.

There's no true scotsman. Our society works the way it does and we cannot fully operate out of it. That doesn't mean we agree with the flaws within.

[WolfEisberg]

Първоначално публикувано от The nameless Commander:

Първоначално публикувано от WolfEisberg:

1- causes issues with modded games, people with limited time and slow Internet connections, people with low data caps.

4- the walled garden is the workshop itself, can't get access to mods on it if you don't own the Steam version. Many mods are on workshop only.

1) Much as I love modded games myself, I prefer bugs and glitches being fixed. Example: What use do I have from all the good mods for Warhammer 40.000 Dawn of War II - Retribution, if I'm getting the sound/video desync bug pretty much every session? (infamous crash which has never been addressed by Relic and happens QUITE often).

4- that's not a Steam problem. The modders themselves choose which game version to make the mods for and on which mod-site they'll upload. That's ENTIRELY up to the mod developer. If a mod is available only on the Steam Workshop and for the Steam version only, that's the modder's choice, not Valve's.

1- for all modded games, I extremely rarely had bugs with the game, making the forced updating preventing me from playing the game until the mod maker updates the mod.

4- it's Valves fault, they are the ones that designed the mod workshop as is and are the ones abusing easy convenience for their own greed which is anti consumer. They can easily open it up allowing anybody to download mods from it regardless of where the game was purchased. There used to be sites that would download the mods from Steam and then provide it to others at their own expense of storage space and bandwidth, Valve forced them to close.

[The nameless Gamer]

Първоначално публикувано от WolfEisberg:

Първоначално публикувано от The nameless Commander:

1) Much as I love modded games myself, I prefer bugs and glitches being fixed. Example: What use do I have from all the good mods for Warhammer 40.000 Dawn of War II - Retribution, if I'm getting the sound/video desync bug pretty much every session? (infamous crash which has never been addressed by Relic and happens QUITE often).

4- that's not a Steam problem. The modders themselves choose which game version to make the mods for and on which mod-site they'll upload. That's ENTIRELY up to the mod developer. If a mod is available only on the Steam Workshop and for the Steam version only, that's the modder's choice, not Valve's.

1- for all modded games, I extremely rarely had bugs with the game, making the forced updating preventing me from playing the game until the mod maker updates the mod.

4- it's Valves fault, they are the ones that designed the mod workshop as is and are the ones abusing easy convenience for their own greed which is anti consumer. They can easily open it up allowing anybody to download mods from it regardless of where the game was purchased. There used to be sites that would download the mods from Steam and then provide it to others at their own expense of storage space and bandwidth, Valve forced them to close.

1) so it boils down to individual experience. I in turn NEVER had trouble with Steam updates and mods.

4) Why is it Valve's fault if mod developers CHOOSE to use Steam's workshop? Valve has nothing from the Steam workshop, since mods are not being charged for. There's no profit for Valve to be had, it's a TOOL of convenience for many. Your games and the mods for them in one place.

[WolfEisberg]

Първоначално публикувано от The nameless Commander:

Първоначално публикувано от WolfEisberg:

1- for all modded games, I extremely rarely had bugs with the game, making the forced updating preventing me from playing the game until the mod maker updates the mod.

4- it's Valves fault, they are the ones that designed the mod workshop as is and are the ones abusing easy convenience for their own greed which is anti consumer. They can easily open it up allowing anybody to download mods from it regardless of where the game was purchased. There used to be sites that would download the mods from Steam and then provide it to others at their own expense of storage space and bandwidth, Valve forced them to close.

1) so it boils down to individual experience. I in turn NEVER had trouble with Steam updates and mods.

4) Why is it Valve's fault if mod developers CHOOSE to use Steam's workshop? Valve has nothing from the Steam workshop, since mods are not being charged for. There's no profit for Valve to be had, it's a TOOL of convenience for many. Your games and the mods for them in one place.

You said absolutely nothing to defend Valve here. For both of those things, Valve has absolute control in how they work and they can easily change things instead of being one of the biggest anti consumer parasites in PC gaming and THE most anti consumer PC game store, so yes it is their fault because they are the ones that designed it that way.

[The nameless Gamer]

Първоначално публикувано от WolfEisberg:

Първоначално публикувано от The nameless Commander:

1) so it boils down to individual experience. I in turn NEVER had trouble with Steam updates and mods.

4) Why is it Valve's fault if mod developers CHOOSE to use Steam's workshop? Valve has nothing from the Steam workshop, since mods are not being charged for. There's no profit for Valve to be had, it's a TOOL of convenience for many. Your games and the mods for them in one place.

You said absolutely nothing to defend Valve here. For both of those things, Valve has absolute control in how they work and they can easily change things instead of being one of the biggest anti consumer parasites in PC gaming and THE most anti consumer PC game store, so yes it is their fault because they are the ones that designed it that way.

I am not defending Valve, for I see no attack to begin with. You don't like their store? That's OK, you're free to use others. You can call Valve names all you want, they provide a service I am satisfied with so you won't change my mind. If it wasn't for Steam, I would not be having 99% of my game library. But if you don't like what they provide, you don't have to use their services. Yet here you are. Make up your mind and put your money where your mouth is.

[Karumati]

steam is simply better.

[Leegh al Gaib]

I have nothing against Epic Store users, but I do have something against store exclusives.

If it's made by the store owner themselves I guess it's fair game (Valve's own titles can't be bought on any other PC store after all) but a game like Alan Wake 2 (which I really want) shouldn't be limited to Epic. It's also annoying to use multiple stores because it fragments your game library.

If you believe the consumer should have free choice in what store or platform they can use they shouldn't be limited in their product choices either. Even Sony and Microsoft are starting to open up their console store exclusives to the PC platform now so there's no excuse anymore.

P.S. The 'game ownership' forum tag is sorta important if people want to verify that you own the game or not.

[Pierce Dalton]

Първоначално публикувано от Leegh of Legends:

I have nothing against Epic Store users, but I do have something against store exclusives.

If it's made by the store owner themselves I guess it's fair game (Valve's own titles can't be bought on any other PC store after all) but a game like Alan Wake 2 (which I really want) shouldn't be limited to Epic. It's also annoying to use multiple stores because it fragments your game library.

If you believe the consumer should have free choice in what store or platform they can use they shouldn't be limited in their product choices either. Even Sony and Microsoft are starting to open up their console store exclusives to the PC platform now so there's no excuse anymore.

P.S. The 'game ownership' forum tag is sorta important if people want to verify that you own the game or not.

AW2 wouldn't even exist if it weren't for them. The game was made by Remedy but it was Epic that funded all the development, just like Take Two is funding the Max Payne remakes.

[Pierce Dalton]

Първоначално публикувано от The nameless Commander:

Първоначално публикувано от WolfEisberg:

You said absolutely nothing to defend Valve here. For both of those things, Valve has absolute control in how they work and they can easily change things instead of being one of the biggest anti consumer parasites in PC gaming and THE most anti consumer PC game store, so yes it is their fault because they are the ones that designed it that way.

I am not defending Valve, for I see no attack to begin with. You don't like their store? That's OK, you're free to use others. You can call Valve names all you want, they provide a service I am satisfied with so you won't change my mind. If it wasn't for Steam, I would not be having 99% of my game library. But if you don't like what they provide, you don't have to use their services. Yet here you are. Make up your mind and put your money where your mouth is.

Well, keys are a thing, just because you're playing a game on Steam that doesn't mean you purchased it from Steam. As with everything, though, there are exceptions to that and if you want to play certain games you really don't have any choice but to purchase it from Steam.

[The nameless Gamer]

Първоначално публикувано от Pierce Dalton:

Първоначално публикувано от The nameless Commander:

I am not defending Valve, for I see no attack to begin with. You don't like their store? That's OK, you're free to use others. You can call Valve names all you want, they provide a service I am satisfied with so you won't change my mind. If it wasn't for Steam, I would not be having 99% of my game library. But if you don't like what they provide, you don't have to use their services. Yet here you are. Make up your mind and put your money where your mouth is.

Well, keys are a thing, just because you're playing a game on Steam that doesn't mean you purchased it from Steam. As with everything, though, there are exceptions to that and if you want to play certain games you really don't have any choice but to purchase it from Steam.

That's not Valve's fault. Valve are NOT paying developers and publishers to exclude other platforms nor are they in any other way trying to prevent them to distribute on other stores. If a game is not available outside of Steam, that's 1) A game MADE by Valve and 2) not available elsewhere by the developer's/publisher's own choice. Epic can do 3rd-party exclusives, it's their choice. But it's also the customer's choice NOT to buy into such practices.

[Pierce Dalton]

Първоначално публикувано от The nameless Commander:

Първоначално публикувано от Pierce Dalton:

Well, keys are a thing, just because you're playing a game on Steam that doesn't mean you purchased it from Steam. As with everything, though, there are exceptions to that and if you want to play certain games you really don't have any choice but to purchase it from Steam.

That's not Valve's fault. Valve are NOT paying developers and publishers to exclude other platforms nor are they in any other way trying to prevent them to distribute on other stores. If a game is not available outside of Steam, that's 1) A game MADE by Valve and 2) not available elsewhere by the developer's/publisher's own choice. Epic can do 3rd-party exclusives, it's their choice. But it's also the customer's choice NOT to buy into such practices.

Keep in mind that contracts are not public, so that's something you'll never know. It's not like they would tell you, because it would be bad for their reputation. Valve doesn't even need to pay anyone for that, they can simply lower their cut in exchange.

[Leegh al Gaib]

Първоначално публикувано от Pierce Dalton:

Първоначално публикувано от Leegh of Legends:

I have nothing against Epic Store users, but I do have something against store exclusives.

If it's made by the store owner themselves I guess it's fair game (Valve's own titles can't be bought on any other PC store after all) but a game like Alan Wake 2 (which I really want) shouldn't be limited to Epic. It's also annoying to use multiple stores because it fragments your game library.

If you believe the consumer should have free choice in what store or platform they can use they shouldn't be limited in their product choices either. Even Sony and Microsoft are starting to open up their console store exclusives to the PC platform now so there's no excuse anymore.

P.S. The 'game ownership' forum tag is sorta important if people want to verify that you own the game or not.

AW2 wouldn't even exist if it weren't for them. The game was made by Remedy but it was Epic that funded all the development, just like Take Two is funding the Max Payne remakes.

So? EA, Microsoft, and Sony fund heaps of titles that aren't store exclusives. CD Projekt Red's own in-house games aren't limited to the GOG store. And the vast majority of Take Two published games are not only on one store.

Like I said, there's no excuse anymore.

[Pierce Dalton]

Първоначално публикувано от Leegh of Legends:

Първоначално публикувано от Pierce Dalton:

AW2 wouldn't even exist if it weren't for them. The game was made by Remedy but it was Epic that funded all the development, just like Take Two is funding the Max Payne remakes.

So? EA, Microsoft, and Sony fund heaps of titles that aren't store exclusives. CD Projekt Red's own in-house games aren't limited to the GOG store. And the vast majority of Take Two published games are not only on one store.

Like I said, there's no excuse anymore.

So it's their right to do that. If CDPR wanted to make Cyberpunk a GOG exclusive, they would be in their right too.

[Leegh al Gaib]

Първоначално публикувано от Pierce Dalton:

Първоначално публикувано от Leegh of Legends:

So? EA, Microsoft, and Sony fund heaps of titles that aren't store exclusives. CD Projekt Red's own in-house games aren't limited to the GOG store. And the vast majority of Take Two published games are not only on one store.

Like I said, there's no excuse anymore.

So it's their right to do that. If CDPR wanted to make Cyberpunk a GOG exclusive, they would be in their right too.

And it's my right to dislike and criticize it when I can buy the same title on a preferred alternative store. You can defend Epic all you want (and I know you are) but it doesn't change the fact that CDPR doesn't make Cyberpunk a GOG exclusive. Not mention it's a false equivalence because, as you admitted yourself, Epic did not develop Alan Wake 2, and furthermore, all of Remedy's other titles are not store exclusives.