Why hate epic game players ?
Since currency change(im from Turkey) im buyying my games from epic store.

And when i want to discuss something or ask some questions about the game i come to steam and open a topic about it. Then people starts to check my profile to see if i own the game or not. Then many people starts to harras me completely ignore what i am talking about and they gave me clown rewards.

I realy dont understand this. Why all this hate i didn't even done anything wrong.
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Because of a higher revenue share? None that I know of have stated it.

You are missing the point. Currently vast majority of sales are being made through monopolies or near monopolies that all charge a 30% revenue take. If these stores would stop being greedy and take a more reasonable share of around 15%, of course there will be developers that would be able to make better games due to getting more money for their games which they can use to increase the development budget of their games.

Now they're reinvesting at least just a portion of that revenue sharing. Now your're getting closer and closer to how things work in reality.

I never said it would be 100%, but you certainly were implying that nobody would reinvest even a portion of the more money from higher revenue share into their future projects.
WolfEisberg původně napsal:
So absolutely no developer has ever made a better game, compared to previous game, due to having a higher budget, in the entire history of gaming?

If budget size would reflect quality, then Activision and Ubisoft games would be the pinnacle. And Forspoken would not have been COMPLETELY out-sold and outperformed by Hi-Fi Rush. It's not the budget size, it's how you use it.

Look, I really don't have beef with Epic and if a 12% cut for the store front was possible, that'd be great. But right now, Steam simply offers better tools for games to be found. Search filters, recommendation algorithm, user reviews (many of them ARE useless but there is no more honest review than from a person who PAID for the product), Steam Curators... what is Epic doing to shed more light onto games except getting developers branded as sellouts for taking their exclusivity deal? Are they doing extra promotions? Do they have events similar to Steam's Next Fest and other various similar events? Do they help games be more noticed in any way on their own platform? It's not a rhetorical question, I'm asking because I don't know. Right now, Steam strikes me as a much better platform for a game to be NOTICED on.
The nameless Commander původně napsal:
So absolutely no developer has ever made a better game, compared to previous game, due to having a higher budget, in the entire history of gaming?

If budget size would reflect quality, then Activision and Ubisoft games would be the pinnacle. And Forspoken would not have been COMPLETELY out-sold and outperformed by Hi-Fi Rush. It's not the budget size, it's how you use it.

Didn't say it was a guarantee. But we can't deny that there would be developers that would rise to the challenge and be able to make better games if they got higher revenue share.

Look, I really don't have beef with Epic and if a 12% cut for the store front was possible, that'd be great. But right now, Steam simply offers better tools for games to be found. Search filters, recommendation algorithm, user reviews (many of them ARE useless but there is no more honest review than from a person who PAID for the product), Steam Curators... what is Epic doing to shed more light onto games except getting developers branded as sellouts for taking their exclusivity deal? Are they doing extra promotions? Do they have events similar to Steam's Next Fest and other various similar events? Do they help games be more noticed in any way on their own platform? It's not a rhetorical question, I'm asking because I don't know. Right now, Steam strikes me as a much better platform for a game to be NOTICED on.

Epic greatly concentrates on using social media to get games discovered, especially through their Support a Creator program that developers have access to, to gain easier access to 50k content creators to sends EGS keys to them so they play it on their videos/streams. They also have articles on EGS itself where the writers are talking about various topics that also help put a spotlight on many games.
WolfEisberg původně napsal:
The nameless Commander původně napsal:
So absolutely no developer has ever made a better game, compared to previous game, due to having a higher budget, in the entire history of gaming?

If budget size would reflect quality, then Activision and Ubisoft games would be the pinnacle. And Forspoken would not have been COMPLETELY out-sold and outperformed by Hi-Fi Rush. It's not the budget size, it's how you use it.

Didn't say it was a guarantee. But we can't deny that there would be developers that would rise to the challenge and be able to make better games if they got higher revenue share.

Look, I really don't have beef with Epic and if a 12% cut for the store front was possible, that'd be great. But right now, Steam simply offers better tools for games to be found. Search filters, recommendation algorithm, user reviews (many of them ARE useless but there is no more honest review than from a person who PAID for the product), Steam Curators... what is Epic doing to shed more light onto games except getting developers branded as sellouts for taking their exclusivity deal? Are they doing extra promotions? Do they have events similar to Steam's Next Fest and other various similar events? Do they help games be more noticed in any way on their own platform? It's not a rhetorical question, I'm asking because I don't know. Right now, Steam strikes me as a much better platform for a game to be NOTICED on.

Epic greatly concentrates on using social media to get games discovered, especially through their Support a Creator program that developers have access to, to gain easier access to 50k content creators to sends EGS keys to them so they play it on their videos/streams. They also have articles on EGS itself where the writers are talking about various topics that also help put a spotlight on many games.

Social media. I asked on their OWN PLATFORM specifically. I don't use social media, nor do any of my friends. What is Epic doing to help discover games and it doesn't involve Facebook, Twitter and Reddit?
The nameless Commander původně napsal:
WolfEisberg původně napsal:

Didn't say it was a guarantee. But we can't deny that there would be developers that would rise to the challenge and be able to make better games if they got higher revenue share.



Epic greatly concentrates on using social media to get games discovered, especially through their Support a Creator program that developers have access to, to gain easier access to 50k content creators to sends EGS keys to them so they play it on their videos/streams. They also have articles on EGS itself where the writers are talking about various topics that also help put a spotlight on many games.

Social media. I asked on their OWN PLATFORM specifically. I don't use social media, nor do any of my friends. What is Epic doing to help discover games and it doesn't involve Facebook, Twitter and Reddit?

You can simply click a tag, dude. If you want to discover new racing games then click the racing tag. You can also sort games by new, meaning that recent releases will be on page 1.
The nameless Commander původně napsal:
WolfEisberg původně napsal:

Didn't say it was a guarantee. But we can't deny that there would be developers that would rise to the challenge and be able to make better games if they got higher revenue share.



Epic greatly concentrates on using social media to get games discovered, especially through their Support a Creator program that developers have access to, to gain easier access to 50k content creators to sends EGS keys to them so they play it on their videos/streams. They also have articles on EGS itself where the writers are talking about various topics that also help put a spotlight on many games.

Social media. I asked on their OWN PLATFORM specifically. I don't use social media, nor do any of my friends. What is Epic doing to help discover games and it doesn't involve Facebook, Twitter and Reddit?

But here is the thing, Epic has publicly stated they believe that social media is the best tool for game discovery, and they are not wrong, games like Vampire Survivor and Among Us became huge successes because of twitch/youtube. So Epic's effort goes towards social media.
Pierce Dalton původně napsal:
The nameless Commander původně napsal:

Social media. I asked on their OWN PLATFORM specifically. I don't use social media, nor do any of my friends. What is Epic doing to help discover games and it doesn't involve Facebook, Twitter and Reddit?

You can simply click a tag, dude. If you want to discover new racing games then click the racing tag. You can also sort games by new, meaning that recent releases will be on page 1.

Steam lets me select MULTIPLE tags. Thanks to its system, I managed to find something VERY specific. I was looking for a game similar to "Muramasa: the demon blade". So I entered the tags: "Side Scroller", "Hand-drawn" and "Spectacle fighter". And I found it in "Helvetii". One tag often isn't enough and that's assuming the games are tagged correctly and the tag exists to begin with. GOG doesn't have an RTS and Metroidvania tag, for example.
WolfEisberg původně napsal:
The nameless Commander původně napsal:

Social media. I asked on their OWN PLATFORM specifically. I don't use social media, nor do any of my friends. What is Epic doing to help discover games and it doesn't involve Facebook, Twitter and Reddit?

But here is the thing, Epic has publicly stated they believe that social media is the best tool for game discovery, and they are not wrong, games like Vampire Survivor and Among Us became huge successes because of twitch/youtube. So Epic's effort goes towards social media.

And that's true for Steam games too... many indie games became popular thanks to YouTubers, because their initial visibility on Steam is very low.
The nameless Commander původně napsal:
Pierce Dalton původně napsal:

You can simply click a tag, dude. If you want to discover new racing games then click the racing tag. You can also sort games by new, meaning that recent releases will be on page 1.

Steam lets me select MULTIPLE tags. Thanks to its system, I managed to find something VERY specific. I was looking for a game similar to "Muramasa: the demon blade". So I entered the tags: "Side Scroller", "Hand-drawn" and "Spectacle fighter". And I found it in "Helvetii". One tag often isn't enough and that's assuming the games are tagged correctly and the tag exists to begin with. GOG doesn't have an RTS and Metroidvania tag, for example.

Can select multiple on EGS too.
The nameless Commander původně napsal:
Pierce Dalton původně napsal:

You can simply click a tag, dude. If you want to discover new racing games then click the racing tag. You can also sort games by new, meaning that recent releases will be on page 1.

Steam lets me select MULTIPLE tags.

Cool, so does Epic.
WolfEisberg původně napsal:
The nameless Commander původně napsal:

Social media. I asked on their OWN PLATFORM specifically. I don't use social media, nor do any of my friends. What is Epic doing to help discover games and it doesn't involve Facebook, Twitter and Reddit?

But here is the thing, Epic has publicly stated they believe that social media is the best tool for game discovery, and they are not wrong, games like Vampire Survivor and Among Us became huge successes because of twitch/youtube. So Epic's effort goes towards social media.

More power to them and people who use social media. Developers can use social media without Epic's or Steam's help but Steam provides additional visibility through the aforementioned tools. Steam still being the first choice of an overwhelming number of indie developers speaks for itself. That said, I see no harm in them distributing through Epic too, quite the opposite. I mean, the more platforms, the better. I hope Epic learned something from the debacle they made with the developer of "Darq", who refused their exclusivity deal and thus Epic did not let him distribute the game on their platform. If it wasn't for those exclusivity deals and all the negative clout around them, we wouldn't be having these Epic-related discussions.
Pierce Dalton původně napsal:
The nameless Commander původně napsal:

Social media. I asked on their OWN PLATFORM specifically. I don't use social media, nor do any of my friends. What is Epic doing to help discover games and it doesn't involve Facebook, Twitter and Reddit?

You can simply click a tag, dude. If you want to discover new racing games then click the racing tag. You can also sort games by new, meaning that recent releases will be on page 1.

To be fair many tags are still missing and many of them shows wrong games specialy at rpg tags
Gökyüzü původně napsal:
Pierce Dalton původně napsal:

You can simply click a tag, dude. If you want to discover new racing games then click the racing tag. You can also sort games by new, meaning that recent releases will be on page 1.

To be fair many tags are still missing and many of them shows wrong games specialy at rpg tags

A few more tags wouldn't hurt, but honestly that's the kind of thing that's better to keep simple imo. Steam has too many tags and some of them don't make any sense, like "atmospheric". I mean, what the heck is an atmospheric game?

Wrong games are a common thing on Steam too...
Pierce Dalton původně napsal:
Gökyüzü původně napsal:

To be fair many tags are still missing and many of them shows wrong games specialy at rpg tags

A few more tags wouldn't hurt, but honestly that's the kind of thing that's better to keep simple imo. Steam has too many tags and some of them don't make any sense, like "atmospheric". I mean, what the heck is an atmospheric game?

Wrong games are a common thing on Steam too...

The tags on Steam, despite some wrong application and obvious trolling, still help a lot more often than not. Chalk it up to tags being applied by users, though the developers still seem to clean up the tagging, at least according to SteamDB. That said, Steam took a long time to get it right, so as long as the other platforms are working on improving their own tag systems, that's only a plus.
What next- GOG discussions here?
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