Why hate epic game players ?

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Since currency change(im from Turkey) im buyying my games from epic store.

And when i want to discuss something or ask some questions about the game i come to steam and open a topic about it. Then people starts to check my profile to see if i own the game or not. Then many people starts to harras me completely ignore what i am talking about and they gave me clown rewards.

I realy dont understand this. Why all this hate i didn't even done anything wrong.

[Tito Shivan]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Pierce Dalton:

Withdrawal? From what? Please elaborate, Tito.

From being showered in free games.

One day Epic's faucet will dry.

[Pierce Dalton]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Tito Shivan:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Pierce Dalton:

Withdrawal? From what? Please elaborate, Tito.

From being showered in free games.

One day Epic's faucet will dry.

Well, that's fine by me, I got enough. And I've never enjoyed "being showered in free games", in reality I could be described as quite picky.

[Aluvard]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Pierce Dalton:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Aluvard:

You're right, my mistake by data. But still we're speaking about different eras - retail gaming in 2010 was still a thing. Sun was fading for them, but PC retail still had bigger revenue than Steam at the time.

https://www.vgchartz.com/article/84906/retail-and-digital-software-sales-over-33-billion-in-2010/

Well, it's important to keep in mind that back then Valve also sold physical games... not to mention other devs/pubs sold physical games with activation on Steam (I even have some). That means part of the retail revenue went to Valve.

I agree, I've them too. Still I think that retail was a big factor that shouldn't be skipped, if we want to compare any data from that time. Let's keep in mind that lot of games were standalone's with DRM in form of GfWL, Securom etc.

Personally, I think that "death" of retail sales spearheaded easing game release process, which directly contributed into more games for us.
That's why I think that comparing first 5 years without taking into account all related factors, may lead to obtaining false conclusions.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Pierce Dalton:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Tito Shivan:

From being showered in free games.

One day Epic's faucet will dry.

Well, that's fine by me, I got enough. And I've never enjoyed "being showered in free games", in reality I could be described as quite picky.

I don't care about EGS free games (no "pro" nor "con" opinion here) but I think, that question is - Will be EGS able to stay afloat if they end this program?

[Pierce Dalton]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Aluvard:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Pierce Dalton:

Well, it's important to keep in mind that back then Valve also sold physical games... not to mention other devs/pubs sold physical games with activation on Steam (I even have some). That means part of the retail revenue went to Valve.

I agree, I've them too. Still I think that retail was a big factor that shouldn't be skipped, if we want to compare any data from that time. Let's keep in mind that lot of games were standalone's with DRM in form of GfWL, Securom etc.

Personally, I think that "death" of retail sales spearheaded easing game release process, which directly contributed into more games for us.
That's why I think that comparing first 5 years without taking into account all related factors, may lead to obtaining false conclusions.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Pierce Dalton:

Well, that's fine by me, I got enough. And I've never enjoyed "being showered in free games", in reality I could be described as quite picky.

I don't care about EGS free games (no "pro" nor "con" opinion here) but I think, that question is - Will be EGS able to stay afloat if they end this program?

Yes, thanks to Fortnite. That's their Counter Strike.

[76561197960287930]

Here is to hoping "One day Steam;s faucet will dry."

Tired of being showered in trash, lack of curation of trash, lack of moderation of trash, scams, fake reviews, spam curators, assets flips, low effort.

EPIC's gone the way of conform, following federal laws, COPPA, and at least trying to protect its customers and younger users from trash. Implementing ESRB, unlike Valve who lets no name dev claim ESRB accreditation on store pages with no validation.

When are reported group chat rooms used for illegal phishing url scammers going to dry up on Steam?
When are fake, spam, copy paste, meme, illegal deceptive user reviews going to dry up on Steam?

Ain't got to put up with that ♥♥♥♥ on EPIC, so hate it all you want.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Pierce Dalton:

Yes, thanks to Fortnite. That's their Counter Strike.

Ya waiting patiently for their EPIC 2023 in review stats. Show me where Forrtnite has a review system that is abused with spam positive user reviews from bot accounts every week like CS2?

Do you want me to show you and the FTC CS2's user review fraud or is that a violation of Steam's rules and guidelines. reviews manipulations? Already showing the fraud to the FTC.

Hey FTC / IC3 . gov if you want to get scammed / account hijacked from web site forgery on Steam hop in here.

https://steamcommunity.com/chat/invite/SJyhhU6e

Show me on EPIC where they allow such things? I dare you.

[Tito Shivan]

Oprindeligt skrevet af 76561197960287930:

EPIC's gone the way of conform, following laws, COPPA

Only after paying a $520 million settlement for, ironically, not complying with COPPA and using 'manipulative online practices to trick players of all ages into making unintended purchases'.

I'm just giving you the same advice about Epic than I give here about Steam.

Epic is not your girlfriend.

[76561197960287930]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Tito Shivan:

Oprindeligt skrevet af 76561197960287930:

EPIC's gone the way of conform, following laws, COPPA

Only after paying a $520 million settlement for, ironically, not complying with COPPA and using 'manipulative online practices to trick players of all ages into making unintended purchases'.

I'm just giving you the same advice about Epic than I give here about Steam.

Epic is not your girlfriend.

Yes I know they paid fines, Valve woukd fight them, like they do everything else. Intead of doing what is right. Philanthropy my ass.

And nor is Steam your girlfriend, former Steam moderator,

Steam will hopefully be paying fines soon, with enough reports to the feds. So keep towing Steam + Valve line in your moderation retirement.

For at least as ♥♥♥♥♥♥ as people think Sweeney is, he saw the writing on the wall in regards to the fed and consumer protection violations, AND PAID UP. You jealous?

I honestly don't think Gabe Newell is that smart. I mean he didn't even finish college did he?

College isn't any indication, common sense. Valve and Newel don't exhibit any regardless.
Intelligent folks sometimes lack common sense. Bring on BCI Mr. Newell? Only as smart as the programmers and coders. Automated / weighted, user reports, banning = VR = still a fad.

[Tito Shivan]

Oprindeligt skrevet af 76561197960287930:

For at least as ♥♥♥♥♥♥ as people think Sweeney is, he saw the writing on the wall in regards to the fed and consumer protection.

The settlement speaks otherwise in that regard. More like he tried to game the system as much as he could until he got caught, and paid his way out of a bigger lawsuit.

As of today, Epic isn't still showing me signs of being a place I want my money to be involved with.
I thought the same about Stadia back in 2019 (and turned out to be right, was a very safe bet TBH). it took years for Origin and EA to earn some of my trust back and made me consider spending money again on their games and service.

Steam and key sites as Humble have been very reliable as services for me for a long time. They day they stop being serviceable I'll move my business elsewhere. My 'brand loyalty' reaches as far as I get my money worth out of it.

Just don't fool yourself into thinking Epic's grass is greener. It always is at the other side of the fence.

[76561197960287930]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Tito Shivan:

Oprindeligt skrevet af 76561197960287930:

For at least as ♥♥♥♥♥♥ as people think Sweeney is, he saw the writing on the wall in regards to the fed and consumer protection.

The settlement speaks otherwise in that regard. More like he tried to game the system as much as he could until he got caught, and paid his way out of a bigger lawsuit.

As of today, Epic isn't still showing me signs of being a place I want my money to be involved with.
I thought the same about Stadia back in 2019 (and turned out to be right, was a very safe bet TBH). it took years for Origin and EA to earn some of my trust back and made me consider spending money again on their games and service.

Steam and key sites as Humble have been very reliable as services for me for a long time. They day they stop being serviceable I'll move my business elsewhere. My 'brand loyalty' reaches as far as I get my money worth out of it.

Just don't fool yourself into thinking Epic's grass is greener. It always is at the other side of the fence.

What? And Valve and Steam is not trying game the system, with regard to laws, domestic and international Section 230, with lack of regard to fake user reviews, fake ESRB, and user chat scams on their own platform?

Like I said common sense not so common. Keep trying to game controlled narrative in Valves favor. And we'll see how it pans out.

The moment EPIC is allowing fake /bot user reviews for Fortnite on its own platform for skewed store review scores or other games or allowing, chat rooms within its platform geared at scammers posting Russian or Chinese or any other phishing attacks on its users from within its own platform, I'm calling foul on them too.

I mean far be it from Valve to introduce protected kids cabin accounts like EPIC affter paying fines, because they haven't been sued by the FTC yet. The best Valve and Steam can do are Family View, right? I don't imagine that exactly equates to being fully COPPA compliant. But we'll see.

Because here is a firm that says 13 above, and then recommends that parents set up kids account around COPPA. lol GG!

https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/6B1A-66BE-E911-3D98

What is said about COPPA in Steam Subscriber Agreement / Privay Policy?

FTC proposes enhanced protections for kids online. Where do you stand?

[BLOOD ASYLUM]

Epic is far superior to steam. Steam lets devs lie on forums, ban for whatever reason (complaining about a game), steam lets early access scams go unchecked, steam will then hold dev game forum bans against your steam community account despite saying the devs operations are independent from steam itself.

Long story short, steam lies to you, the game devs lie to you, and the devs eat the costs.

Epic gives more money to the devs, they give ya free games, and don't pretend to have "Discussions." They just aren't there. Epic customer support is far far away better than steam. They stayed in constant communication with me on a Robocop issue.

Not to mention all the junk sex games on here. They'll let ya see and play as animals having sex, or hitler having sex, but don't you dare complain about it.

[76561197960287930]

Oprindeligt skrevet af BLOOD ASYLUM:

Epic is far superior to steam. Steam lets devs lie on forums, ban for whatever reason (complaining about a game), steam lets early access scams go unchecked, steam will then hold dev game forum bans against your steam community account despite saying the devs operations are independent from steam itself.

Long story short, steam lies to you, the game devs lie to you, and the devs eat the costs.

Epic gives more money to the devs, they give ya free games, and don't pretend to have "Discussions." They just aren't there. Epic customer support is far far away better than steam. They stayed in constant communication with me on a Robocop issue.

Not to mention all the junk sex games on here. They'll let ya see and play as animals having sex, or hitler having sex, but don't you dare complain about it.

+1 I whole hardheartedly agree. So ban me. This is the Steam experience. I expect no less.

In all seriousness just do better Valve. And not in Valve Time. That's all anyone really asks
Ask yourselves wtf are you are really doing. Protect consumers from bad actors. Is it really worth it to get a bad - rep.

Oh right - rep don't count on Steam or against Valve or Steam. Let me use something they know. Unaccredited BBB Better Business Bureau " F"

because, there are unaccredited businesses that may still maintain an A rating based on their interactions with customers and complaint resolution, right Valve?

[The nameless Gamer]

Oprindeligt skrevet af BLOOD ASYLUM:

Epic is far superior to steam. Steam lets devs lie on forums, ban for whatever reason (complaining about a game), steam lets early access scams go unchecked, steam will then hold dev game forum bans against your steam community account despite saying the devs operations are independent from steam itself.

Long story short, steam lies to you, the game devs lie to you, and the devs eat the costs.

Epic gives more money to the devs, they give ya free games, and don't pretend to have "Discussions." They just aren't there. Epic customer support is far far away better than steam. They stayed in constant communication with me on a Robocop issue.

Not to mention all the junk sex games on here. They'll let ya see and play as animals having sex, or hitler having sex, but don't you dare complain about it.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

[BLOOD ASYLUM]

Oprindeligt skrevet af The nameless Commander:

Oprindeligt skrevet af BLOOD ASYLUM:

Epic is far superior to steam. Steam lets devs lie on forums, ban for whatever reason (complaining about a game), steam lets early access scams go unchecked, steam will then hold dev game forum bans against your steam community account despite saying the devs operations are independent from steam itself.

Long story short, steam lies to you, the game devs lie to you, and the devs eat the costs.

Epic gives more money to the devs, they give ya free games, and don't pretend to have "Discussions." They just aren't there. Epic customer support is far far away better than steam. They stayed in constant communication with me on a Robocop issue.

Not to mention all the junk sex games on here. They'll let ya see and play as animals having sex, or hitler having sex, but don't you dare complain about it.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

I shut it with my hip

[The nameless Gamer]

Oprindeligt skrevet af BLOOD ASYLUM:

Oprindeligt skrevet af The nameless Commander:

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

I shut it with my hip

That's bad manners. Doors have handles for a reason. Edit: No shortage of people complaining about Steam yet roaming the forums just for the sake of complaining. If you shut the door, why are you still yelling through it?

[BLOOD ASYLUM]

Oprindeligt skrevet af The nameless Commander:

Oprindeligt skrevet af BLOOD ASYLUM:

I shut it with my hip

That's bad manners. Doors have handles for a reason. Edit: No shortage of people complaining about Steam yet roaming the forums just for the sake of complaining. If you shut the door, why are you still yelling through it?

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