Steam weaponizing the review/recommendation system.
If you acquired your game on Humble Bundle or through another steam key reseller, your Steam review will not count towards the overall rating.

It shouldn't matter where you purchased the game, a recommendation is a recommendation, as long as it's in your Steam library, your review should count.

Today, for example, was the release of Helldivers 2, a game that has been selling remarkably well on Humble Bundle... None of those reviews will count for the overall rating.

I don't need to explain why this is problematic.

Just another issue to add to the growing list of concerns regarding Steam's review/recommendation system.
Messaggio originale di greenraven22:
Messaggio originale di JamesF0790:
Messaggio originale di __++__==:

Valve = greed
As in it's a corporation run for profit? Yeah, Yeah it is. I didn't think it was run out of the goodness of Gabe's heart.

Profit is fine. Dishonest profit is something else. Valve is currently in multiple courtrooms trying to defend their predatory anti-consumer business practices.

Remember when you could see the number of downvotes?

Remember when a game's score wasn't skewed based on some vague "off topic" criteria?

Remember when you could buy a game and keep it in your inventory to trade for later?

Remember when purchasing something from the store didn't require you to lock in your name and address?

Remember when game prices weren't geo-locked?

Remember when Valve didn't take 30% of the profits from smaller game studios?
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Messaggio originale di brian9824:
Messaggio originale di FOXDUDE69:

That's not really the same now, is it?


You seem to not be familiar with the basic operations of steam. You are aware that steam requires developers to maintain at least 1 forum available to those who don't own the game correct?

Aside from that many developers already have forums



Messaggio originale di FOXDUDE69:

You don't seem to understand why that word is applicable in this instance, perhaps you have a very surface level understanding of the word.

A quick visit to Merriam-Webster should help you here.

You might want to brush up yourself, I will assist you with their definition

existing or coming about seemingly at random or by chance or as a capricious and unreasonable act of will

As you've had it explained to you a few times now its not random or by chance, nor is it capricious or unreasonable. You simply do not like it, despite there being a very clear reason for it that is actually quite problematic for other sites that do not take the same precautions.

For the same reasons why if you family share a game the person you family share it to also cannot review the game. To counter abuse reasonable steps must be taken. So far you've failed to name any games that have been harmed by the choice, and the entire point of reviews is to present a clear and ACCURATE picture of how owners of the game feel it is.

If your unable to provide any examples of the system with its restrictions not providing an accurate picture then it seems you've failed to demonstrate how its harmful.
I did discover that some of the reason behind mine were free dlc, or gifted games.. However, this also extends to games you played on a free weekend, whether you purchased them or not.. But I have some that are blocked, that fit NONE of the criteria, and yet are still not counted.. They werent gifted, werent a free weekend download, werent product codes, and are still not counted.. My 40k Mechanicus review, and my Vermintide 2 reviews are 2 such examples

What is the benefit to the consumer/gamer of blocking contributions to the overall score? Weve already lost trust in our media institutions, and are seeing manipulation on all mainstream review sites, why would Steam follow suit after all these years? This is not a positive for you and me.
Ultima modifica da Rizilliant; 9 feb 2024, ore 12:20
Messaggio originale di Lets Go Brandon! FJB:
I did discover that some of the reason behind mine were free dlc, or gifted games.. However, this also extends to games you played on a free weekend, whether you purchased them or not.. But I have some that are blocked, that fit NONE of the criteria, and yet are still not counted.. They werent gifted, werent a free weekend download, werent product codes, and are still not counted..

What is the benefit to the consumer/gamer of blocking contributions to the overall score? Weve already lost trust in our media institutions, and are seeing manipulation on all mainstream review sites, why would Steam follow suit after all these years? This is not a positive for you and me.

I would suggest you contact support and ask them why those specific games are not counted. I can't see your account and don't know any of the details but they could answer your question. If there is a bug that causes some to not get counted when they should be that is a completely separate issue that should be resolved by steam.

The rest of us are only referring to the games that are supposed to not count such as the ones acquired off steam.

Messaggio originale di Lets Go Brandon! FJB:
What is the benefit to the consumer/gamer of blocking contributions to the overall score? Weve already lost trust in our media institutions, and are seeing manipulation on all mainstream review sites, why would Steam follow suit after all these years? This is not a positive for you and me.

As repeatedly mentioned it prevents dev's from being able to give out hundreds of keys in exchange for favorable reviews to manipulate their review scores. Its one of the most basic precautions steam could take and its been this way for nearly a decade so its not new.

If you want to see the score and factor in reviews for keys purchased outside of steam you are also able to, its just not defaulted that way.
Ultima modifica da Brian9824; 9 feb 2024, ore 12:23
Messaggio originale di FOXDUDE69:
Messaggio originale di SlowMango:
Developers already have the option to restrict the hub to owners only as long as one forum is public.

That's not really the same now, is it?

Welcome to the echo chamber of Steam employees. Where the larger issue is always drowned out by microscopic details. We here you.

Although I am moving away from the PC gaming industry I still following the movements of Steam. Again though, I want to point out that Steam is not to be pointed out specifically. The lack of the tech industry from any form of regulation is. When the tides tip to the other side Steam will be in the crosshairs like every other technology company.
Messaggio originale di Low Standards:
Messaggio originale di FOXDUDE69:

That's not really the same now, is it?

Although I am moving away from the PC gaming industry I still following the movements of Steam. Again though, I want to point out that Steam is not to be pointed out specifically. The lack of the tech industry from any form of regulation is. When the tides tip to the other side Steam will be in the crosshairs like every other technology company.

So you are saying you don't want Steam to have any safeguards to prevent developers from being able to have fraudulent reviews... That is an interesting stance to have and very anti consumer.

Funny enough steam is self regulating and providing safeguards, but you seem to take offense at their regulations because you don't like them.
Ultima modifica da Brian9824; 9 feb 2024, ore 12:36
Messaggio originale di FOXDUDE69:
Messaggio originale di Lets Go Brandon! FJB:
I just noticed the little star icons, claiming some of my games were added via a key.. i ONLY buy my games from Steam! This is a very inaccurate system. Every single review is a verified owner, by default.. There is no benefit to users, by arbitrarily tuning which reviews get counted

This feels dubious, at best

Indeed. And it could be a slippery slope.
Today is steam reviews not counting towards the overall rating, tomorrow might be the ability to post a review at all, or worse, use that game's game hub.
The slippery slope fallacy?
Seriously, if you cared this much about it counting to the overall score you should've bought it on Steam. Else, you should be buying games to enjoy them where reviewing it isn't the priority. Though customers opinions are generally considered more important than users which makes sense to restrict what counts to prevent the old free key for good reviews stuff some Devs did.

Keep in mind it's the same for community features initially; accounts are not equal if they don't unlimit their account, non spending customers have overall limitations & can't welcome themselves anywhere on Steam with strong posting limitations. Those that unlimit by spending on Steam have more abilities. Also just like how users in good standing are treated differently compared to individuals with a massive moderation history.

Valves actions for a long time says that they prefer customers have more compared to people just trying to use the platform. So yet-again, if you only care about the review affecting the score, buy it on Steam.

Though a review implies the game is actually being reviewed when being submitted. So if the review clearly isn't a review of the game then it already doesn't matter what they write.
Messaggio originale di Komarimaru:
Leave the reviews on where you got the key, simple really. GmG has a method, as does Humble, as does Fanatical.

Quite funny how this is hard to grasp, when it's as simple as can be. I've tons of Humble Bundles, I leave the review on Humble Bundles site.
Bingo. And again. is it really terrible that steam prioritizes the subset that is apt to be HARSHER ?



Messaggio originale di Lets Go Brandon! FJB:
I did discover that some of the reason behind mine were free dlc, or gifted games.. However, this also extends to games you played on a free weekend, whether you purchased them or not..
OKay now that soundlike a genuine case of oversight.. the free weekend one. YOu mayy want to send a ticket to support about that. COuld be there's a kink in the selct cases or flag priorities .

Messaggio originale di Lets Go Brandon! FJB:
What is the benefit to the consumer/gamer of blocking contributions to the overall score? Weve already lost trust in our media institutions, and are seeing manipulation on all mainstream review sites, why would Steam follow suit after all these years? This is not a positive for you and me.
Fraud Preventions. The problem with Fraud Prevention and any ckinda of preventative system is you';re gonna get false positives.
Messaggio originale di Mad Scientist:
The slippery slope fallacy?

A slippery slope is not always a fallacy, but I understand your confusion because there are a lot of people online who go around using words they don't fully understand and they think it always is.
Messaggio originale di FOXDUDE69:
Messaggio originale di Mad Scientist:
The slippery slope fallacy?

A slippery slope is not always a fallacy, but I understand your confusion because there are a lot of people online who go around using words they don't fully understand and they think it always is.

That is true, i've seen people claim things are arbitrary for instance without having a proper grasp on what the word means.
Messaggio originale di FOXDUDE69:
Messaggio originale di Mad Scientist:
The slippery slope fallacy?

A slippery slope is not always a fallacy, but I understand your confusion because there are a lot of people online who go around using words they don't fully understand and they think it always is.
Its not a slippery slope nor has it been. These are normal practices done on many sites for identical reasons, so it hasn't gone to some sort of nefarious outcome.

Given how normal this is on many e-commerce places, I doubt you have an issue with the other places doing this, let alone steam. As usual, if you want it to count, buy it on the store you want it to matter on, though if one leaves a review it should actually review the game for an opinion on a game to be taken even remotely seriously.
Messaggio originale di Unicorn Hunter:
Messaggio originale di FOXDUDE69:

A slippery slope is not always a fallacy, but I understand your confusion because there are a lot of people online who go around using words they don't fully understand and they think it always is.

That is true, i've seen people claim things are arbitrary for instance without having a proper grasp on what the word means.

I love how everyone thinks they are a philosopher.
Messaggio originale di FOXDUDE69:
Messaggio originale di SlowMango:
Developers already have the option to restrict the hub to owners only as long as one forum is public.

That's not really the same now, is it?
It is.

It also shows that Valve has no wish to force hubs to be restricted to only game owners. Since devs literally currently have that option, there's no reason to.
Messaggio originale di brian9824:
https://www.vg247.com/steam-will-no-longer-include-user-reviews-in-a-games-overall-score-if-the-reviewer-didnt-pay-for-a-copy

In case anyone was curious it hasn't changed in nearly 7 years

I payed for my copy of Helldivers 2. And all the many, many games I've acquired from Humble Bundle.
Messaggio originale di FOXDUDE69:
Messaggio originale di brian9824:
https://www.vg247.com/steam-will-no-longer-include-user-reviews-in-a-games-overall-score-if-the-reviewer-didnt-pay-for-a-copy

In case anyone was curious it hasn't changed in nearly 7 years

I payed for my copy of Helldivers 2. And all the many, many games I've acquired from Humble Bundle.
And that grants you the right to play them however it does not grant you the same rights as if you bought directly from steam themselves in some cases as you have seen with the reviews or other factors such as steam points.

This is very common when you do this at other places when buying from 3rd parties as the main store often receives less to no money and they cannot and should not be required to spend their funds on people who are not their customers directly.
Why does the source of your license even matter?

What matters is, that you have played the game to evaluate it. What a joke. Do better valve..
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