Steam weaponizing the review/recommendation system.

[FOXDUDE69]

If you acquired your game on Humble Bundle or through another steam key reseller, your Steam review will not count towards the overall rating.

It shouldn't matter where you purchased the game, a recommendation is a recommendation, as long as it's in your Steam library, your review should count.

Today, for example, was the release of Helldivers 2, a game that has been selling remarkably well on Humble Bundle... None of those reviews will count for the overall rating.

I don't need to explain why this is problematic.

Just another issue to add to the growing list of concerns regarding Steam's review/recommendation system.

[greenraven22]

引用自 Tito Shivan：

So much for

引用自 greenraven22：

all the complaints get locked or deleted.

Using semantics to downplay a statement doesn't negate the statement. No not "all" complaints get locked or deleted.

But if we all had access to the mod panel we could all see 10 deleted 1000+ post threads for every 1 that wasn't deleted.

2020 in particular, when sooooo many people were unhappy with this garbage new client, and valve panicking and hiring a bunch of new mods to silence all the criticism as fast as possible...

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

引用自 greenraven22：

引用自 Tito Shivan：

So much for

Using semantics to downplay a statement doesn't negate the statement. No not "all" complaints get locked or deleted.

But if we all had access to the mod panel we could all see 10 deleted 1000+ post threads for every 1 that wasn't deleted.

2020 in particular, when sooooo many people were unhappy with this garbage new client, and valve panicking and hiring a bunch of new mods to silence all the criticism as fast as possible...

The paid mods existed alongside volunteer mods like Tito.

So, your memory is a bit fuzzy.

If the paid mods existed right alongside the volunteer mods which they did, that means that they were not hired to silence people complaining about the client.

[Tito Shivan]

引用自 greenraven22：

2020 in particular, when sooooo many people were unhappy with this garbage new client, and valve panicking and hiring a bunch of new mods to silence all the criticism as fast as possible...

You can't even start to realise how wrong are you on that regard.

No, Valve didn't panic about the new UI complaints.

No, no one hired a bunch of new mods to silence all the criticism as fast as possible.

In fact the threads about the new client and UI complaints were around and active for a very long time.

In fact Valve took constructive criticism from those complaints into account and made changes to the new client.

Just like the W7 support complaints threads have been around for like the last 6-7 months at least. And still remain after the support for the OS has been officially dropped.

[greenraven22]

引用自 Tito Shivan：

No, Valve didn't panic about the new UI complaints.

Every time a new thread was created providing a workaround for reverting to the previous version of the client people and posts would mysteriously go missing. And then an update would mysteriously break the workaround altogether, resetting this whole tug of war between the community wanting to keep the old version and valve brute forcing the new version.

引用自 Tito Shivan：

In fact Valve took constructive criticism from those complaints into account and made changes to the new client.

Did they now?

Then please explain how one goes about using their favorite skins?

Or how does one listen to custom songs in the music player?

Or better yet please explain how one can turn off the Whats New spam. And no, not temporarily ignore a few items, but disable that whole bloatware "feature" in it's entirety.

[Boblin the Goblin]

引用自 greenraven22：

引用自 Tito Shivan：

No, Valve didn't panic about the new UI complaints.

Every time a new thread was created providing a workaround for reverting to the previous version of the client people and posts would mysteriously go missing. And then an update would mysteriously break the workaround altogether, resetting this whole tug of war between the community wanting to keep the old version and valve brute forcing the new version.

引用自 Tito Shivan：

In fact Valve took constructive criticism from those complaints into account and made changes to the new client.

Did they now?

Then please explain how one goes about using their favorite skins?

Or how does one listen to custom songs in the music player?

Or better yet please explain how one can turn off the Whats New spam. And no, not temporarily ignore a few items, but disable that whole bloatware "feature" in it's entirety.

Them not doing everything doesn't mean they didn't do anything.

[Tito Shivan]

引用自 greenraven22：

Did they now?

They did bring back Small mode for starters. They also reworked the layout on the library page of a game and allowed for a no-connection mode to save on loading all the UGC on the library pages.

You can't please everybody and do every suggestion anyone made (Like IE: Reverting back the UI update) but they took suggestions and applied to their design.

[Rings]

引用自 Start_Running：

引用自 Rings：

The most important one is obviously the one that determines the overall rating. Which is the one that the reviews don't count towards.

So the rating that counts both keys and steam purchases. Which is not the one shown at the top of the page. The one shown there is the more pessimistic STeam Purchases only.
Essentially Valve chose to use the Aggregate with rthe highest negative bias for the default.
Which is a good thing, and people who scroll down to the actual review system will see the aggregate based on their preferences as opposed to Valve's Default.

No, the one shown at the top of the page is the most important as that's the one you're presented with during searches and when you first open the game page. Why does this need to be explained to you? O.o
Why do you think the current review system is the one with the highest negative bias? There are countless positive reviews from people whose reviews count that post a single word or ASCII art. Why would someone who spent money on a game be more likely to review it negatively than someone who had the game gifted to them? They'd be biased toward liking it precisely because of their monetary investment and want to justify their purchase. A giftee would this be more likely to leave a negative review.

引用自 Unicorn Hunter：

引用自 Rings：

The most important one is obviously the one that determines the overall rating. Which is the one that the reviews don't count towards.


It was so hidden that news sites had to report on it, press releases had to be issued, release notes, etc. instead of just, you know, telling you right there like it currently does. Yes, it was hidden. And now it is not. I'm glad we agree on this. This also changes nothing that anyone is saying about wanting their games that were gifted directly on steam to count toward the overall score.


Again, because some people didn't know about it before. Now that it tells you outright, people know about it and are thus rightfully complaining about it.

It always showed you that message. The only change was they replaced the icon with a star instead of a picture of a key and whatever else it was before

No, it NEVER showed that message. As I said, it only showed "this product has been redeemed via key" or "this product has been purchased on steam" (paraphrasing ofc). It never made any mention to review scores. If it did, I wouldn't even be here now. I would have already participated in a discussion regarding this and said my piece.

All of you people trying to defend this are making up a bunch of lies.

引用自 Vegg：

Nah this change with the star is just valve being the whole ♥♥♥♥♥ on a policy change that was hidden in some blog posts no one read from 2016. If you hovered over the key icon before it was changed to a star it would just say "activated using a product key" instead of "this review is not counted because this user activated the product via steam key, received it via gift or via a temporary free license"

Finally, someone who knows what they're talking about.

[greenraven22]

引用自 Tito Shivan：

They did bring back Small mode for starters. They also reworked the layout on the library page of a game and allowed for a no-connection mode to save on loading all the UGC on the library pages.

You can't please everybody and do every suggestion anyone made (Like IE: Reverting back the UI update) but they took suggestions and applied to their design.

What little they may have actually implemented is trivial compared to what was lost and how strongly people feel about wanting Whats New gone.

Customization used to be a touting point for Steam. But the client just keeps losing more and more functionality to trivial bloatware. We used to have custom skins and custom playlists. Now we have the clown emoji and the "funny" button.

引用自 Rings：

No, the one shown at the top of the page is the most important as that's the one you're presented with during searches and when you first open the game page.

Exactly. If you have to jump through hoops just to see raw data then it's censorship. If you have to click or scroll beyond what is originally presented then that's sleight of hand manipulation.

[Start_Running]

引用自 Rings：

引用自 Start_Running：

So the rating that counts both keys and steam purchases. Which is not the one shown at the top of the page. The one shown there is the more pessimistic STeam Purchases only.
Essentially Valve chose to use the Aggregate with rthe highest negative bias for the default.
Which is a good thing, and people who scroll down to the actual review system will see the aggregate based on their preferences as opposed to Valve's Default.

No, the one shown at the top of the page is the most important as that's the one you're presented with during searches and when you first open the game page. Why does this need to be explained to you? O.o

Which is why Valve vchose to use the aggregate with the highest negative bias.
The joke is for opeople who actually READ reviews that aggregate is basically the equivalent iof a weatherman's 5-day forecast.

引用自 Rings：

Why do you think the current review system is the one with the highest negative bias?[/quorte]
My own observation. And logic. I''ve noticed that the aggregate counting ALL generally doesn't deviate much from the steam purchases aggregate. There's also the fact that rthere's a more concrete pricerange for what the reviewer paid for the game. TYhey're more apt to have paid for the game specifically and to have done so at retail price. ie not as part of some 10 games for $10 bundle which changes the value proposition. People are as a rule more critical when they have to pay more.

I didn't say the negative bias was big, just that it is higher than otherwise.

There's also the plus that you can be assured that the games were indeed PAID for.by the reviewer.

[Rings]

引用自 Start_Running：

引用自 Rings：

No, the one shown at the top of the page is the most important as that's the one you're presented with during searches and when you first open the game page. Why does this need to be explained to you? O.o

Which is why Valve vchose to use the aggregate with the highest negative bias.
The joke is for opeople who actually READ reviews that aggregate is basically the equivalent iof a weatherman's 5-day forecast.

I don't care why they chose what gets counted there, I still want my gifted copies to count toward that score. The majority of my reviews are negative, pointing out flaws and whatnot for games that deserve to be mixed at best, and they remain positive because people post a review after 5 minutes of gameplay with a "cool" or a meme quote comprising the entire review.

[Start_Running]

引用自 Rings：

引用自 Start_Running：

Which is why Valve vchose to use the aggregate with the highest negative bias.
The joke is for opeople who actually READ reviews that aggregate is basically the equivalent iof a weatherman's 5-day forecast.

I don't care why they chose what gets counted there, I still want my gifted copies to count toward that score.

They do. . Whether or not they do depends on the user's preferences though. There are some users that have it set to ALL. Some like myself only COunt STeam purchases and Some people only count Key purchases.


User Choice is fun isn't it?

引用自 Rings：

The majority of my reviews are negative, pointing out flaws and whatnot for games that deserve to be mixed at best, and they remain positive because people post a review after 5 minutes of gameplay with a "cool" or a meme quote comprising the entire review.

Or maybe you're the minority. You're like someone who doesn't thinkk the God Father triogy was great. Sometimes the majority of people just don't align with your opinions.

At least your review is there and can be read byu those that want to. And thats actually more important... at least to people making informed decisions.

[Tito Shivan]

引用自 Rings：

I don't care why they chose what gets counted there, I still want my gifted copies to count toward that score. The majority of my reviews are negative, pointing out flaws and whatnot for games that deserve to be mixed at best, and they remain positive because people post a review after 5 minutes of gameplay with a "cool" or a meme quote comprising the entire review.

The score you think a game deserves doesn't necessarily needs to align with what others think.

That's the beauty of reviews.

[Shait]

Never thought I would see the day when Valve starts manipulating and censoring reviews.

[Rings]

引用自 Start_Running：

引用自 Rings：

I don't care why they chose what gets counted there, I still want my gifted copies to count toward that score.

They do. . Whether or not they do depends on the user's preferences though. There are some users that have it set to ALL. Some like myself only COunt STeam purchases and Some people only count Key purchases.


User Choice is fun isn't it?

Doesn't matter what users can change their preferences to, the score that's shown on search results and the top of the game's store page can't be changed (correct me if I'm wrong), therefore that's the one that matters most. And if it can be changed, the default should be set to show reviews by people with gifted copies.

引用自 Start_Running：

引用自 Rings：

The majority of my reviews are negative, pointing out flaws and whatnot for games that deserve to be mixed at best, and they remain positive because people post a review after 5 minutes of gameplay with a "cool" or a meme quote comprising the entire review.

Or maybe you're the minority. You're like someone who doesn't thinkk the God Father triogy was great. Sometimes the majority of people just don't align with your opinions.

At least your review is there and can be read byu those that want to. And thats actually more important... at least to people making informed decisions.

You don't have a way of knowing whether or not I'm in the minority. Unless you're talking about the review score. Which is obviously unfair to use because as we know, they're censored. Case in point, my own review doesn't count.

引用自 Tito Shivan：

引用自 Rings：

I don't care why they chose what gets counted there, I still want my gifted copies to count toward that score. The majority of my reviews are negative, pointing out flaws and whatnot for games that deserve to be mixed at best, and they remain positive because people post a review after 5 minutes of gameplay with a "cool" or a meme quote comprising the entire review.

The score you think a game deserves doesn't necessarily needs to align with what others think.

That's the beauty of reviews.

And it definitely won't when my and others' reviews don't contribute towards said score. Censorship is funny.

[Malfunctioning Robot]

You didn't buy it, so you are not a customer. No one cares about your opinion