SyphonSystem 2024 年 2 月 5 日 下午 8:21
VALVE SAVE GAMING!
With what looks like Microsoft exiting the Xbox hardware business and trying to take over the software side with digital releases and the success of the Steam Deck is it time for Valve to build a box? Think Steam Deck, Steam OS custom AMD APU on par or greater than what we assume the PS5 PRO is going to be. This helps protect Valve from Xbox digital/cloud/game pass and keeps the home gaming business competitive. On top of having a great gaming box you have a cost effective Linux PC, Steam built in and all digital. Microsoft is going ultimate corporate evil, sorry Xbox fans. I have one for my couch gaming when not on PC. :(
最后由 SyphonSystem 编辑于; 2024 年 2 月 5 日 下午 8:22
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Brian9824 2024 年 2 月 6 日 上午 7:07 
引用自 xBCxRangers
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There are steam machines now. Install Steam OS on any computer and you have a steam machine which is why they aren't making them. They are focusing on the software that is what the Steam Machine is all about

Steam Machines were redundant as it was literally just a PC with Steam OS installed.
xBCxRangers 2024 年 2 月 6 日 上午 7:19 
引用自 brian9824
引用自 xBCxRangers
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There are steam machines now. Install Steam OS on any computer and you have a steam machine which is why they aren't making them. They are focusing on the software that is what the Steam Machine is all about

Steam Machines were redundant as it was literally just a PC with Steam OS installed.

A PC is not a console on the way it's made to be played lol. Those were made to have decent controller support, console like UI, and playing it like you would play a console. It just never happened that way. Me and my brother tried one like 10 (early in the early win 10 days) years ago, and i think we gave it a virus lol.

It "could" if they went to Steaming.
最后由 xBCxRangers 编辑于; 2024 年 2 月 6 日 上午 7:20
🍋 Lemonfed 🍋 2024 年 2 月 6 日 上午 7:19 
引用自 lsdninja
引用自 🍋 Lemonfed 🍋
but at the same time you'l eventually get integrated graphic chipset that will be able to run games at 1080P and 60 fps and that's gonna replace the budget , low end graphic cards options.

No card carrying member of the so-called PC Gaming Master Race will accept integrated graphics, lol

PC master race is a meme and most peoples don't care about it.
Brian9824 2024 年 2 月 6 日 上午 7:23 
引用自 xBCxRangers
引用自 brian9824
There are steam machines now. Install Steam OS on any computer and you have a steam machine which is why they aren't making them. They are focusing on the software that is what the Steam Machine is all about

Steam Machines were redundant as it was literally just a PC with Steam OS installed.

A PC is not a console on the way it's made to be played lol. Those were made to have decent controller support, console like UI, and playing it like you would play a console. It just never happened that way. It "could" if they went to Steaming.

You really need to research what you are talking about. Steam Machines are LITERAL PC's with Steam OS installed. That is the console UI. Same architecture as a PC. You could even swap PC parts on them if you wanted.

PC's have far superior controller support to consoles, any UI you wish based on the OS you choose to use, and can be played exactly like a console. It already happens this way if you want.
xBCxRangers 2024 年 2 月 6 日 上午 7:37 
引用自 brian9824
引用自 xBCxRangers

A PC is not a console on the way it's made to be played lol. Those were made to have decent controller support, console like UI, and playing it like you would play a console. It just never happened that way. It "could" if they went to Steaming.

You really need to research what you are talking about. Steam Machines are LITERAL PC's with Steam OS installed. That is the console UI. Same architecture as a PC. You could even swap PC parts on them if you wanted.

PC's have far superior controller support to consoles, any UI you wish based on the OS you choose to use, and can be played exactly like a console. It already happens this way if you want.

The makeup of the machine is, but it's a console. Believe me, A LOT of research was done about that back in the day, by much more pc literate people than me. And we tried it, it was a good idea, it's just was before it's time.

If they put out a "Stream" Machine, it would likely work out a lot better. Being you have built in controls like a console for every game (here it has to be done individually). They have to learn how GFN did it.

They did a great job. If Newell, Spencer and Nvidia got together to come out with a Stream Machine, i think it would go bonkers. Especially if you can get the service on Steam Deck, Phones and Xbox.
最后由 xBCxRangers 编辑于; 2024 年 2 月 6 日 上午 7:37
lsdninja 2024 年 2 月 6 日 上午 7:37 
引用自 🍋 Lemonfed 🍋
PC master race is a meme and most peoples don't care about it.

It's a meme because of the extent to which a lot of you are wedded to the idea of gaming on the PC, lol.
Brian9824 2024 年 2 月 6 日 上午 7:43 
引用自 xBCxRangers
引用自 brian9824

You really need to research what you are talking about. Steam Machines are LITERAL PC's with Steam OS installed. That is the console UI. Same architecture as a PC. You could even swap PC parts on them if you wanted.

PC's have far superior controller support to consoles, any UI you wish based on the OS you choose to use, and can be played exactly like a console. It already happens this way if you want.

The makeup of the machine is, but it's a console. Believe me, A LOT of research was done about that back in the day, by much more pc literate people than me. And we tried it, it was a good idea, it's just was before it's time.
Again it wasn't, it was literally built with off the shelf PC parts that were put in a small form factor case and had Steam OS installed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_Machine_(computer)

Again, listed as a computer, with parts you could buy at any computer store.

Steam Machine was a series of small form factor gaming computers by Valve, designed to operate SteamOS to provide a game console-like experience.

Also
Unlike gaming consoles, the Steam Machine does not have a specific configuration of hardware, but a minimum specification of computer hardware components that would be needed to support the SteamOS operating system and games developed for it.

if you want one feel free to buy it, hundreds of options
https://www.cyberpowerpc.com/page/EVO-Mini/
https://www.corsair.com/us/en/c/gaming-computers/corsair-one
https://www.steigerdynamics.com/ikon
https://www.windowscentral.com/best-small-gaming-pcs-mini-compact-and-small-form-factor

Can also build your own quite easily.

Steam Machine failed because in part because the Steam OS wasn't as good as it was now, and the prices they charged for it weren't competitive enough for the hardware as anyone who wanted it could make their own easily enough at cheaper prices and more heavily customized to what they wanted
最后由 Brian9824 编辑于; 2024 年 2 月 6 日 上午 7:45
lsdninja 2024 年 2 月 6 日 上午 7:45 
Steam OS 2 (did SteamOS 1 ever make it out of Valve's labs? I forget...) was always the worst part of that early Steam Machine concept. Use Windows instead and it was a lot better.
WolfEisberg 2024 年 2 月 6 日 上午 7:48 
引用自 lsdninja
Steam OS 2 (did SteamOS 1 ever make it out of Valve's labs? I forget...) was always the worst part of that early Steam Machine concept. Use Windows instead and it was a lot better.

Valve did publicly release the first version of SteamOS, you can still download and install it.

https://store.steampowered.com/steamos/buildyourown
Brian9824 2024 年 2 月 6 日 上午 7:51 
引用自 WolfEisberg
引用自 lsdninja
Steam OS 2 (did SteamOS 1 ever make it out of Valve's labs? I forget...) was always the worst part of that early Steam Machine concept. Use Windows instead and it was a lot better.

Valve did publicly release the first version of SteamOS, you can still download and install it.

https://store.steampowered.com/steamos/buildyourown

FYI it was removed, if you click the download links it takes you to steam deck version only with no way to download it for PC. They haven't released the new one yet, so Steam OS for PC is still in limbo. Although i'm sure you can find a copy of it off steam.
xBCxRangers 2024 年 2 月 6 日 上午 7:53 
引用自 brian9824
引用自 xBCxRangers

The makeup of the machine is, but it's a console. Believe me, A LOT of research was done about that back in the day, by much more pc literate people than me. And we tried it, it was a good idea, it's just was before it's time.
Again it wasn't, it was literally built with off the shelf PC parts that were put in a small form factor case and had Steam OS installed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_Machine_(computer)

Again, listed as a computer, with parts you could buy at any computer store.

Steam Machine was a series of small form factor gaming computers by Valve, designed to operate SteamOS to provide a game console-like experience.

if you want one feel free to buy it, hundreds of options
https://www.cyberpowerpc.com/page/EVO-Mini/
https://www.corsair.com/us/en/c/gaming-computers/corsair-one
https://www.steigerdynamics.com/ikon
https://www.windowscentral.com/best-small-gaming-pcs-mini-compact-and-small-form-factor

Can also build your own quite easily.

Steam Machine failed because in part because the Steam OS wasn't as good as it was now, and the prices they charged for it weren't competitive enough for the hardware as anyone who wanted it could make their own easily enough at cheaper prices and more heavily customized to what they wanted

Well i agree with your last part, in that there was a lot of things, that improved since they tried that. That's why i said, if they want to make it more like a console today, streaming is the way to do it, being you don't deal necessarily with "pc issues" on that.

Games rarely crash. The controllers work. Mods are loaded every time you start, so they're not in folders that may break things.

You don't need Anti Virus.

You don't a lot of things you need to pc game. It is, like playing on a console, and in fact, is played on the console.

In short, PC Gaming is a pain in the butt. Ge Force Now for those on consoles, was the best thing to happen to me in gaming for a long time.

For companies to build on that model (like i think Xbox will) is the best way to go.

No need for expensive machines. No need to worry about upgrades. Just plug and play, and have good internet. It's def not something for Hardcore players who want 8000p and 120 fps. But for a casual like me and most gamers , a great idear.
lsdninja 2024 年 2 月 6 日 上午 7:53 
引用自 WolfEisberg
引用自 lsdninja
Steam OS 2 (did SteamOS 1 ever make it out of Valve's labs? I forget...) was always the worst part of that early Steam Machine concept. Use Windows instead and it was a lot better.

Valve did publicly release the first version of SteamOS, you can still download and install it.

https://store.steampowered.com/steamos/buildyourown

Last I checked, that gave you the Brewmaster, or Steam OS 2, image and that's all I remember ever making it out to the public.

(Also, I think that page just directs you to the Steam Deck Steam OS 3 images now. Probably a good thing since Steam OS 2 is based on Debian 8 I think which is horribly outdated - even by Debian standards - and insecure)
cSg|mc-Hotsauce 2024 年 2 月 6 日 上午 7:53 
引用自 WolfEisberg
引用自 lsdninja
Steam OS 2 (did SteamOS 1 ever make it out of Valve's labs? I forget...) was always the worst part of that early Steam Machine concept. Use Windows instead and it was a lot better.

Valve did publicly release the first version of SteamOS, you can still download and install it.

https://store.steampowered.com/steamos/buildyourown

That's now the SteamOS 3 Deck image, not the old v2 SteamOS nor the full release of SteamOS 3.

:winterbunny2023:
Muppet among Puppets 2024 年 2 月 6 日 上午 7:54 
引用自 xBCxRangers
A PC is not a console
The only difference i see is, that if its a console, you need to buy what they want you to use, for example a drive.
lsdninja 2024 年 2 月 6 日 上午 7:54 
引用自 brian9824
FYI it was removed, if you click the download links it takes you to steam deck version only with no way to download it for PC. They haven't released the new one yet, so Steam OS for PC is still in limbo. Although i'm sure you can find a copy of it off steam.

HoloISO[github.com] is the closest you can get to a public Steam OS 3, but it's unofficial.
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