NoobOrFeed 2024 年 2 月 2 日 下午 3:59
Lets Talk about early Access...again.
In short: early Access needs a Reform.

Apart from obvious scams Like the day before or another scam waiting just right now for an early Access release (the quinfall). Valve doesnt want to take Action against Games before its release but what about Games in early Access for +10 years without any intent to finish??

An popular example for that would be Project Zombie. Been over 10 years in EA, No Update in 14 month. There is clearly no Intention to finish the Game.

Wouldnt it be time to make some adjustments to the early access policies? Like remove a Game when its obviously a EA grave? Set a max Developement time of Like 10 years maybe? If you cant Finish a Game in 10 years, you obviously failed as a Developer! The sole purpose of such Games is a Money Grab, and sometimes they just wait for the community to finish the Game by mods.

Change something!!!
最后由 NoobOrFeed 编辑于; 2024 年 2 月 2 日 下午 4:00
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davidb11 2024 年 2 月 3 日 下午 4:29 
People who complain about Early Access Games are literally doing it wrong.
By definition.

Because the problem isn't with the game, it's with the people.
If a giant blue banner telling you the game may never be complete won't make you read it, nothing on the Earth can make you read it either.
Pierce Dalton 2024 年 2 月 3 日 下午 5:18 
引用自 SlowMango
引用自 Pierce Dalton

Well, I think you guys are overlooking an important question here: what percentage of these games ever gets finished?

I mean, if people start buying houses irl and only a small percentage of them gets finished, don't you think the government should create some laws to regulate this kind of deal?
We've moved on from comparing games to cars to now comparing them to houses.

That's some desperation.

Well, I must agree with you, dear friend. I've noticed that some people are really desperate to get under someone's skin. It's pretty entertaining to watch tbh, like mosquitoes biting a dinosaur :WH3_greasus_rofl:

Since you are such an insightful individual, you must be aware that videogames, cars and houses have one thing in common: they're all acquirable goods, but not only that, they all can be purchased while they're still being made. Yes, even cars, because custom vehicles are a thing. Therefore, the videogame industry wasn't doing anything really new when they came up with this "buy before it's done" thing.

Anyway, I wish you a nice weekend. Game on! :steamhappy:
D. Flame 2024 年 2 月 3 日 下午 5:20 
perpetual betas, aka early access, are a buy-at-your-own-risk proposal, there is nothing to address
Pierce Dalton 2024 年 2 月 3 日 下午 5:21 
引用自 BJWyler
引用自 Pierce Dalton

Well, I don't buy EA games, might have bought 1 or 2 because they were dirt cheap but that's it. I know what the warning says, no need to remind me. The problem here is that if only a few games get finished, and there's no penalty for the devs, this whole thing can be easily exploited by anyone. I mean, you can make a quick buck with a short demo and then forget about the game forever. By the current rules, that's alright, there's no consequence for devs acting in bad faith and that's a bad thing.
It is no different with or without the EA label. There have been plenty of bad faith devs who never used EA.

Once again:
Scams exist without EA.
Perpetual development hell exists without EA.
Abandoned games exist without EA.
Garbage games exist without EA.
Incomplete games exist without EA.
Bug ridden games exist without EA.

All these threads ever amount to is someone trying to blame someone or something else for a stupid decision they made.

How, exactly does one legislate the creative endeavor?

Well, of course, I've said that myself before:



引用自 Pierce Dalton
引用自 Start_Running
And...when has that stopped a dev/pub from marking and selling a game as finished?
Big Rigs Over the Road Racing was a thing.

Well, yes that seems to be a common issue on Steam: EA games without the EA label... what else could you expect if they don't playtest what they sell, though?
Start_Running 2024 年 2 月 3 日 下午 5:23 
引用自 D. Flame
perpetual betas, aka early access, are a buy-at-your-own-risk proposal, there is nothing to address
If you didn't want a beta. why would you purchase a beta.
Pierce Dalton 2024 年 2 月 3 日 下午 5:26 
引用自 Start_Running
引用自 D. Flame
perpetual betas, aka early access, are a buy-at-your-own-risk proposal, there is nothing to address
If you didn't want a beta. why would you purchase a beta.

Well, that's a good question... just like this one:

If the devs already got your money, why would they finish the game? :WH3_greasus_rofl:
D. Flame 2024 年 2 月 3 日 下午 5:29 
引用自 Start_Running
引用自 D. Flame
perpetual betas, aka early access, are a buy-at-your-own-risk proposal, there is nothing to address
If you didn't want a beta. why would you purchase a beta.
Exactly.



引用自 Pierce Dalton
引用自 Start_Running
If you didn't want a beta. why would you purchase a beta.

Well, that's a good question... just like this one:

If the devs already got your money, why would they finish the game? :WH3_greasus_rofl:
Keeping players happy tends to lead to you giving them more of your money and talking your friends into giving them money as well.
Pierce Dalton 2024 年 2 月 3 日 下午 5:37 
引用自 D. Flame
引用自 Start_Running
If you didn't want a beta. why would you purchase a beta.
Exactly.



引用自 Pierce Dalton

Well, that's a good question... just like this one:

If the devs already got your money, why would they finish the game? :WH3_greasus_rofl:
Keeping players happy tends to lead to you giving them more of your money and talking your friends into giving them money as well.

Well, then why aren't all games being finished? Don't they want more money?
D. Flame 2024 年 2 月 3 日 下午 5:40 
引用自 Pierce Dalton
引用自 D. Flame
Exactly.




Keeping players happy tends to lead to you giving them more of your money and talking your friends into giving them money as well.

Well, then why aren't all games being finished? Don't they want more money?
Laziness, duh.
Pierce Dalton 2024 年 2 月 3 日 下午 5:45 
引用自 D. Flame
引用自 Pierce Dalton

Well, then why aren't all games being finished? Don't they want more money?
Laziness, duh.

Yeah, and that must mean they're satisfied with the profit they already made.
( ( < < <🤖> > > ) ) 2024 年 2 月 3 日 下午 6:09 
must be deflating knowing that you have grabbed a majority of your money
and nothing you do will make the game more interesting to other players...
Start_Running 2024 年 2 月 3 日 下午 6:36 
引用自 ragefifty50
must be deflating knowing that you have grabbed a majority of your money
and nothing you do will make the game more interesting to other players...
Majority?
All indicators show that the majority wait for the full release. But even if that were the case. There are always new players to woo. abnd even uif not there is satisfaction in knowing that people are enjoying the fruits of your labour.

A baker is happy when you pay him. Sure. But they are even happier when they see you enjoying the cake they baked.
veracsthane 2024 年 2 月 3 日 下午 6:48 
引用自 BJWyler
The only thing that needs to change with EA are the people who buy into those games without having a single shred of a clue with what they are getting, even though the BIG BLUE BOX TELLS YOU EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE GETTING AND WHAT TO EXPECT.

Scams exist without EA.
Perpetual development hell exists without EA.
Abandoned games exist without EA.
Garbage games exist without EA.
Incomplete games exist without EA.
Bug ridden games exist without EA.

People just need to stop being stupid in their buying habits, and start being smart consumers.

If you want a complete and finished game. Don't buy a game until it is finished and complete. Simple As.
nah there is one case where ea should be intolerable and its AAA games. the entire AAA implies a level of professionalism that one guy in a garage wouldnt have.
Crash Bandicoot 2024 年 2 月 4 日 上午 1:23 
I bought Palworld for 20 bucks (on my main) and saw many people complain about this EA thing. I'll talk about it since it's my 1st EA experience

The game is 100% playable since launch and tbh none of the updates seemed toimpeove mt experience since I didn't experience any of the issues listed (maybe a little of pal pathing)

It was 20 bucks, you guys already forgot Jedi Survivor? That was a EA AAA and people were paying 60 bucks for that... It's hard to find AAA games being released these days without being completely broken (BF2042, CS2 most recently)

It's not just a EA issue, it's the industry as a whole that is scamming gamers.

The future is indie apparently, because palworld managed to deliver more for a cheaper price than big gaming companies these days
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BJWyler 2024 年 2 月 4 日 上午 5:34 
引用自 Pierce Dalton
引用自 Start_Running
If you didn't want a beta. why would you purchase a beta.

Well, that's a good question... just like this one:

If the devs already got your money, why would they finish the game? :WH3_greasus_rofl:
Because they enjoy doing what they are doing and they want to bring a product to market?
I know this is hard to believe for some people, but not everyone is a lazy scammer.
引用自 Start_Running
A baker is happy when you pay him. Sure. But they are even happier when they see you enjoying the cake they baked.
Precisely! I guess people who aren't Creatives really can't grasp the concept, but when a creator can see people enjoying the fruits of his (or her) labor, that's a feeling of accomplishment that can't be described.

引用自 Pierce Dalton
Well, then why aren't all games being finished? Don't they want more money?
引用自 D. Flame
Laziness, duh.
引用自 Pierce Dalton
Yeah, and that must mean they're satisfied with the profit they already made.
Tell me you know nothing of how game development works without telling me you know nothing of how game development works. Sure, there are scammers and lazy people out there. But in my experience, they are very, very few and far between. I was lucky enough to be an Alpha and Beta tester for many games back in the day. Game development is a messy process and it takes dedicated individuals to see it through to the end. Unfortunately, even with that dedication, not all of them make it. I can't count the number of games I played that people never heard of - because they didn't make it out of the early stages for one reason or another. Hell, I can't even remember the names of most of them at this point. Some ran out of funding. Some were just poorly thought out concepts or poorly designed games/mechanics. Some failed because Real Life came knocking on the dev's door. All Early Access does is throw back the curtain on that process so people can see how tedious and messy it can be.

Not everyone has the wherewithal to understand that concept or process, so we then get threads like these. It's the unfortunate drawback to holding a mirror to the development process that Crowdfunding and Early Access does. But at the end of the day, I would rather have these programs available because it offers opportunities to those who would otherwise never have the chance to show off their creative potential. And quite frankly, the gaming world is better because of it. We have gotten more than a few great games out of this process, and it would be a shame to lose that just because a small handful of ignorant people don't have the ability to grasp game development.
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