Game removals

[spokisar]

Why does Steam remove games without any announcement? In the last time Super Mega Baseball 2 was removed. Return it back please,

[sumolagann]

The publisher/dev not announcing it is super annoying, bad practice. All the platinum games copyright games were pulled at random shortly after releasing.

[Kargor]

Escrito originalmente por Sigma957:

Not just STEAM, GOG delisted Spec Ops: The Line without warning and with zero followup as to why.

Well, it's the same publisher and the same game.

Usually, when games are taken off the market, it's removed from ALL stores. I doubt any licensing contract makes a difference between outlets.

And if they didn't write a news article for Steam, it's no surprise they didn't write one for GoG either. Usually, they could just copy-paste the same news item to every platform.

[Doctor Zalgo]

Escrito originalmente por D. Flame:

Escrito originalmente por brian9824:

Already debunked as its pointed out Steam didn't do it. If any developer was going to engender a fear of missing out they'd ADVERTISE the game being delisted. You can't fear missing out when you never even knew you had the potential to miss out afterall....

Thanks for proving you have no idea what you are talking about. If they provide warning, then there is no fear being created. A fear of missing out requires there to be a risk of missing out without warning. If they warn you before hand, then you can just wait until you hear the warning to react.

By engendering a fear of missing out (without warning), you are more likely to buy games at launch and for full price to avoid missing out on them altogether. In other words, you are less likely to wait for deep discounts.

This is a bizarre argument. The games being removed are years (in some cases over a decade) old and they're often being removed because of music licencing expiring.

No one believes there's any danger that a game that was just released and is still full price is in danger of being removed (unless it is malware or breaks steam ToS in which case you'll get a refund.)

[Doctor Zalgo]

Escrito originalmente por Sigma957:

Not just STEAM, GOG delisted Spec Ops: The Line without warning and with zero followup as to why. The discount was supposed to end on February 6th but the game disappeared from the New Year's sale and lost its store page on February 2nd.
I imagine that game is now a hot topic as it affect games preservation of an important game. You cannot beat a physical disc that only needs the serial key to work and no online authentication.

The music licencing expired. Its a damn shame as specops is a great game.

[D. Flame]

Escrito originalmente por Doctor Zalgo:

Escrito originalmente por D. Flame:

Thanks for proving you have no idea what you are talking about. If they provide warning, then there is no fear being created. A fear of missing out requires there to be a risk of missing out without warning. If they warn you before hand, then you can just wait until you hear the warning to react.

By engendering a fear of missing out (without warning), you are more likely to buy games at launch and for full price to avoid missing out on them altogether. In other words, you are less likely to wait for deep discounts.

This is a bizarre argument. The games being removed are years (in some cases over a decade) old and they're often being removed because of music licencing expiring.

No one believes there's any danger that a game that was just released and is still full price is in danger of being removed (unless it is malware or breaks steam ToS in which case you'll get a refund.)

The point is, some people will add a game and wait for it to go on sale for below $10 to buy it. And sometimes, those decade old games are still list for full price.

Plus, if Valve wanted to, they could make delisting a 2 week process. So when a publisher filed to delist on STEAM, it would require a stated reason, send out an announcement, a put a notice on the store page, and start a count down of 2 weeks.

But... they don't so that, for the reasons that I have previously stated.

[Crazy Tiger]

You mean you assume those are the reasons.

Funnily enough no platform gives out warnings for delistings. The few times it happened, it was always the publishers doing so on each platform.

[D. Flame]

Escrito originalmente por Crazy Tiger:

Funnily enough no platform gives out warnings for delistings. The few times it happened, it was always the publishers doing so on each platform.

No one did a lot of things, until someone finally did.

[Brian9824]

Escrito originalmente por D. Flame:

Plus, if Valve wanted to, they could make delisting a 2 week process. So when a publisher filed to delist on STEAM, it would require a stated reason, send out an announcement, a put a notice on the store page, and start a count down of 2 weeks.

But... they don't so that, for the reasons that I have previously stated.

Your reasons are false, doing what you suggest would break the law. If a developer loses the right to sell a game it HAS to be able to be taken down immediately. it cannot continue to be sold for 2 weeks after the developer has no rights to sell it.

So you really need to know what your talking about before you state stuff that would result in Steam and developers being massively sued by the copyright holders.

Escrito originalmente por Crazy Tiger:

You mean you assume those are the reasons.

Funnily enough no platform gives out warnings for delistings. The few times it happened, it was always the publishers doing so on each platform.

Yep, because by law when a developer says they need to stop selling a game steam needs to immediately comply or it would be against the law. If their rights to the music expire or they lose a copyright for instance they can't keep selling it for weeks. It has to IMMEDIATELY be pulled.

[Brian9824]

Escrito originalmente por D. Flame:

Escrito originalmente por brian9824:

It certainly isn't. Its also not brain surgery, or rocket science which actually exist. Sadly I can't find any actual jobs that involve performing surgery on rockets, so perhaps you might want to research that as well.....

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/rocket_surgery

Ah good, now look up a few on how laws work, artificial scarcity, contract law, and how retailers can't keep selling other people's products when the owner of the product tells them to stop.

Then once you understand how it would be illegal for steam to keep selling someone else's product after the OWNER tells them to stop selling it we can talk.

[Brian9824]

Escrito originalmente por spokisar:

Why does Steam remove games without any announcement? In the last time Super Mega Baseball 2 was removed. Return it back please,

Anyways this keeps getting derailed, as its been said Steam removes a game primarily because the owner asked them, and since it's their game once asked they cannot keep selling it against the owners will.

The only other reason is if the developer breaks the rules and is banned from Steam and/or has their game removed.

[KalGimpa]

Escrito originalmente por brian9824:

Escrito originalmente por D. Flame:

sjip

Thanks for proving you have no idea what you are talking about.

If they don't tell you that the game is being removed there is no hurry to buy it as people aren't going to assume games will be randomly removed.

A fear of missing out requires knowledge that you might actually miss out.

A classic example is Super Mario All Stars which proves you are wrong as they did this exact strategy and they made it clear it was a limited run. Same thing Disney does when movies go into the vault. The knowledge that they will be going away is well known to create the fear of missing out, you might not know exactly when its going away but you know it is going away.

Otherwise if no one knew it was going to go away they'd have no worries about ever missing it as they'd just think they could get it later.

For instance this is how you do it

Super Mario 3D All-Stars is out on September 18th and will have a limited physical and digital run. It will be available up till March 2021 end.

People become aware of the risk of missing it and it drives sales. If no one knew about it then it wouldn't encourage people to buy it.

yup

only reason i got marvel avengers was it was getting removed

and on sale for 4 bucks

would not have known that it was being removed if it had not been advertised

[D. Flame]

Escrito originalmente por KalCuey:

Escrito originalmente por brian9824:

Thanks for proving you have no idea what you are talking about.

If they don't tell you that the game is being removed there is no hurry to buy it as people aren't going to assume games will be randomly removed.

A fear of missing out requires knowledge that you might actually miss out.

A classic example is Super Mario All Stars which proves you are wrong as they did this exact strategy and they made it clear it was a limited run. Same thing Disney does when movies go into the vault. The knowledge that they will be going away is well known to create the fear of missing out, you might not know exactly when its going away but you know it is going away.

Otherwise if no one knew it was going to go away they'd have no worries about ever missing it as they'd just think they could get it later.

For instance this is how you do it


People become aware of the risk of missing it and it drives sales. If no one knew about it then it wouldn't encourage people to buy it.

yup

only reason i got marvel avengers was it was getting removed

and on sale for 4 bucks:ws_smileyface:

would not have known that it was being removed if it had not been advertised

That just proves my point. Because they announced it, you were able to get it and for cheap. If they had not, then people would have been more likely to buy it at a higher price for FOMO.

[Brian9824]

Escrito originalmente por D. Flame:

That just proves my point. Because they announced it, you were able to get it and for cheap. If they had not, then people would have been more likely to buy it at a higher price for FOMO.

Not really, it was cheap because they wanted to get as many sales as they could before it went away, if they didn't announce it was leaving then they would have gotten less sales. I for sure wouldn't have bought it if I hadn't known it was leaving even if was only $4.

As you already linked in an article, there has to be the FEAR of missing out, that requires you to know you might actually miss out on being able to get something. You can't fear an outcome you didn't even know was a possibility, and since 99.999% of steam games aren't removed from the store most people won't assume a game is going to be pulled unless told.

Games being pulled from Steam are a very rare exception, they are not the norm. Thus no one expects it when 99.999% of games are never pulled.

[D. Flame]

Escrito originalmente por brian9824:

Escrito originalmente por D. Flame:

That just proves my point. Because they announced it, you were able to get it and for cheap. If they had not, then people would have been more likely to buy it at a higher price for FOMO.

Not really, it was cheap because they wanted to get as many sales as they could before it went away, if they didn't announce it was leaving then they would have gotten less sales. I for sure wouldn't have bought it if I hadn't known it was leaving even if was only $4.

As you already linked in an article, there has to be the FEAR of missing out, that requires you to know you might actually miss out on being able to get something. You can't fear an outcome you didn't even know was a possibility, and since 99.999% of steam games aren't removed from the store most people won't assume a game is going to be pulled unless told.

Games being pulled from Steam are a very rare exception, they are not the norm. Thus no one expects it when 99.999% of games are never pulled.

Wrong fear of missing out only requires there to be an expectation of potentially missing out. If you know the game is being removed, it is no longer just a "fear."

This game being removed is already proof that games do get removed from Steam, and it happens more often than you think.

[Brian9824]

Escrito originalmente por D. Flame:

Wrong fear of missing out only requires there to be an expectation of potentially missing out. If you know the game is being removed, it is no longer just a "fear."

Again false, as your own article already showed you and used as an example with the Disney Vault. Its well known that items go into the vault and become unavailable. By your logic every item in the world in every market is subject to this marketing tactic because ANY item could potentially go away all while you keep repeatedly ignoring that the entire concept behind doing this is you WANT people to know that there is a ticking clock and that if they don't get the item soon they will lose out on it.

Escrito originalmente por D. Flame:

This game being removed is already proof that games do get removed from Steam, and it happens more often than you think.

You keep making arguments no one is arguing against. No one needs proof that games get removed for steam, everyone knows that. There are 50,000+ games on steam, and I can guarantee the overwhelming majority of them have not been removed.

Many of them like Marvel Avengers its well known when they will be removed, hence why there isn't any "fear" of say Star Ocean 2 Remake being removed from steam, or for Galactic Civilizations to be removed because its such a rare thing and quite often its done with notice. No one in their right mind expects games to be pulled with no notice.

I mean you keep claiming otherwise, yet the own articles you post provide well known examples where the items are well known to be going away at some point. So if your going to try to argue something so illogical, i'd suggest stop using articles and links that say the opposite of what your claiming.