Is Steam Moderation trying to Sabotage Users and the Forum?

[76561199540158642]

It needs to be discussed that there is potential that Steam and its moderation of the forums are setting certain people up to be banned for long periods of time.

That by Applying "Mistake" bans they are increasing the levels of banning escalations, in Attempts to increase ban punishments.

What this means if your first offence is a

1st offense "warning"
2nd offense 24 hours
3rd offense 48 hours
4th offense 72 hours
5th offense 1 week
6th offense 2 weeks

it progress's higher and higher each time. However many users are falsely banded by what support calls, "Over Reaction" leading to ban reversals.

Those Ban Reversals don't seem to be resetting the offense time and in fact increase it.

all and all it seems like steam moderation is playing a game with its users, blame them over and over again with false moderation until a real rule is broken which the individual is punished harsh for no reason due to steams own moderation mistakes.

I believe that this issue needs addressed, as does the frequency of certain users who are attacked by the system. There is a lot of injustice surfacing around on steam it simply makes steam look guilty when moderation acts out in such ways.

Over all It leads to a trust issue with both the users about steam and with steam against the users.

What hope do we have for a increased friendly forum community with this type of abuse going on.

in the past i have been victim of abusive moderation that was "a Mistake" why are these mistakes happening and i am just being set up by a abusive moderator that doesn't like what i have to say.

[xBCxRangers]

Leonardo Da Pinchi původně napsal:

xBCxRangers původně napsal:

Well discord i think is affiliated or connected. Not reddit, facebook, or whatever these allegations were. And then, they literally would have to know its you.

You can come to Steam and say "I was just banned from Reddit". The moderator comes on and says, "you been banned constantly from our reddit, and your troublemaking will not stand, you're a problem and now permanently banned"..

"Um, i'm sorry, but i just started an account there, do you have anything to back that allegation up? OOPS.

Some game devs/mods do indeed moderate the game's subreddit on occasions, and subreddit mods iirc can see when multiple accounts are used from one area.

And so what does that have to do with your Steam account? I mean i'm hearing this now. Certainly i wasn't banned from a game hub here, about a reddit or facebook, or places i dont post.

But apparently, it was said i was, And IF i was, that would be a pretty ironclad claim.

That history on other hubs, would furst of all all have to be proven to be you, and even if it was, it has no bearing of what you bought or post on Steam. I mean, does Mr Newell own us, EVERYWHERE we post lol.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Pierce Dalton původně napsal:

Seraphita původně napsal:

This is one of the biggest attempt at deflection that I've seen so far. The fact you didn't deny it is telling but also, come on... Why did you choose this life when better exists...?

Well, I do think that we're all free to believe whatever we want. But keep this in mind, if you're gonna accuse people of doing something, find some evidence first. Otherwise... all you have is words, and words can't prove anything, right?

You mean like you and others accusing moderators of doing stuff that they're not doing without evidence? lol

Where's those shadow bans and the evidence? Don't you guys get tired of making this stuff up day after day and the only reason you do it is to try to make yourselves feel better?

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Pierce Dalton původně napsal:

C²C^Guyver |NZB| původně napsal:

So you were part of a group of troublemakers and you're wondering why you're getting moderated? Really?


I love when people complain about there being a problem and they're actually part of the problem yet they don't want to admit it.

Well, I'm not sure who you're talking to, because you didn't quote anyone. I'm sure that accusing people of being a troublemaker is against the rules, though?

How can I accuse you, when you admitted to being in this group? And it's hardly accusatory if the group exists, is it not?

[Pierce Dalton]

Leonardo Da Pinchi původně napsal:

Pierce Dalton původně napsal:

Well, I do think that we're all free to believe whatever we want. But keep this in mind, if you're gonna accuse people of doing something, find some evidence first. Otherwise... all you have is words, and words can't prove anything, right?

Like you accusing a user of being a Steam moderator by taking a jab at their username?

Is that how you interpret that? I don't think they're an actual moderator I just call them Mod because they tell people to remain civil and stuff like that.

[xBCxRangers]

Caelin původně napsal:

SlowMango původně napsal:

Then it would be wise to not try and brag about them in front of moderators who moderate both. As seen back in March last year.

We talking ATS? The game Rangers went on a tirade about, trying to name and shame the Dev in public over, because his modded save broke with every update, and he demanded the Devs fix it for him?

No, apparently they're saying i was banned from Reddit, and because of that, i was banned on Steam.

You all still cant get it together, in that i was banned for namecalling another poster lol. And posted the receipts at the time.

But o'll go with this. I was banned on Steam, for something said on Reddit. THAT makes plausible sense here in the Land of Misfit Mods.

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

xBCxRangers původně napsal:

Leonardo Da Pinchi původně napsal:

Some game devs/mods do indeed moderate the game's subreddit on occasions, and subreddit mods iirc can see when multiple accounts are used from one area.

And so what does that have to do with your Steam account? I mean i'm hearing this now. Certainly i wasn't banned from a game hub here, about a reddit or facebook, or places i dont post.

But apparently, it was said i was, And IF i was, that would be a pretty ironclad claim.

That history on other hubs, would furst of all all have to be proven to be you, and even if it was, it has no bearing of what you bought or post on Steam. I mean, does Mr Newell own us, EVERYWHERE we post lol.

Did you forget where I said that a Dev has the freedom to remove an abusive user from ALL aspects of community from their game?

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

And your response "what you did is against the rules but not what I did"

lol

The logic in these threads is just wow

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

Pierce Dalton původně napsal:

Leonardo Da Pinchi původně napsal:

Like you accusing a user of being a Steam moderator by taking a jab at their username?

Is that how you interpret that? I don't think they're an actual moderator I just call them Mod because they tell people to remain civil and stuff like that.

So it's a dig at behavior, ergo, to rile someone else, ergo flamebaiting. Thanks for admitting it.

[BJWyler]

Heraclius Caesar původně napsal:

they're just allowing moderators to act as vindictive and arbitrary as they want with no consequences towards legitimate paying customers

The OP isn't a paying customer.

Heraclius Caesar původně napsal:

who aren't even doing or saying anything wrong, just being honest and genuine.

And if you ask most people sitting in a jail cell, they will claim they are completely innocent and simply got screwed by their lawyer.

Golden Unicorn původně napsal:

But really its over the top weird you all know me, and i know all of you, thats just how small the steam world is, can't we find some way to co exist?

No, it's not over the top weird, when it's deliberate on your part.
I'll just leave this here in regards to whether Moderation needs improvement, or just the people who decide that forums are their own personal playground to ruin for everyone else:

Rainbow Unicorn Magic původně napsal:

i make it a personal goal to get banned almost every day, so i can just load up another free throw away steam account and upset the same 20 people so they have a mental meltdown and cry to steam support.

So no, there will be, nor should there ever be, co-existence with trolls on a forum space.
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Inconsistency has always been an issue for moderation, no matter who is doing it or where it is done. Only so much can be done to prevent it when moderation is done by, and involves human beings. We are just an inconsistent species. You can take three different people, have them observe the same forum for a few weeks, ask them their opinions on the moderation of said forum, and you will get three different answers on the "harshness" of the moderation of that forum.

There will be people who always think that moderation is too heavy handed. There will be others that believe moderation is too forgiving. But it will always seem inconsistent. That's why a user can be banned for saying "This thread is comedy gold" while another posting a message containing veiled discriminatory comments goes unpunished. These different viewpoints often come from one's own perception of the rules of the society they are a member of. And of course, with the advent of the Internet, and the anonymity that brings, people have gotten used to the idea that there are no consequences for their actions (aside from losing that sense of empathy for their fellow human beings, but that is a whole other topic for another forum).

It's never been OK to be an arse to other people. It's just that in the good ole days, you would get knocked on your arse for doing so. So people learned to actually be civil to one another and treat each other with respect. When the Internet came along, the Edgelords found a place where they could make arses of themselves as much as they wanted with little consequence. They got used to, and comfortable in that fact that most of the society ignored their little parcel for a couple of decades.

But all that has changed. Now that more of the civil and respectful parts of society have joined this space, the Edgelords are finding that their infantile nonsense is not going to be tolerated here any more either. Of course they don't like that, so they have been lashing out, fueled of course, by certain elected officials that act like spoiled toddlers themselves.

Fortunately, however, the majority of the people hanging around and hosting global spaces, like Steam, are part of the civil and respectful part of society, so we're going to make sure those spaces remain civil and respectful. It's just that simple. Moderation is simply just the Edgelords getting knocked on their arses, just like the good ole days. As it should be.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Pierce Dalton původně napsal:

Leonardo Da Pinchi původně napsal:

Like you accusing a user of being a Steam moderator by taking a jab at their username?

Is that how you interpret that? I don't think they're an actual moderator I just call them Mod because they tell people to remain civil and stuff like that.

See? What they did is against the rules, but not what I did.


The problem with most of you in this thread is you think the rules should apply to everyone else but not you. News flash: they apply to everyone.

[Boblin the Goblin]

xBCxRangers původně napsal:

Caelin původně napsal:

We talking ATS? The game Rangers went on a tirade about, trying to name and shame the Dev in public over, because his modded save broke with every update, and he demanded the Devs fix it for him?

No, apparently they're saying i was banned from Reddit, and because of that, i was banned Steam. You all still can;t get it together, in that i was banned for namecalling another poster lol. And posted the receipts at the time.

Didn't say that at all.

I already highlighted that part. Too bad it was ignored.

[76561199540158642]

i noticed that different mods tend to be in charge of different sub forums on the steam hub, that being the case i have noticed some corruption in

off topic sub forum
steam suggestion sub forum

the steam discussion sub forum seems a little less hostile, as does the hardware subforum

typically i think moderators like to section these sub forums off to keep clarity about whos doing what, The whole thing really needs put under the microscope, steams become a much worse place, and its only got'n more empty.

Whos moderating the moderators, maybe its the general manage of the moderation team, who ever is working with the corrupt steam forum users needs to be given a nice long vacation away from steam.

[xBCxRangers]

Leonardo Da Pinchi původně napsal:

xBCxRangers původně napsal:

And so what does that have to do with your Steam account? I mean i'm hearing this now. Certainly i wasn't banned from a game hub here, about a reddit or facebook, or places i dont post.

But apparently, it was said i was, And IF i was, that would be a pretty ironclad claim.

That history on other hubs, would furst of all all have to be proven to be you, and even if it was, it has no bearing of what you bought or post on Steam. I mean, does Mr Newell own us, EVERYWHERE we post lol.

Did you forget where I said that a Dev has the freedom to remove an abusive user from ALL aspects of community from their game?

Where does it say that in the TOS?

[Boblin the Goblin]

xBCxRangers původně napsal:

Leonardo Da Pinchi původně napsal:

Did you forget where I said that a Dev has the freedom to remove an abusive user from ALL aspects of community from their game?

Where does it say that in the TOS?

ToS only states what can't be done. Which that isn't listed as something they can't do.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

xBCxRangers původně napsal:

Leonardo Da Pinchi původně napsal:

Did you forget where I said that a Dev has the freedom to remove an abusive user from ALL aspects of community from their game?

Where does it say that in the TOS?

Why so he can show it to you and you can scoff it off? Just like you did with Windows 7. Even if it existed and he posted it here you would come up with some BS excuse of why it's not valid.