Steam Is Responsible For The Day Before

[BLOOD ASYLUM]

The dev is closing a few days after this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ EA system steam allows. I guess if you followed the game, there were issues. Steam pulled it at one point. What does Valve/Steam do? Still let this dumbass dev sell a product, and make some money off it with them before they run.

Blaming the customer is the drug dealer mindset. Taking advantage of people with mental illness, addiction, trauma, and recognizing this is the population you're preying on.

EA doesn't allow for proper information when making a decision to purchase. If a user is responsible for buying The Day Before, because it looked bad from the start, then why would Steam sell it? They should know it was bad too, right? Does the consumer have to be more educated than steam?

A drug dealer knows he's selling you heroine and what it's going to do to you. He knows it doesn't help you, he is okay leading you down a bad path to worsen yourself for his gain.

Early Access is deliberately vague in terms, and is totally there to benefit fake games and falsely represented games, while giving them an out. The developer chooses what to show the customer, the developer controls the comments and narrative on the forums that could warn of a bad product. It is simply not a market that encourages an educated customer, but it is to take advantage of an optimistic and hopeful customer.

By buying into Early Access, the intention is to make the dream come alive, to support an idea or a dev you like. Yet, the dev or steam, have no obligation in that. It winds up being the customers dream, and their dream alone. The customer is expected to be altruistic to their project, to buy in and support it! All while there's no delivery. A product can be Early Access for Years? What? Oh it's because its vague tos protects the swindlers.

These devs are the drug dealers, but steam is the trap house. They know what's happening in their house, they just look the other way. Valve allows early access, they allow this climate, this is their service, this is their product.

[Celebrindan]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย crunchyfrog:

There's nothing to blame Valve for here..

Except for the fact that a just few months back, in previous threads about these exact issues, I had mods here bragging about games that had been in the 'EA' stage (read: BETA) for over a decade, as if it was actually something to be proud of, instead of something being utterly ridiculous.

When called out for it, they send in the bots to get the thread locked.

Steam is an enabler, of corporate greed and bad faith actions.

Even allowing them to alter the paradigm through use of the term 'Early Access' to rebrand and replace the term 'Beta' for pre-'Gold' release stages of development, as a way for scummy, two-bit developers to charge gamers money for helping them debug their crappy code, was dishonest, collusive and underhanded.

Steam is not blameless in this.

They could have easily said 'No.'

Now, watch the bots come running.

[Komarimaru]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Celebrindan:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย crunchyfrog:

There's nothing to blame Valve for here..

Except for the fact that a just few months back, in previous threads about these exact issues, I had mods here bragging about games that had been in the 'EA' stage (read: BETA) for over a decade, as if it was actually something to be proud of, instead of something being utterly ridiculous.

When called out for it, they send in the bots to get the thread locked.

Steam is an enabler, of corporate greed and bad faith actions.

Even allowing them to alter the paradigm through use of the term 'Early Access' to rebrand and replace the term 'Beta' for pre-'Gold' release stages of development, as a way for scummy, two-bit developers to charge gamers money for helping them debug their crappy code, was dishonest, collusive and underhanded.

Steam is not blameless in this.

They could have easily said 'No.'

Now, watch the bots come running.

The whole point of Early Access, is that it is a risk. Why each game has that big blue banner warning you cannot miss. Many great games came out of Early Access, many games are still great to play while still in Early Access.

Early Access isn't the problem, bad developers are, and you don't need Early Access for that.

[Zefar]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Celebrindan:

Except for the fact that a just few months back, in previous threads about these exact issues, I had mods here bragging about games that had been in the 'EA' stage (read: BETA) for over a decade, as if it was actually something to be proud of, instead of something being utterly ridiculous.

I'm gonna do "Press X for doubt" on that one. Some of the older mods might just have brought up titles have been fully released. Even if it took them several years.
But without Early Access that game would never have seen the light of the day.
This is something you people seems to forget.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Celebrindan:

When called out for it, they send in the bots to get the thread locked.

Steam is an enabler, of corporate greed and bad faith actions.

Not sure what topic you claim are being locked. If you claim it's those about people trashing Early Access games, you're wrong because I've seen all of them stay up.

Gamers these days have the easiest with finding information about a game. A 5 minute research before buying an Early Access game could stop so many issues for people.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Celebrindan:

Even allowing them to alter the paradigm through use of the term 'Early Access' to rebrand and replace the term 'Beta' for pre-'Gold' release stages of development, as a way for scummy, two-bit developers to charge gamers money for helping them debug their crappy code, was dishonest, collusive and underhanded.

Steam is not blameless in this.

They could have easily said 'No.'

Now, watch the bots come running.

Early Access games have a massive blue banner that warns everyone who is going to buy it. Steam are not hiding anything.

If you still decide "Ah yes, I'll buy this without doing a single bit of research." it's on you.

[Tito Shivan]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Celebrindan:

Except for the fact that a just few months back, in previous threads about these exact issues, I had mods here bragging about games that had been in the 'EA' stage (read: BETA) for over a decade, as if it was actually something to be proud of, instead of something being utterly ridiculous.

Yo do realise lots of games out of early access also spend large amounts of time in development?
Final Fantasy XV development took a decade. Development of TF2 took 8. Starcraft 2 took almost as long...

Being stuck in development happens. In and out of early access.

[Celebrindan]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Komarimaru:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Celebrindan:

Except for the fact that a just few months back, in previous threads about these exact issues, I had mods here bragging about games that had been in the 'EA' stage (read: BETA) for over a decade, as if it was actually something to be proud of, instead of something being utterly ridiculous.

When called out for it, they send in the bots to get the thread locked.

Steam is an enabler, of corporate greed and bad faith actions.

Even allowing them to alter the paradigm through use of the term 'Early Access' to rebrand and replace the term 'Beta' for pre-'Gold' release stages of development, as a way for scummy, two-bit developers to charge gamers money for helping them debug their crappy code, was dishonest, collusive and underhanded.

Steam is not blameless in this.

They could have easily said 'No.'

Now, watch the bots come running.

The whole point of Early Access, is that it is a risk. Why each game has that big blue banner warning you cannot miss. Many great games came out of Early Access, many games are still great to play while still in Early Access.

Early Access isn't the problem, bad developers are, and you don't need Early Access for that.

The whole point of calling it 'Early Access' was to be able to charge money for the 'privilege' of doing a developer's BETA TESTING.

Way to miss the point, entirely.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Zefar:

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I'm gonna do "Press X for doubt" on that one. Some of the older mods might just have brought up titles have been fully released. Even if it took them several years.
But without Early Access that game would never have seen the light of the day.
This is something you people seems to forget.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Celebrindan:

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Not sure what topic you claim are being locked. If you claim it's those about people trashing Early Access games, you're wrong because I've seen all of them stay up.

Gamers these days have the easiest with finding information about a game. A 5 minute research before buying an Early Access game could stop so many issues for people.

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Early Access games have a massive blue banner that warns everyone who is going to buy it. Steam are not hiding anything.

If you still decide "Ah yes, I'll buy this without doing a single bit of research." it's on you.

Ah, yes.
Pretending Caveat Emptor is moral just because it's legal.
All while pretending that bots don't fill reviews with corporate whitewash, and that none of us trying to point out these issues have ever done a bit of research.
At the same time insisting on using the corporate-speak, without shame or any sense of irony.
I'm gonna press the X for Bot on this one, just for pretending threads here don't get locked, and pretending to have every single thread/subject here memorized.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Tito Shivan:

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Yo do realise lots of games out of early access also spend large amounts of time in development?
Final Fantasy XV development took a decade. Development of TF2 took 8. Starcraft 2 took almost as long...

Being stuck in development happens. In and out of early access.

I don't care how long it takes to properly develop good code.

I do care that so many here have swallowed the hook, line and sinker of EULA-writing lawyer-speak and insist on calling the Beta Testing phase of that development 'Early Access'.

It has nothing to do with 'access'.

It is because there are tens of millions of computers out there with millions of variations in hardware configuration and driver implementations.

Getting code to run smoothly on all of them is a herculean task that cannot be done in-house for any developer.

It is not the same as developing code for set-top boxes or hand-helds, where the variations can pretty much be counted on the fingers of one hand.

Beta Testing is a service that developers used to thank participants for, because it helped them refine their code.

Early Access is a lie.

The proof of this is simple to see.

Find an 'Early Access' game that doesn't have a website forum for bug reporting, and I will abandon my position and cede the field.

Not only can you not do this, the sheer number of postings back and forth between devs and beta testers, along with the data collection EULAs required to participate, will make mockery of any and all EA arguments.

Shame on gamers who don't understand this, and not those taken in by the constant barrage advertising and/or false reviews.

Each time every single one of us opens Steam, the first thing we see is a pop-up ad, yet there are still many here who insist that Caveat Emptor is both moral and just.

No wonder the world is falling apart.

[Tito Shivan]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Celebrindan:

The whole point of calling it 'Early Access' was to be able to charge money for the 'privilege' of doing a developer's BETA TESTING.

You're not beta-testing an early access game.

Early Access point was allowing people to enjoy on Steam games in development they already were being made and played out of Steam.

One upon a time the Steam forums were full of people asking "Why isn't Minecraft (beta) not on Steam"

[Vox]

Gotta love people that stick up for Valve's failure to moderate their own store lmao.

[Boblin the Goblin]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Celebrindan:

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Find a released game without bug reports.

[Dozer]

you guys should go to bed
your old
your dying
and yet your fighting over a video game

[Zukabazuka]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Labyrinth:

Gotta love people that stick up for Valve's failure to moderate their own store lmao.

Nobody is forcing people to buy them, its like buying Chinese stuff and finding out all of them are horrible with zero quality. You don't see people defending China there, we are blaming the people who buy them without even investigating why they are dirt cheap.
Same with this game. The less info you have before launch, the less reason you should have to buy it. We can't stop idiots from buying it, no matter how many warning flags there are. Some people will always buy it and then complain that it wasn't that. If money is so important to these people then maybe they should wait and see if the game actually delivers. There is gonna be a review about the game or videos on the very first day.

[Vox]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Zukabazuka:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Labyrinth:

Gotta love people that stick up for Valve's failure to moderate their own store lmao.

Nobody is forcing people to buy them, its like buying Chinese stuff and finding out all of them are horrible with zero quality. You don't see people defending China there, we are blaming the people who buy them without even investigating why they are dirt cheap.
Same with this game. The less info you have before launch, the less reason you should have to buy it. We can't stop idiots from buying it, no matter how many warning flags there are. Some people will always buy it and then complain that it wasn't that. If money is so important to these people then maybe they should wait and see if the game actually delivers. There is gonna be a review about the game or videos on the very first day.

Apart from the fact you can get a refund/replacement on Chinese stuff, as Europe has a two year warranty. So your argument doesn't work.

Valve should moderate the store and stop being lazy.

[Boblin the Goblin]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Labyrinth:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Zukabazuka:

Nobody is forcing people to buy them, its like buying Chinese stuff and finding out all of them are horrible with zero quality. You don't see people defending China there, we are blaming the people who buy them without even investigating why they are dirt cheap.
Same with this game. The less info you have before launch, the less reason you should have to buy it. We can't stop idiots from buying it, no matter how many warning flags there are. Some people will always buy it and then complain that it wasn't that. If money is so important to these people then maybe they should wait and see if the game actually delivers. There is gonna be a review about the game or videos on the very first day.

Apart from the fact you can get a refund/replacement on Chinese stuff, as Europe has a two year warranty. So your argument doesn't work.

Valve should moderate the store and stop being lazy.

Then by your logic they are since you can get a refund.

In fact, for The Day Before, they are giving refunds regardless of play time.

[Jessian Kaanneo]

thank the maker i waited with it on follow BEFORE buying.

STEAM needs to put new regulations in place for ANY company trying this EA pish to get a quick buck.

Some companies, actually are respected by the PC gamers who will invest in them, for example GrimDawn was an exceptional EA game. and lots of others as well. but these shoddy companies that just pop up and then disband ( acutally rename themselves) need to be ousted and forced by STEAM NOT to use the Early access route.

My advice, DO NOT SPEND YOUR CASH UPFRONT !!

Follow the game, follow the company, when release date comes check the reviews as i am sure there will be free review copies sent out. So your not caught like this again.

Hope everyone gets there refund.

[BLOOD ASYLUM]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Labyrinth:

Gotta love people that stick up for Valve's failure to moderate their own store lmao.

This comment is brilliant

[Boblin the Goblin]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย BLOOD ASYLUM:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Labyrinth:

Gotta love people that stick up for Valve's failure to moderate their own store lmao.

This comment is brilliant

Not as brilliant as thinking a refund should be issued after owning a game for more than a year.