Hope no one filled out that litigation form.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Hope no one filled out that litigation form. As seen here,[www.reuters.com] that lawfirm is now being hit back by Valve.

An associate who worked at the firm showed Valve an internal slideshow explaining that the litigation was meant to be an investment opportunity for the firm. They planned to do this by just intimidating Valve into signing a settlement based on the sheer number of users who signed up to be represented.

This, by the way, is illegal in many states.

Whoops.

[aiusepsi]

tank16365 eredeti hozzászólása:

Was that the one advertising on Facebook?? The scrawny lawyer guy?

If you mean Will Bucher, sort of.

Valve is suing Zaiger, which is a law firm that hired Bucher. Bucher pitched them on extorting Valve by trying to force them to settle rather than paying the filing fees to defend against thousand of arbitrations. Zaiger then fired Bucher, who started his own Valve-extortion scheme independently. He also sued Zaiger, and a slide deck he included as an exhibit in that case was included in Valve's suit against Zaiger.

[Brian9824]

aiusepsi eredeti hozzászólása:

tank16365 eredeti hozzászólása:

Was that the one advertising on Facebook?? The scrawny lawyer guy?

If you mean Will Bucher, sort of.

Valve is suing Zaiger, which is a law firm that hired Bucher. Bucher pitched them on extorting Valve by trying to force them to settle rather than paying the filing fees to defend against thousand of arbitrations. Zaiger then fired Bucher, who started his own Valve-extortion scheme independently. He also sued Zaiger, and a slide deck he included as an exhibit in that case was included in Valve's suit against Zaiger.

From what i'm reading it was Zaiger who pitched the idea, not Bucher who worked with them on it. They pitched it to an investment group who gave them seed money to fund this which makes it a clear cut violation of numerous laws

[Tito Shivan]

SlowMango eredeti hozzászólása:

Hope no one filled out that litigation form. As seen here,[www.reuters.com] that lawfirm is now being hit back by Valve.

Picture me surprised /s

The slides are really worth a watch, BTW:
https://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/legaldocs/xmvjlawjrvr/frankel-valvevzaiger--massarbpowerpoint.pdf

[Brian9824]

Tito Shivan eredeti hozzászólása:

SlowMango eredeti hozzászólása:

Hope no one filled out that litigation form. As seen here,[www.reuters.com] that lawfirm is now being hit back by Valve.

Picture me surprised /s

The slides are really worth a watch, BTW:
https://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/legaldocs/xmvjlawjrvr/frankel-valvevzaiger--massarbpowerpoint.pdf

Wow, its a literal modern day ambulance chaser

[Yzal]

oh no, those poor peop-
AAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHA!!!

[Cathulhu]

Doesn't surprise me at all. I called them shakedown scammers months ago. Nice to see that Valve shares my opinion.

Proof:
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/1/3833171151469212438/#c3833171151469248502

[Mad Scientist]

Cathulhu eredeti hozzászólása:

Doesn't surprise me at all. I called them shakedown scammers months ago. Nice to see that Valve shares my opinion.

Now that they have the slides as well it basically confirms the overall intention to be only that rather than anything truly lawful. Those other parties are going to lose a lot of money when this is all over with.

Heck, maybe that'll end up in an ironic way, a payout so big that they make some sort of Proton Gaming Laptop, "Steam Deck XL" lol

[Cathulhu]

Anyone doing their homework would have known that Valve likes to take it to court. And with the slideshow now being public, they are totally screwed. They can kiss their behinds goodbye.
Not only will they lose tons of money, they can also be jailed and/or disbarred aka loosing the right to act as a lawyer.

[Start_Running]

Even Pikachu can't be shocked at this

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

Man I can only imagine the poor suckers that fell for the scam acting in utter horror, or in damage control when they see this, there's going to be some "GABEN STILL GOING TO PIZSON" or other monkey flinging contest sooner or later as a result of people being so upset about something that never took place

[temps]

Heraclius Caesar eredeti hozzászólása:

Odra eredeti hozzászólása:

I do feel bad for all the individuals whose idealism led them to follow these foolish lawfirms, then again who is more foolish? The fool or the fool who follows him?

I don't feel bad for them and honestly there wasn't any idealism, just some fools who thought they could sign something and get some money down the road. It was a scam from the start.

Yeah I definitely think most/all of them were just people trying to get free money they don't deserve.

Also the idea Steam is a "monopoly" that needs the attention of anti-trust laws is ridiculous considering there are so many other more deserving cases of companies monopolizing things. YouTube is a genuine monopoly, for example. Sure there's some other smaller video websites but they have tiny user populations relative to YouTube. And Google didn't even do anything to earn that user population... they just threw their corporate money around and bought up YouTube. A lot of people would go as far as to say they actually made YouTube worse, but where will discontented YouTubers go? All the creators they want are on YouTube. And creators are unwilling to leave YouTube because there aren't many viewers on alternative platforms... a self-reinforcing monopoly.

The greatest irony of the whole situation is that Steam is arguably disrupting existing monopolies on the market by dramatically increasing the amount of software support for smaller operating systems like Linux as they fight against the bloated Microsoft Windows monopoly. I mean the only serious OS choice you had for PC gaming was Windows up until Steam created Proton for Linux. And Windows seems like it's arguably more of a monopoly than Steam is, especially in the area of PC gaming.

The company actually bringing much-needed options and competition to the PC operating system market (Valve) and disrupting monopolies ends up getting accused of being a monopoly...it's crazy!

Not to mention how Steam is fighting the Meta monopoly on non-console VR gaming.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Caldari Military Sly Succubus eredeti hozzászólása:

Man I can only imagine the poor suckers that fell for the scam acting in utter horror, or in damage control when they see this, there's going to be some "GABEN STILL GOING TO PIZSON" or other monkey flinging contest sooner or later as a result of people being so upset about something that never took place

If you peek at the lawsuit thread, they still are. Some just wiped all their comments that were vehemently defending the lawsuit. But quotes still exist.

[Watermelon {JESUS IS LORD}]

cSg|mc-Hotsauce eredeti hozzászólása:

SlowMango eredeti hozzászólása:

I wonder if a certain user will see this. I doubt anything will change from them but they signed it IIRC.

He's usually not on this late.

me?

[76561199540158642]

this type of gloating by steam owned accounts pretending to be real users will only lead to more lawsuits.

Just because 1 law firm did it the wrong way doesn't mean there is not legitimate reason to prosecute, If anything this whole thread is being recorded by 3rd parties, In a attempt to gather more information into the misdeeds and unprofessional nature of steam and its forums.

When it comes down to ethical breaks and data collection government agencies get involved, nobody is out for a piece of what steam doesn't have, which is real profit.

it has been discussed that the tech industry across the board is broke, this includes video games, which as can be seen steam is often times relying on small unknown zero overhead developer companies to supply then with quick flash cash sales.

such as steams top 10 game "Lethal Company" which was a unknown developer, who released countless poor quality an failed software on steam, which steam mysteriously removed after the success of one suspected fraud marketing advertisement put the game in the top 1 sales spot on steam.


what really needs to happen is a deep dive investigation.

into

steams forums
steams marketing
steams trade market
steams scamming of trade market values
steams theft of relevant user data
steams denial of service and framing of innocent users so steam can protect its scams and fraud.

all of these things need investigated by the governments of each nation. While steam sells games to play international.

steam also engages with international trading and gambling as its currency known as "steam wallet" can be misused to provide and even fund criminal activity by the means to pay individual parties for acts that are counter to the safety of all nations.

while everyone hopes this doesn't happen, the breach of ethical services across international lines puts steam in a serious and dangerous situation which can effect the security of information and data collection across all said nations that allow connection to steam.


FYI steam is capturing data from every user it has in the world, it is not just a usa issue or europe issue it is a world issue, as steam has data on china, turkey, russia, and even saudi and israel users.

the thoughts what laws this breaks and what could be done with this information if it fell into the wrong hands, is catastrophic to all Nations security

[Tito Shivan]

SlowMango eredeti hozzászólása:

Caldari Military Sly Succubus eredeti hozzászólása:

Man I can only imagine the poor suckers that fell for the scam acting in utter horror, or in damage control when they see this, there's going to be some "GABEN STILL GOING TO PIZSON" or other monkey flinging contest sooner or later as a result of people being so upset about something that never took place

If you peek at the lawsuit thread, they still are. Some just wiped all their comments that were vehemently defending the lawsuit. But quotes still exist.

"And that's why quoting is abusive and should be removed"

Golden Unicorn eredeti hozzászólása:

If anything this whole thread is being recorded by 3rd parties, In a attempt to gather more information into the misdeeds and unprofessional nature of steam and its forums.

[Yawns] Yeah sure.