So will be interesting to see if Steam Mass Refunds everyone who purchased The Day Before

[Brian9824]

https://www.fntastic.com/

The dev's just announced they are closing 4 days after releasing the game. Will be VERY interesting to see what Steam does.

Publicado originalmente por fntastic:

"We invested all our efforts, resources and man-hours into the development of The Day Before, which was our first huge game," Fntastic's statement reads. "We really wanted to release new patches to reveal the full potential of the game, but unfortunately, we don't have the funding to continue the work.

"It's important to note that we didn't take any money from the public during the development of The Day Before; there were no pre-orders or crowdfunding campaigns. We worked tirelessly for five years, pouring our blood, sweat and tears into the game.

"At the moment, the future of The Day Before and Propnight is unknown, but servers will stay operational. We apologise if we didn't meet your expectations. We did everything within our power, but unfortunately, we miscalculated our capabilities. Creating games is an incredibly challenging endeavour."

**UPDATE**
https://www.ign.com/articles/the-day-before-dev-promises-refunds-tells-customers-st-happens

Dev's are promising refunds to anyone who wants them which seems to match with users on the forum getting automatic refund who were over the normal limit

Following the disastrous launch of The Day Before, its developer has said it is working with Steam to make refunds available to all, and insisted it will receive no money from sales of the game.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Publicado originalmente por C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

Publicado originalmente por Zoltan:

With all the class action lawsuits Steam is buried in they will have no choice but to refund or loose all their current cases of unethical practises.

Valve nor Steam didn't do anything wrong. They aren't responsible for a game that they didn't even develop or publish, being crap. I really don't know how you guys come to some of these wacky conclusions.

Valve didn't call the game an MMO when it was actually an extraction shooter, the game developers did.

Even the developer won't get sued as long as they refund all of the money.

Doubt the devs will have a choice.

[Zoltan]

With all the big money Steam makes you would think they hire their own game tester that approves its release. Steam needs to be held accountable for being part of many scams.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Publicado originalmente por Zoltan:

With all the big money Steam makes you would think they hire their own game tester that approves its release. Steam needs to be held accountable for being part of many scams.

It isn't Valves job to beta test a game that they didn't create or publish. Do you guys just say stuff and assume that it sounds good or what?

[Aluvard]

Publicado originalmente por Zoltan:

With all the big money Steam makes you would think they hire their own game tester that approves its release. Steam needs to be held accountable for being part of many scams.

Valve didn't produce that game. It's like saying, that you or some other random user should be for whatever reason, responsible for game quality.

[ᑓᑌᑎᕬ]

All individuals who, in a voluntary manner, obtained the game even after warnings and red flags - those people do not deserve sorrow. You don't even have to use up these two hours to realize what an asset showcase this "game" is ...

[Zoltan]

Well its like China makes drugs. Mexicans are in Charge of getting them across the border and the street dealers do all the selling.

Its like we are saying that the street dealers selling drugs have no responsibility for breaking the law.

But I see its all hands on deck for the Steam Damage Control Team.

[KalGimpa]

Publicado originalmente por SlowMango:

Publicado originalmente por Zoltan:

With all the class action lawsuits Steam is buried in they will have no choice but to refund or loose all their current cases of unethical practises.

They aren't involved in any class action lawsuits.

there was the one with the devs

but customers wer specifically removed from that

then there is that company zaiger trying to sue

this is an interesting read for that

https://www.reuters.com/legal/legalindustry/column-mass-arbitration-target-valve-accuses-law-firm-litigation-funder-2023-12-08/

[Boblin the Goblin]

Publicado originalmente por KalCuey:

Publicado originalmente por SlowMango:

They aren't involved in any class action lawsuits.

there was the one with the devs

but customers wer specifically removed from that

then there is that company zaiger trying to sue

this is an interesting read for that

https://www.reuters.com/legal/legalindustry/column-mass-arbitration-target-valve-accuses-law-firm-litigation-funder-2023-12-08/

Yeah, it isn't a class action. The legal firm is having to file individually for each person that makes the mistake of filling out the form on their website.

[KalGimpa]

Publicado originalmente por SlowMango:

Publicado originalmente por KalCuey:

there was the one with the devs

but customers wer specifically removed from that

then there is that company zaiger trying to sue

this is an interesting read for that

https://www.reuters.com/legal/legalindustry/column-mass-arbitration-target-valve-accuses-law-firm-litigation-funder-2023-12-08/

Yeah, it isn't a class action. The legal firm is having to file individually for each person that makes the mistake of filling out the form on their website.

yup

only things i could find

interesting seeing that bit

Valve said Zaiger’s slide presentation laid bare the firm’s vision of mass arbitration as a pure money play. Zaiger outlined the “Lifecycle of Investment” in a mass arbitration campaign, explaining how the firm would use start-up money to recruit clients by the thousands, preferably in order to target companies worth about $10 billion – big enough to afford a hundred-million-dollar settlement but small enough to be pressured into a quick deal to avoid the threat of filing fees for tens of thousands of arbitration cases.

The slide presentation specifically suggested Valve as a target, since the company had already been sued in a class action alleging that the distribution platform abused its market dominance. A federal judge refused in 2022 to dismiss antitrust claims by software developers who used Steam to distribute their products. The same judge ruled that Steam consumers must arbitrate their claims

[Boblin the Goblin]

Publicado originalmente por KalCuey:

Publicado originalmente por SlowMango:

Yeah, it isn't a class action. The legal firm is having to file individually for each person that makes the mistake of filling out the form on their website.

yup

only things i could find

interesting seeing that bit

Valve said Zaiger’s slide presentation laid bare the firm’s vision of mass arbitration as a pure money play. Zaiger outlined the “Lifecycle of Investment” in a mass arbitration campaign, explaining how the firm would use start-up money to recruit clients by the thousands, preferably in order to target companies worth about $10 billion – big enough to afford a hundred-million-dollar settlement but small enough to be pressured into a quick deal to avoid the threat of filing fees for tens of thousands of arbitration cases.

The slide presentation specifically suggested Valve as a target, since the company had already been sued in a class action alleging that the distribution platform abused its market dominance. A federal judge refused in 2022 to dismiss antitrust claims by software developers who used Steam to distribute their products. The same judge ruled that Steam consumers must arbitrate their claims

Yeah, I just saw that lol. I looked at it and it literally labels the suit as an 'investment opportunity'. It's pretty ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ damning.

[KalGimpa]

Publicado originalmente por SlowMango:

Publicado originalmente por KalCuey:

yup

only things i could find

interesting seeing that bit

Valve said Zaiger’s slide presentation laid bare the firm’s vision of mass arbitration as a pure money play. Zaiger outlined the “Lifecycle of Investment” in a mass arbitration campaign, explaining how the firm would use start-up money to recruit clients by the thousands, preferably in order to target companies worth about $10 billion – big enough to afford a hundred-million-dollar settlement but small enough to be pressured into a quick deal to avoid the threat of filing fees for tens of thousands of arbitration cases.

The slide presentation specifically suggested Valve as a target, since the company had already been sued in a class action alleging that the distribution platform abused its market dominance. A federal judge refused in 2022 to dismiss antitrust claims by software developers who used Steam to distribute their products. The same judge ruled that Steam consumers must arbitrate their claims

Yeah, I just saw that lol. I looked at it and it literally labels the suit as an 'investment opportunity'. It's pretty ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ damning.

right?

like ambulance chasers of the digital world

[davidb11]

Publicado originalmente por Zoltan:

Well its like China makes drugs. Mexicans are in Charge of getting them across the border and the street dealers do all the selling.

Its like we are saying that the street dealers selling drugs have no responsibility for breaking the law.

But I see its all hands on deck for the Steam Damage Control Team.

Your claim and comparison makes no sense.
You're not even trying.

Good grief.

Literally no way can you think Valve has the power to test EVERY GAME EVER on it's platform to make sure it won't become a bad thing.

[MissWao]

intervene?

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Publicado originalmente por Zoltan:

Well its like China makes drugs. Mexicans are in Charge of getting them across the border and the street dealers do all the selling.

Its like we are saying that the street dealers selling drugs have no responsibility for breaking the law.

But I see its all hands on deck for the Steam Damage Control Team.

They didn't cause this, there is no damage control for Steam or Valve.

Valve is the distributor only. Even the developer handles the downloads, do you realize that a developer can remove the ability for you to download a game? Because I've had it happen.

Developers pay Valve $100 per game that they put on Steam. That amount is refunded once a game sells a certain amount of copies. If you read the documentation, developers and publishers are in soul control of their game and that games store page on Steam.

So many people need to stop assuming that just because a game is on this platform, that it means that Valve has control over it. They don't have any control over it as far as testing it to make sure that it is worthy to be on the store. That is the developer's job.

Now if the developers don't refund the money for the game? Then Valves' may step in, but not until something like that happens.

[ShadowShifterMarlith]

I sorta get the Argument here...

Valve did not make the Video Game, but Valve is responsible
for making sure the Company behind the Video Game does
not break laws, does not break rules, does not do anything
shady... It's Valv'e responsibility to keep STEAM as a Clean
Platform, & keep making sure Companies handle their own
Video Games under a certain criteria they must follow if they
want to be apart of the STEAM Eco System...

This Company behind The Day Before, not only made
a mistake on their own Game Hub, or even possibly
did this on purpose, but the Company even went as
far as try to Erase all evidence of the problem, &
Ultimately tried to hide not only their Excuses under
the rug, but this Company also refused to make things
right with their Customers over this Problem...

This in turn means that this Company behind The Day Before,
is openly spreading conflicts, & a negative atmosphere between
them, & their Customers, which in turn supposedly would
be a form of breaking some kind of Standard on STEAM
that they were supposed to follow... & Because they were
breaking that Standard, Valve is responsible for coming
out, & addressing this with them, & if things didn't get better,
then Valve's responsibility should be to have them removed
from the Platform, or come up with some kind of Punishment,
because at the end of the Day, it's Valve's Platform, & they
are in charge...

But that is not what is going on, Valve is actually making
the problem worst, because instead of taking charge of
the situation, Valve is actually butting in, & stating that
they aren't responsible at all, & that it's not their Video Game,
& that Valve is in the right to allow things to get worst
between this Company, & their Customer...

There for, this Lawsuit, or whatever, hate or whatever
against Valve is actually legit the Customer's right to
be angry over this... It is their right to put this on Valve,
not just the Company in this particular case...

And that is exactly what these Customers are doing...




Do these Customers have a case that would hold up in Court?
I have no idea... Do I think this was Deliberate, or a Mistake?
I have no idea... What do I think of the situation?

It's possible it was an honest mistake, & that People are just
blowing up about nothing, but the fact that the Company is
trying to go through great lenghts, & efforts to shove all the
evidence under the rung, & hide it, tells me that there is a
little something more going on then just a simple mistake,
& the fact that Valve is acting the way that they are acting
over it... I'm going to have to side with the Customers on this one...

Clearly something is going on, something we aren't aware of,
& there might be more that we don't know about, & they don't
want us to know at the surface underneath it all, a deeper
problem then we are all lead to believe, something just tells
me there is something shady about it, & that is all...


PS: I Will COPY / PASTE On Game Hub...