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Vasilevsy 2023 年 12 月 10 日 上午 11:30
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How to make gaming less WOKE?!
Any idea will be helpful.

P.S. No, I don't need to define "woke". If the word is controversial for you or you don't know the meaning, please avoid commenting. Also avoid commenting if you think woke is good for gaming, thank you!
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Ȼħⱥꞥꞥēł8753452 2023 年 12 月 12 日 下午 11:10 
Who cares? People should have full creative freedom, and shouldn't give into forms of censorship regardless of agenda or political side. That includes giving into pandering from outside or internal pressure.

I just want to screw around and play games, and do whatever I want within the game world.
最後修改者:Ȼħⱥꞥꞥēł8753452; 2023 年 12 月 12 日 下午 11:11
Tito Shivan 2023 年 12 月 12 日 下午 11:28 
引用自 m4wr0n1C
If they want my money they have to appeal to my brand of politics, and not someone elses, and my EXACT brand of politics, and have EXACTLY 100% what I want and like.
Irony aside this is the real kind of problem some people are bitter about. They're no longer the 'customer of the month'. Their kind isn't anymore under the spotlight and dad has moved unto nurturing the newborn baby.

What we see in gaming isn't much different of what you can see on a lot of hobbies that went mainstream. Gatekeppers angry at their hobby now appealing to a broader spectrum of people and not just THEM. THEM WHO DEVOTED THEIR LIVES AND IDENTITIES TO THE HOBBY. The dark and moody pub they used to hang in has changed ownership and now it's a sunny and colorful family and kids friendly coffee shop, and they're angry at it.

引用自 m4wr0n1C
Otherwise I'll spout my rage about it on some forum until the Big Game companies come and look, because that is a 100% productive use of time. Rather than voting with my wallet, its important to rant how it affects me instead, because video games are so important to my entire identity as a person, that they are my sole character trait. And so anything that affects that precious sanctity in video games is The Antichrist. /s
Let's not forget there's a HUGE internet business based around outrage. Ragebait is a HUGE tool for engagement and can rent some juicy ad revenue, so people attach it to whatever is the theme of the week. That's why a lot of people are always angry about everything that happens. And some people take that crap seriously. Some people genuinenly believe some grown ass man is having a real meltdown on the screen because of "♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ pronoums" on a game... And share it, view it, talk about it...

As the meme says: "We Paid a Freelancer to Say a Thing You Like Is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ because the Google/Facebook duopoly ate the whole digital ad market and now harvesting hate clicks is the only viable business model for online media"
Seralyne 2023 年 12 月 13 日 上午 12:12 
引用自 Vasilevsy
Any idea will be helpful.

P.S. No, I don't need to define "woke". If the word is controversial for you or you don't know the meaning, please avoid commenting. Also avoid commenting if you think woke is good for gaming, thank you!

Considering woke seems to just mean "whatever the right wingers don't like at the current time", a concrete definition does seem to be needed.

Can't think woke is good for gaming if I don't actually believe woke exists.

引用自 ragefifty50
what do the un-woke people do... are they not making enough games...

Turns out there aren't a whole lot of them. Like I'm sorry, but this industry is rooted in social outcasts playing DnD in the 70s. Turns out you're more likely to sympathise with other outcasts when you, yourself are one.

引用自 Doomerang
The woke are just today’s racists. The kind of people that will cry victim as they stab you in the gut. and the people here defending it are either ill informed or glad they can live out their racist fantasies

Just laugh in their face whenever they try to virtue signal to you, they are the world’s largest hypocrites. Screw any dev that takes that blood money from those special interest groups

The other way around, actually. It is pretty easily demonstrable as well. The "Blue Lives Matter" crowd are with the MAGA/anti-woke crowd. For the uninitiated, Blue Lives Matter was created in response to "Black Lives Matter" as a faux-response that "Police Officers are actually the ones whose lives are in danger when it comes to police brutality". It is also generally at anti-woke events that people with neonazis (in the most literal waving the hakenkreuz (swastika) flag sense) show up.



引用自 ExCON
引用自 Crazy Tiger
And yet it's large parts of the "anti-woke" people that often use discriminatory and racist language.
Try harder. So far people who challenge the extreme lefties delusional state are being called bigots and all sorts of phobe. You just want everyone to bend over and confirm 100% without question. It never good enough when I say, we all can coexist. But this isn't good enough for you.

I hope, that by "coexist", you mean on an equal footing, because on that front, then you're 70% on the way to being 'woke'. I used to be anti-woke (or rather, back then it would have been anti-SJW). All that remains for you to do, is to take a step back and listen to what is actually being said (and not just what The Quartering/Tim Pool/etc is curating for you) without letting a knee-jerk reaction take over.

引用自 ExCON
Again, false. Create your space. Women had to endure a 60 year old fight for their rights. They/Them cannot just come in and take over. Move your lazy butts. Lobby the government, protest etc. Have a trans league. Create new symbols to indulge and celebrate. Dont make snow white black. The dwarfs grown men... You follow me? Lobby even more the corporates for a unisex bathroom. Dont just take over again, the private women space..

And trans people have had to fight for 100 years, and that is just in the modern sense. My country legalized gender changes 94 years ago. These kind of civil rights issues tend to be concurrent and overlapping.

引用自 Lunar Fang
Take politics out of gaming.

Define 'politics' lmao.

引用自 cinedine
A gaming company is not "diverse" enough? No problem, just make your next main character a non-binary transsexual of an ethnic minority.

The score systems are mostly opaque and are prone to green/blue/pink washing.
There has been numerous reports of companies proudly supporting LGBT with rainbow coloured products and advertising while the actual LGBT employees are still discriminated against.
It's the same ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ principal as buying CO2 certificates or paying to (allegedly) plant some trees to claim your coal power plant is 100 % clima neutral.

Oh, trust me, nobody hates rainbow capitalism more than LGBT people. That doesn't change the fact that there seems to be outrage at LGBT characters just existing. Bridget from Guilty Gear Strive is a prime example.
AlucardNoir 2023 年 12 月 13 日 上午 12:28 
By not buying woke game. It really is that simple. Not boycotting, not telling other to not buy them, not complaining. YOU, personally, just stop buying any game you perceive as woke. If everybody that complains about woke games did that the problem would solve itself out. True, a good many studios might die, but studios die all the time. You don't like something? Don't buy it. And I don't mean pirate it, I mean don't buy or in any other way interact with it. No twitch streams, no YouTube videos, no pirating, no buying, no playing if it's a free game. Move along to another game that isn't woke or to an older one that never was woke. Gaming won't die if new woke games die out and if it becomes clear that woke games don't make money, guess what, they'll stop making them.

If a game makes it clear it's woke though it's trailers, or through reviews, you don't get to complain it's woke after you bought it. The moment you bought it was the moment you lost and no amount of complaining will help with that.
Tito Shivan 2023 年 12 月 13 日 上午 12:29 
引用自 Davixxa
Turns out there aren't a whole lot of them. Like I'm sorry, but this industry is rooted in social outcasts playing DnD in the 70s. Turns out you're more likely to sympathise with other outcasts when you, yourself are one.
The thing is that isn't true anymore. This industry has become a mainstream one long time ago.
D. Flame 2023 年 12 月 13 日 上午 12:53 
Stop buying the games. When the company starts going broke, they will return to their fans, or they won't, will go under, and be replaced by someone who will.
Tito Shivan 2023 年 12 月 13 日 上午 1:32 
引用自 D. Flame
Stop buying the games. When the company starts going broke, they will return to their fans, or they won't, will go under, and be replaced by someone who will.
Or not.
The nameless Gamer 2023 年 12 月 13 日 上午 1:43 
The thing people who complain seem to forget is that they have a CHOICE. They are SPOILED for choice. There are so many games out there that it's impossible not to find something for every taste. Unless the expectations are completely and utterly unreasonable, games which will scratch an itch exist.

I'm starting to believe that people who are complaining about the state of gaming as a hobby are doing so only to complain. Even if games which match their preferences exist, they'll still focus on those which don't and will waste time complaining about the very existence of games which don't suit their taste instead of spending said time more meaningfully playing games which are what they want them to be.
veracsthane 2023 年 12 月 13 日 上午 3:21 
close your wallet. it does work and you will be happier.
BJWyler 2023 年 12 月 13 日 上午 3:46 
引用自 D. Flame
Stop buying the games. When the company starts going broke, they will return to their fans, or they won't, will go under, and be replaced by someone who will.
Or, we find that most people don't get bent all out of shape over someone having the ability to choose whatever nomenclature for their character they want, and the game becomes a success, and the rest of the world moves on.

One thing that is for certain, however, is that those who stand the straightest in the anti-woke crowd certainly don't have an issue with consuming girl on girl action with their daily dose of porn. So claiming some divine righteousness in their bigotry is the ultimate hypocrisy.
最後修改者:BJWyler; 2023 年 12 月 13 日 上午 3:46
veracsthane 2023 年 12 月 13 日 上午 3:50 
The thing people who complain seem to forget is that they have a CHOICE. They are SPOILED for choice. There are so many games out there that it's impossible not to find something for every taste. Unless the expectations are completely and utterly unreasonable, games which will scratch an itch exist.

I'm starting to believe that people who are complaining about the state of gaming as a hobby are doing so only to complain. Even if games which match their preferences exist, they'll still focus on those which don't and will waste time complaining about the very existence of games which don't suit their taste instead of spending said time more meaningfully playing games which are what they want them to be.
blizzard.

if you dont know anything about blizzard. if you dont remember og starcraft bw compared to current blizzard youll think that the complaints are meaningless.

we walk away because words dont work with you people and people can take games hostage for months get dozens of people perma bans after enough time and enough people get fed up with them and everyone sits there in the burning building thinking this is fine.

all blizzard games and multiplayer games are hemorrhaging users because of it and chat bans in particular. blizzard the problem is so out of control you can get a team of bronze players who want to win and act like it and get a 90%+ winrate and see platinum in about a week. also since you clearly got used to working with each other it becomes possible to get diamond agian with people stuck in bronze. i made an alt and i had several copies of overwatch. this isnt me thinking i did it personally with heroes of the storm and overwatch 1. i was personally stuck at silver/gold and when i did get the team i was in bronze because i gave up on actually trying it went for fun only until i dropped into elo heaven where literally anything goes. i was one teir away from diamond when i quit.

and all of it was because of self important pricks who gushed about the lgbt feminism woke political activism and chat censor bs and a company who wanted to be social engineers not game devs.

i also need to remind you they tried that ♥♥♥♥ with twitter and elon and elon did a disney hades and said "one tensy wensy problem. i own you" if you honestly think they are unrelated the wef and fair play allience <- chinese chat censors founded after ccp bought riot games and other activist investors are all joined at the hip. blizzard wanted the chinese market because line most get up bs we see with alot of companies regardless of products. the fair play allinece btw self censored a while back to hide members because it was clearly a problem and people noticed.

wg sony xbox blizzard riot games discord ea basically every name you saw in the news for being for being activst trash before game devs and engaging in chat censorship with chat bans and a chat ban bot are a member of the fair play alliance.

also there is a reason after all the wef investor groups started closing down they are walking their ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ back. these comapnies know its pissing users and consumers off. the reason is because they need customers now they cant keep getting money from trashy activist investors.

and agian these arent the only groups. they have the same lock step message with the same wording centered around political activism and a love of censoring anyone who points it out.
D. Flame 2023 年 12 月 13 日 上午 3:52 
引用自 Tito Shivan
引用自 D. Flame
Stop buying the games. When the company starts going broke, they will return to their fans, or they won't, will go under, and be replaced by someone who will.
Or not.
What an amazing and well-reasoned retort. /s



引用自 BJWyler
引用自 D. Flame
Stop buying the games. When the company starts going broke, they will return to their fans, or they won't, will go under, and be replaced by someone who will.
Or, we find that most people don't get bent all out of shape over someone having the ability to choose whatever nomenclature for their character they want, and the game becomes a success, and the rest of the world moves on.
How did that new Saints Row game do? How about that Captain Marvel movie?
veracsthane 2023 年 12 月 13 日 上午 3:54 
because i know people wont read this or the tldr one disney. if you havent seen the report about disney it was 100s of millions in fl tax payer dollars being funneled into the company and its clearly a problem. the gaming companies have the same ideological trappings and if they need funding they goto the same people.
kaffeesatz 2023 年 12 月 13 日 上午 4:00 
wtf?
The nameless Gamer 2023 年 12 月 13 日 上午 4:06 
引用自 veracsthane
The thing people who complain seem to forget is that they have a CHOICE. They are SPOILED for choice. There are so many games out there that it's impossible not to find something for every taste. Unless the expectations are completely and utterly unreasonable, games which will scratch an itch exist.

I'm starting to believe that people who are complaining about the state of gaming as a hobby are doing so only to complain. Even if games which match their preferences exist, they'll still focus on those which don't and will waste time complaining about the very existence of games which don't suit their taste instead of spending said time more meaningfully playing games which are what they want them to be.
blizzard.

if you dont know anything about blizzard. if you dont remember og starcraft bw compared to current blizzard youll think that the complaints are meaningless.

we walk away because words dont work with you people and people can take games hostage for months get dozens of people perma bans after enough time and enough people get fed up with them and everyone sits there in the burning building thinking this is fine.

all blizzard games and multiplayer games are hemorrhaging users because of it and chat bans in particular. blizzard the problem is so out of control you can get a team of bronze players who want to win and act like it and get a 90%+ winrate and see platinum in about a week. also since you clearly got used to working with each other it becomes possible to get diamond agian with people stuck in bronze. i made an alt and i had several copies of overwatch. this isnt me thinking i did it personally with heroes of the storm and overwatch 1. i was personally stuck at silver/gold and when i did get the team i was in bronze because i gave up on actually trying it went for fun only until i dropped into elo heaven where literally anything goes. i was one teir away from diamond when i quit.

and all of it was because of self important pricks who gushed about the lgbt feminism woke political activism and chat censor bs and a company who wanted to be social engineers not game devs.

i also need to remind you they tried that ♥♥♥♥ with twitter and elon and elon did a disney hades and said "one tensy wensy problem. i own you" if you honestly think they are unrelated the wef and fair play allience <- chinese chat censors founded after ccp bought riot games and other activist investors are all joined at the hip. blizzard wanted the chinese market because line most get up bs we see with alot of companies regardless of products. the fair play allinece btw self censored a while back to hide members because it was clearly a problem and people noticed.

wg sony xbox blizzard riot games discord ea basically every name you saw in the news for being for being activst trash before game devs and engaging in chat censorship with chat bans and a chat ban bot are a member of the fair play alliance.

also there is a reason after all the wef investor groups started closing down they are walking their ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ back. these comapnies know its pissing users and consumers off. the reason is because they need customers now they cant keep getting money from trashy activist investors.

and agian these arent the only groups. they have the same lock step message with the same wording centered around political activism and a love of censoring anyone who points it out.

I stopped playing Blizzard's games when I realized I am not their target audience and moved on to Relic's RTS games (Company of Heroes and Dawn of War). Obviously, WoW has become their point of focus and RTS players fell out of it. In 2004 Blizzard lost all relevance to me. I had a choice to play other games... and that's what I did.

I don't know anything about Twitter, I never used it. It never was relevant to me, it hasn't changed. It's a waste of time. Sony was also never something I was interested in, since I never owned a console... because PC offers more choices and games more aligned with my taste and preferences.

All those things you wrote about never affected me... because I am not Blizzard's, Disney's and Sony's targeted audience. Edit: And because I am not their target audience, any potential complains would end up ignored. Because people other than me are more relevant.
最後修改者:The nameless Gamer; 2023 年 12 月 13 日 上午 4:28
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