The day before: steam early access needs to be reformed

[NoobOrFeed]

Steam early access really needs to be reformed. It shouldnt be used to hide behind the EA banner and grab money with a scam.

The day before had every sign of a fake. Now its here and everything points toward the game being a scam.

It shouldnt be possible to hide behind early access and provide a game like that. I bet my money that there wont be a single update for the game and the devs only hope for enough money from people lazy enough to refund!

[davidb11]

t9님이 먼저 게시:

Regulars are again the worst shills lol

I don't think you know what that means.
Because no one here is shilling The Day Before or it's developer.

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

davidb11님이 먼저 게시:

t9님이 먼저 게시:

Regulars are again the worst shills lol

I don't think you know what that means.
Because no one here is shilling The Day Before or it's developer.

The fact that (no disrespect David) This is 100% true is the most amusing part to the whole situation. People will do anything when a project goes south including blaming the place they bought the game. I can 100% tell you here and now if they sold the game in GameStop then that place would be getting the blunt end of the Salty Gamer Stick

[Start_Running]

Tito Shivan님이 먼저 게시:

The more I look at it the more I see it as a dev who bit (lot) more they could chew. There seems to be a lot of expenses on game assets for a 'scam' game aiming to do a hit and run. IMHO the studio thought they could build a game backbone through assets and premade job, but it takes a lot more to code a game.

Dev biting off more than they can chew? When has any aspiring MMIO Open world game developer ever done that?

It olooks to me that they had a backbone, ior at least a vertabrae , the just couldn't flesh the thing out. I mean there's a reason i said it looked like what I'd expect such a game to look like in early development. Using cheap premade assets, small environment, as few moving parts as possible so they can focus on ironing out the cor feature.. in this case the shooting and then building outwards from there both in terms of gameplay features, elements and the very game map itself.

I mean you think WoW started development with whole continents? No. You had the central hub of each faction's capotal city and they built outwards from there.

Tito Shivan님이 먼저 게시:

I would throw some shade too to the regular gaming sites covering the game pre-release and possibily helping building a bit too much hype.

Yoyu me game journos irresponsibly hyping up a game in their coverage for views and profit? Never

Caldari Military Sly Succubus님이 먼저 게시:

davidb11님이 먼저 게시:

I don't think you know what that means.
Because no one here is shilling The Day Before or it's developer.

The fact that (no disrespect David) This is 100% true is the most amusing part to the whole situation. People will do anything when a project goes south including blaming the place they bought the game. I can 100% tell you here and now if they sold the game in GameStop then that place would be getting the blunt end of the Salty Gamer Stick

People will blame the world for their disappointments rather than their own inflated expectations. You know. Blame the kniofe for being sharp rather than your hand for being clumsy

[kitt]

t9님이 먼저 게시:

Regulars are again the worst shills lol

because they get paid wtih scams.. its the only reason why anyone would defend this crap

[Mad Scientist]

kitt님이 먼저 게시:

t9님이 먼저 게시:

Regulars are again the worst shills lol

because they get paid wtih scams.. its the only reason why anyone would defend this crap

Regulars aren't defending fntastic, nor days before. The context is simply Valve isn't likely to game test everything before allowing sale, people should be extremely careful before buying EAGS, and even regulars are noting people can get refunds regardless of play time and have been vocal against fntastic.

Suggesting they are "paid with scams" is disinformation & accusing others of being paid actors.

[Brian9824]

kitt님이 먼저 게시:

t9님이 먼저 게시:

Regulars are again the worst shills lol

because they get paid wtih scams.. its the only reason why anyone would defend this crap

Nah, some people just like to use common sense and basic logic instead of expecting Steam to playtest every build.

Also some us are capable of being adults and actually researching stuff. What your suggesting is something draconic that places like Germany does where they tell you what you are or aren't allowed to play based on THEIR views and beliefs instead of letting people decide for themselves what they find acceptable.

You might like that, but personally I can decide for myself without a company or government dictating to me what is or isn't acceptable. Steam already covered everyone in this scenario and is offering EVERYONE involved refunds if they want.

[xBCxRangers]

Good Grief. Another OP that had tomatoes thrown at him, only to end up absolutely correct.

When is this 'its all your fault" mentality going to end by our Valve regular contributors?

Steam needs RE-FORM, Mr Newell

[Tito Shivan]

kitt님이 먼저 게시:

t9님이 먼저 게시:

Regulars are again the worst shills lol

because they get paid wtih scams.. its the only reason why anyone would defend this crap

Note I'm not defending anything. Just saying if the intention behind the game was to scam people they did almost a job as terrible as they did at coding the game.

That's why I generally side with Hanlon's razor.

Mad Scientist님이 먼저 게시:

The context is simply Valve isn't likely to game test everything before allowing sale

Steam cannot game test everything in the same way Youtube cannot live review every uploaded video.
At a certain point It's not escalable in a cost effective way and you create a gigantic bottleneck if you try.

Steam had already a large bottleneck with Greenlight. And now Epic is following the same path Steam followed to try remove that point of friction for developers and publishers to sell their products on their services.

Yeah, that means rotten apples are going to get through. Most of them will never yield success, but once in a while some gets enough notoriety.

Also just a reminder at a certain point in time lots of people also called No Man's Sky "a scam" (it was even taken to the tribunals). People in this hobby use certain words too lightly. Because when everything is a "scam", nothing is.

[AmsterdamHeavy]

xBCxRangers님이 먼저 게시:

Good Grief. Another OP that had tomatoes thrown at him, only to end up absolutely correct.

When is this 'its all your fault" mentality going to end by our Valve regular contributors?

Steam needs RE-FORM, Mr Newell

All it is, is an abdication of responsibility on the part of people who buy trash and then want to blame someone, ANYone else for their bad decisions.

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

xBCxRangers님이 먼저 게시:

Good Grief. Another OP that had tomatoes thrown at him, only to end up absolutely correct.

When is this 'its all your fault" mentality going to end by our Valve regular contributors?

Steam needs RE-FORM, Mr Newell

Nothing to reform, Valve followed the proper regulations in dealing with a product they neither produce or have the rights to sell, removed it from the shelf and went on with their life.

[NoobOrFeed]

Caldari Military Sly Succubus님이 먼저 게시:

xBCxRangers님이 먼저 게시:

Good Grief. Another OP that had tomatoes thrown at him, only to end up absolutely correct.

When is this 'its all your fault" mentality going to end by our Valve regular contributors?

Steam needs RE-FORM, Mr Newell

Nothing to reform, Valve followed the proper regulations in dealing with a product they neither produce or have the rights to sell, removed it from the shelf and went on with their life.

You do realize that valve allowed those two russian scammers to use their platform to make a fortune by robbing money from hyped players? Even with all the refunds, they still made millions (some content creator mentioned around 30-40 million with all the refunds already included)

First warnings of scam and fake are more then 2 years old. enough time to assess the game and take measures!

So in the end, valve is ultimately responsible for that scandal. Its time for reforms.

First step with New early access rules:

Submit a roadmap and review it by someone from valve!!! Maybe add an early contract between valve and devs to prevent from deviating.
Valve also needs to check financial situations before releasing to early access.
2 years developement max for early access title. too many endless early access graves.
remove games under a certain review score. for example under 20% - remove from store

would fix a lot

[Boblin the Goblin]

NoobOrFeed님이 먼저 게시:

Caldari Military Sly Succubus님이 먼저 게시:

Nothing to reform, Valve followed the proper regulations in dealing with a product they neither produce or have the rights to sell, removed it from the shelf and went on with their life.

You do realize that valve allowed those two russian scammers to use their platform to make a fortune by robbing money from hyped players? Even with all the refunds, they still made millions (some content creator mentioned around 30-40 million with all the refunds already included)

First warnings of scam and fake are more then 2 years old. enough time to assess the game and take measures!

So in the end, valve is ultimately responsible for that scandal. Its time for reforms.

First step with New early access rules:

Submit a roadmap and review it by someone from valve!!! Maybe add an early contract between valve and devs to prevent from deviating.
Valve also needs to check financial situations before releasing to early access.
2 years developement max for early access title. too many endless early access graves.
remove games under a certain review score. for example under 20% - remove from store

would fix a lot

They literally made no money because Valve doesn't release funds until the following month.

[NoobOrFeed]

SlowMango님이 먼저 게시:

NoobOrFeed님이 먼저 게시:

You do realize that valve allowed those two russian scammers to use their platform to make a fortune by robbing money from hyped players? Even with all the refunds, they still made millions (some content creator mentioned around 30-40 million with all the refunds already included)

First warnings of scam and fake are more then 2 years old. enough time to assess the game and take measures!

So in the end, valve is ultimately responsible for that scandal. Its time for reforms.

First step with New early access rules:

Submit a roadmap and review it by someone from valve!!! Maybe add an early contract between valve and devs to prevent from deviating.
Valve also needs to check financial situations before releasing to early access.
2 years developement max for early access title. too many endless early access graves.
remove games under a certain review score. for example under 20% - remove from store

would fix a lot

They literally made no money because Valve doesn't release funds until the following month.

I wanna see an official statement from valve about that. Thanks

[Boblin the Goblin]

NoobOrFeed님이 먼저 게시:

SlowMango님이 먼저 게시:

They literally made no money because Valve doesn't release funds until the following month.

I wanna see an official statement from valve about that. Thanks

Valve님이 먼저 게시:

Q. When can I expect to be paid every month?

A. We pay out by the 30th of the month following sales. For example, we will pay you for calendar February month sales by March 30th. It may take a few business days for the payment to post to your bank account. In that case, you may see the payment in your bank account during the first few days of April, following the example above.

https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/finance/payments_salesreporting/faq

[NoobOrFeed]

SlowMango님이 먼저 게시:

NoobOrFeed님이 먼저 게시:

I wanna see an official statement from valve about that. Thanks

Valve님이 먼저 게시:

Q. When can I expect to be paid every month?

A. We pay out by the 30th of the month following sales. For example, we will pay you for calendar February month sales by March 30th. It may take a few business days for the payment to post to your bank account. In that case, you may see the payment in your bank account during the first few days of April, following the example above.

https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/finance/payments_salesreporting/faq

Nono you know exactly what i meant. This is just some theory right now that fntastic wont see any money. Official statement regarding the day before. Where?