Traumaturgy 2 DIC 2023 a las 4:36 a. m.
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I stopped buying games on steam bc of censorship
Hey steam, I have this account from 2012 and bought about 400 games with dlcs. I want to you to know that because of censorship on your forums and incorrect unfair bans I will not be buying more games here.

For one post about Hogwart legacy I was banned for 3 months in January. Ban lifted, I was writing during summer no problems. Then another woke game appeared (Starfield), and for just one post I was banned for another 3 months. I call this overreaction, not to mention I didnt offend anyone in my post, I just stated my opinion about how many genders there are.

Enough is enough. I will not be buying games on your platform anymore. I refunded what I could, and since last ban on September im buying games only on gog.
I know you dont care, Im just one person, but I wanted you to know. And maybe you should temper your moderators and review your idiotic banning system.
Publicado originalmente por El Mythical 23 k.s.c.:
Publicado originalmente por Traumaturgy:
Hey steam, I have this account from 2012 and bought about 400 games with dlcs. I want to you to know that because of censorship on your forums and incorrect unfair bans I will not be buying more games here.

For one post about Hogwart legacy I was banned for 3 months in January. Ban lifted, I was writing during summer no problems. Then another woke game appeared (Starfield), and for just one post I was banned for another 3 months. I call this overreaction, not to mention I didnt offend anyone in my post, I just stated my opinion about how many genders there are.

Enough is enough. I will not be buying games on your platform anymore. I refunded what I could, and since last ban on September im buying games only on gog.
I know you dont care, Im just one person, but I wanted you to know. And maybe you should temper your moderators and review your idiotic banning system.

Forum users might not miss your money but Steam will. Do what you think is right for you. :approved:
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Boblin the Goblin 6 DIC 2023 a las 10:02 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por MG_CD:
I advise you all to carefully reread the articles I have quoted. And also to consider it applies to everyone who is residing in all the countries who cooperate with the United Nations.

Those articles do not dictate how a private company functions.

Otherwise, every social media would've been banned from any country within the UN.
Crazy Tiger 6 DIC 2023 a las 10:04 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por MG_CD:
I advise you all to carefully reread the articles I have quoted. And also to consider it applies to everyone who is residing in all the countries who cooperate with the United Nations.
I'm familiair with them. And they don't mean that an entity (either person or company) can't boot you from their territory. Freedom of expression does not imply freedom of consequences, also not in the UN. Just as showing someone the door doesn't mean in any way that freedom of expression actually is interfered nor destroyed.
davidb11 6 DIC 2023 a las 10:10 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por MG_CD:
I advise you all to carefully reread the articles I have quoted. And also to consider it applies to everyone who is residing in all the countries who cooperate with the United Nations.

The UN has no business on a private forum.
Try again.
Aachen 6 DIC 2023 a las 10:12 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por MG_CD:
I advise you all to carefully reread the articles I have quoted. And also to consider it applies to everyone who is residing in all the countries who cooperate with the United Nations.

Aspirationally, or with force of law?
MG_CD 6 DIC 2023 a las 10:22 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Crazy Tiger:
Publicado originalmente por MG_CD:
I advise you all to carefully reread the articles I have quoted. And also to consider it applies to everyone who is residing in all the countries who cooperate with the United Nations.
I'm familiair with them. And they don't mean that an entity (either person or company) can't boot you from their territory. Freedom of expression does not imply freedom of consequences, also not in the UN. Just as showing someone the door doesn't mean in any way that freedom of expression actually is interfered nor destroyed.

No freedom of opinion and expression does not mean there aren't consequences. Everything has consequences. But banning Humans for expressing themselves is in fact illegal. What the UDHR literally states is that you are free to express yourself without interference. What that means is that the line is drawn at the point of inciting violence for example. Because in that case you aren't simply expressing yourself anymore; you are also calling on people to take action - which isn't covered in this article. On top of that, action that goes against other articles in the UDHR as well.
MG_CD 6 DIC 2023 a las 10:31 a. m. 
And yes following the UDHR means de-escalating wherever you go. That is what it is for. I am simply sharing what I am sharing because censorship everywhere is getting out of hand and not enough people seem to care about it.
davidb11 6 DIC 2023 a las 10:35 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por MG_CD:
Publicado originalmente por Crazy Tiger:
I'm familiair with them. And they don't mean that an entity (either person or company) can't boot you from their territory. Freedom of expression does not imply freedom of consequences, also not in the UN. Just as showing someone the door doesn't mean in any way that freedom of expression actually is interfered nor destroyed.

No freedom of opinion and expression does not mean there aren't consequences. Everything has consequences. But banning Humans for expressing themselves is in fact illegal. What the UDHR literally states is that you are free to express yourself without interference. What that means is that the line is drawn at the point of inciting violence for example. Because in that case you aren't simply expressing yourself anymore; you are also calling on people to take action - which isn't covered in this article. On top of that, action that goes against other articles in the UDHR as well.

Dude? THE HUMAN RIGHTS LAWS DO NOT APPLY TO PRIVATE FORUMS.

Good grief.
Crazy Tiger 6 DIC 2023 a las 10:48 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por MG_CD:
Publicado originalmente por Crazy Tiger:
I'm familiair with them. And they don't mean that an entity (either person or company) can't boot you from their territory. Freedom of expression does not imply freedom of consequences, also not in the UN. Just as showing someone the door doesn't mean in any way that freedom of expression actually is interfered nor destroyed.

No freedom of opinion and expression does not mean there aren't consequences. Everything has consequences. But banning Humans for expressing themselves is in fact illegal. What the UDHR literally states is that you are free to express yourself without interference. What that means is that the line is drawn at the point of inciting violence for example. Because in that case you aren't simply expressing yourself anymore; you are also calling on people to take action - which isn't covered in this article. On top of that, action that goes against other articles in the UDHR as well.
It's not illegal in any way. Banning someone from a forum is not interfering with the freedom of expression since freedom of expression can be easily further exercised elsewhere.

Governments locking you up in a cell for expressing your opinion, that's illegal. A company booting you from a forum is not.
MG_CD 6 DIC 2023 a las 10:57 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por davidb11:
Publicado originalmente por MG_CD:

No freedom of opinion and expression does not mean there aren't consequences. Everything has consequences. But banning Humans for expressing themselves is in fact illegal. What the UDHR literally states is that you are free to express yourself without interference. What that means is that the line is drawn at the point of inciting violence for example. Because in that case you aren't simply expressing yourself anymore; you are also calling on people to take action - which isn't covered in this article. On top of that, action that goes against other articles in the UDHR as well.

Dude? THE HUMAN RIGHTS LAWS DO NOT APPLY TO PRIVATE FORUMS.

Good grief.

Well, partially they do. As a free Human Being you can not simply enter someones private property. But if it is a professional service, space or company you do have the right to enter and use it and to negotiate on whatever is going on. And private company or not, you never have to give up your basic rights. Nothing excuses them from violating basic Human Rights.
Boblin the Goblin 6 DIC 2023 a las 11:01 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por MG_CD:
Publicado originalmente por davidb11:

Dude? THE HUMAN RIGHTS LAWS DO NOT APPLY TO PRIVATE FORUMS.

Good grief.

Well, partially they do. As a free Human Being you can not simply enter someones private property. But if it is a professional service, space or company you do have the right to enter and use it and to negotiate on whatever is going on. And private company or not, you never have to give up your basic rights. Nothing excuses them from violating basic Human Rights.

That private company has a right to remove you from the property for breaking their rules. A store owner doesn't have to allow a disruptive customer stay on the property. A forum doesn't have to allow a disruptive user to continue to post.
MG_CD 6 DIC 2023 a las 11:03 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Crazy Tiger:
Publicado originalmente por MG_CD:

No freedom of opinion and expression does not mean there aren't consequences. Everything has consequences. But banning Humans for expressing themselves is in fact illegal. What the UDHR literally states is that you are free to express yourself without interference. What that means is that the line is drawn at the point of inciting violence for example. Because in that case you aren't simply expressing yourself anymore; you are also calling on people to take action - which isn't covered in this article. On top of that, action that goes against other articles in the UDHR as well.
It's not illegal in any way. Banning someone from a forum is not interfering with the freedom of expression since freedom of expression can be easily further exercised elsewhere.

Governments locking you up in a cell for expressing your opinion, that's illegal. A company booting you from a forum is not.

That doesn't make sense. If everyone decides to ban you because they don't want to hear what you have to say, then can you express yourself?
People are interfering with your right to express yourself because pretty soon there aren't going to be any places left to express yourself...
Última edición por MG_CD; 6 DIC 2023 a las 11:04 a. m.
BJWyler 6 DIC 2023 a las 11:04 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por MG_CD:
And yes following the UDHR means de-escalating wherever you go. That is what it is for. I am simply sharing what I am sharing because censorship everywhere is getting out of hand and not enough people seem to care about it.
Because, what certain people consider censorship is not, in fact, censorship in the eyes of legal standing, nor the UDHR.

At the end of the day, Censorship and a limit on Tolerance is absolutely necessary in order for a civilized society to exist. A "Free Society" does not mean or imply the freedom to do whatever one wants, whenever one wants to do it, wherever one wants to do it. There are still rules that should be followed, even in a public arena. Those who continually show the inability to act like a mature, productive member of society will be shown the door. And that has been, and always will remain, perfectly acceptable in a free society.

Censorship does exist in a Free Society in many forms, and is in fact necessary for that society thrive. The same for us as individuals.

Grown mature adults practice self-censorship all the time. We practice censorship within our family units. We as a society create rules, laws, and regulations all the time that either enforce censorship or support the ability for an entity to practice it.

A completely 100% free society actually cannot sustain itself. In order to thrive, a free society must put limits on that freedom, which includes censorship, and other rules. The rules aren't there to be suffered, they are there to ensure that chaos doesn't take hold as no society can actually survive chaos. Not to get to metaphysical, but we live in a chaotic universe, but even the universe has rules that it follows to prevent that chaos from tearing it apart. It's the Paradox of Tolerance. You can't have absolute Tolerance in a society, even a Tolerant society must engage in some form of Intolerance if it is to survive. Otherwise those who are of an anti-societal mindset would tear down that society and anarchy would ensue. So, ultimately, to be Tolerant is to ensure that those who value society over the Pure Self, and contribute to improving that society by being empathic to all members of that society, are welcomed. Those that value the Self above all else, at the expense of that society and the empathy for others cannot be tolerated, and by necessity are removed from that society, and every member of the UN understands that full well.
BJWyler 6 DIC 2023 a las 11:05 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por MG_CD:
Publicado originalmente por Crazy Tiger:
It's not illegal in any way. Banning someone from a forum is not interfering with the freedom of expression since freedom of expression can be easily further exercised elsewhere.

Governments locking you up in a cell for expressing your opinion, that's illegal. A company booting you from a forum is not.

That doesn't make sense. If everyone decides to ban you because they don't want to hear what you have to say, then can you express yourself?
People are interfering with your right to express yourself because pretty soon there aren't going to be any places left to express yourself...
You can express yourself to your heart's content in the sanctity of your own home.
Crazy Tiger 6 DIC 2023 a las 11:10 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por MG_CD:
Publicado originalmente por Crazy Tiger:
It's not illegal in any way. Banning someone from a forum is not interfering with the freedom of expression since freedom of expression can be easily further exercised elsewhere.

Governments locking you up in a cell for expressing your opinion, that's illegal. A company booting you from a forum is not.

That doesn't make sense. If everyone decides to ban you because they don't want to hear what you have to say, then can you express yourself?
People are interfering with your right to express yourself because pretty soon there aren't going to be any places left to express yourself...
Via blogs, comment sections, your own house, community centers, out on the street, etc. Being able to express yourself doesn't mean someone owes you a soapbox to stand on nor is anyone obliged to host your expressions.
Me throwing you out of the house isn't interfering with your freedom of expression. You don't have a freedom of expression on my property to begin with.

As said, freedom of expression does not imply freedom of consequence. Private businesses, house owners, building owners, etc are allowed to show you the door.

The UN parts you quoted are meant with regards to authorities like governments, police, etc. They're not allowed to jail you for expressing simply your opinion in a decent way (ergo not breaking laws).
davidb11 6 DIC 2023 a las 11:10 a. m. 
It is a violation of the Geneva Convention to claim human rights laws apply to a private forum.
Period.
End of debate
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