7 and 8.1 steam

[Skye Ashford]

I know steam is dying for the older windows editions, but I hate 10 and refuse to use 11. Can I still play my games, that I f*cking paid for, in 2024? And if something was to happen to my laptop, could I still use steam and download my games? I understand that I won't be able to buy new games, I'm content with Beam and Automation anyhow

[Kage Goomba]

Publicado originalmente por M3GAHURTZ:

Publicado originalmente por Kage Goomba:

You're full of it.

Look at that: insults.

Publicado originalmente por Kage Goomba:

You respond in anger every time - you are combative - you have no evidence - you don't research your product.

Oh look here: Rude comments.

Publicado originalmente por Kage Goomba:

I challenge you to tell me word for word what I said - exactly.

You will find yourself in dire need of making an apology.
Have fun with that one.

I've challenged you - ante up - or walk away.

Oh and here we have confrontational comments attempting to bait me into an argument. Nice try there buddy. That sort of behavior doesn't work on me.

We're waiting on your proof that you didn't lie.
Until then - don't expect anyone to take you seriously.

[Kage Goomba]

Publicado originalmente por kitty:

Publicado originalmente por Kage Goomba:

Didn't you scream to never mess with registry editor? Do I really need to dig that post out?

I thought you lectured me about this.

How Ironic.

oh, he did. in CAPS.

I like the idea of different registries. the one you create when you install something "isn't important" and you can do whatever you want to it. Mega probably believes it will be replaced with good one on first boot. Otherwise it is hard to understand the logic behind this statement. there's none.

For the record - the Registry isn't as powerful as it used to be in terms of influencing changes - that said - its not fragile either.

Microsoft keeps sneaking in little "minions" or "daemons" that undo/change/fiddle with keys as you go about your day.

So it takes a great deal of patience and know how to deal with it.

Every document on the net tells you to back up your registry hive before you change it. To be careful not to go around with a machete.

Even Mega whom we all caught with his pants down uses it too.

Like it or not - its a useful tool.

But like any tool - even installing 3rd party software (which is a far greater risk mind you) is just as dangerous.

So is crossing the street.

[Kage Goomba]

Publicado originalmente por M3GAHURTZ:

Publicado originalmente por Komarimaru:

There's nothing "Random" in GPE. The locations and descriptions cannot be confused.

For example, I was told I couldn't disable Windows update in GPE.
https://i.imgur.com/dXd9Z5l.png

Yet obviously I can. Even enabling the setting to not update drivers as well, when do run it manually.

It is entirely possible to pick and disable options in the GPE that would make the computer completely unusable on a reboot after setting it. Can't access the desktop, start menu, task manager, nothing. It's possible to lock out access to all of that in there if someone doesn't know what they are doing. Even some of the descriptions may not make sense or be obvious to someone who doesn't know what they're doing with their computer. It's very much not something people should just be casually exploring and clicking random things in it. But some people seem to think there's no harm with the GPE and everyone should just click around in it all willy-nilly and turn off whatever they want that looks interesting as if nothing bad could happen. Not even a disclaimer was given about the GPE either. Just advice about "Hey go use this it's fun. Poke around in there. Nothing bad will happen." And then I try to post at least a warning that it could be a bad thing and I get slapped in the face and treated like the village idiot for trying to watch out for people.. *sigh*

You have no idea what the GPE is - and I seriously doubt you even know how to get there let alone have access to it.

So please stop misinforming people and back up your claims with documentation from Microsoft.

[Kage Goomba]

Publicado originalmente por M3GAHURTZ:

Publicado originalmente por Kage Goomba:

We're waiting on your proof that you didn't lie.
Until then - don't expect anyone to take you seriously.

I don't have to prove a damn thing to you or anyone else. I'm free to write whatever I want to and you can't stop me from writing in the steam forums and you can't make me do anything I don't want to do.

I never said I could stop you.
But that won't stop me from calling your lies out either.

[kitty]

Publicado originalmente por Kage Goomba:

But like any tool - even installing 3rd party software (which is a far greater risk mind you) is just as dangerous.

editing by hand is less dangerous than relying on 3d party tool. and it's better for self education :)
tho I have no idea what you can do wrong to registry as it will only affect the record you're editing. it won't break whole system.

[ReBoot]

Publicado originalmente por M3GAHURTZ:

Publicado originalmente por Kage Goomba:

We're waiting on your proof that you didn't lie.
Until then - don't expect anyone to take you seriously.

I don't have to prove a damn thing to you or anyone else. I'm free to write whatever I want to and you can't stop me from writing in the steam forums and you can't make me do anything I don't want to do.

Butthurt, much?

[Komarimaru]

Publicado originalmente por M3GAHURTZ:

Publicado originalmente por Komarimaru:

There's nothing "Random" in GPE. The locations and descriptions cannot be confused.

For example, I was told I couldn't disable Windows update in GPE.
https://i.imgur.com/dXd9Z5l.png

Yet obviously I can. Even enabling the setting to not update drivers as well, when do run it manually.

It is entirely possible to pick and disable options in the GPE that would make the computer completely unusable on a reboot after setting it. Can't access the desktop, start menu, task manager, nothing. It's possible to lock out access to all of that in there if someone doesn't know what they are doing. Even some of the descriptions may not make sense or be obvious to someone who doesn't know what they're doing with their computer. It's very much not something people should just be casually exploring and clicking random things in it. But some people seem to think there's no harm with the GPE and everyone should just click around in it all willy-nilly and turn off whatever they want that looks interesting as if nothing bad could happen. Not even a disclaimer was given about the GPE either. Just advice about "Hey go use this it's fun. Poke around in there. Nothing bad will happen." And then I try to post at least a warning that it could be a bad thing and I get slapped in the face and treated like the village idiot for trying to watch out for people.. *sigh*

It would be very difficult to disable something that you cannot undo, since even once disabled, you can still undo it since hold the permissions to do so.

Thus far there is nothing in GPE to make something totally unusable on a reboot, without easily fixing it in GPE after making the change.

Even if you were silly and say like, disabled Windows Installer, preventing people from installing software, the account you logged into to make the change, can easily undo it.

And even if you manipulated User Rights Management in GPE, you can't lock yourself out, just other users.

Like I said, there's nothing you can do, that you cannot undo under the same account.

[Kage Goomba]

Publicado originalmente por M3GAHURTZ:

Publicado originalmente por Kage Goomba:

You have no idea what the GPE is - and I seriously doubt you even know how to get there let alone have access to it.

So please stop misinforming people and back up your claims with documentation from Microsoft.

For one: It's gpedit.msc for two I have never misinformed anyone about anything. I've only ever tried to help people and try my very best to steer them away from screwing up their entire computer and making it unusable. Which they would of done from your suggestions if I didn't step in and say something. You must get some kind of sick, perverted pleasure from telling random people on the internet to screw up their computer.

You had to google that didn't you?
You really have no clue at all how GPE works.
As I said - back it up with Microsoft Documentation - or stand forever called a "newb"

And don't get cute with me kiddo - your argument for "Destroy your windows machine" argument for using GPE.

Or you are a liar - and everyone pretty made that conclusion.

[Komarimaru]

Publicado originalmente por M3GAHURTZ:

For one: It's gpedit.msc for two I have never misinformed anyone about anything. I've only ever tried to help people and try my very best to steer them away from screwing up their entire computer and making it unusable. Which they would of done from your suggestions if I didn't step in and say something. You must get some kind of sick, perverted pleasure from telling random people on the internet to screw up their computer.

No, it's Group Policy Editor. gpedit.msc is exactly what it says it is, a Microsoft Saved Console file. Hence .msc. Used to run control files in the MMC, Microsoft Management Console.

[Kage Goomba]

Publicado originalmente por Komarimaru:

Publicado originalmente por M3GAHURTZ:

For one: It's gpedit.msc for two I have never misinformed anyone about anything. I've only ever tried to help people and try my very best to steer them away from screwing up their entire computer and making it unusable. Which they would of done from your suggestions if I didn't step in and say something. You must get some kind of sick, perverted pleasure from telling random people on the internet to screw up their computer.

No, it's Group Policy Editor. gpedit.msc is exactly what it says it is, a Microsoft Saved Console file. Hence .msc. Used to run control files in the MMC, Microsoft Management Console.

Key point - only available to those who have Windows 10 Pro (11 Pro as well)
Otherwise its a feature locked out for normal use.
So not everyone has access to this powerful tool and eventually ends up mucking around in the registry - which frankly is more dangerous (but not that dangerous) compared to GPE.

GPE is rather harmless in comparison.

[Kage Goomba]

Publicado originalmente por M3GAHURTZ:

Publicado originalmente por Komarimaru:

It would be very difficult to disable something that you cannot undo, since even once disabled, you can still undo it since hold the permissions to do so.

Thus far there is nothing in GPE to make something totally unusable on a reboot, without easily fixing it in GPE after making the change.

Even if you were silly and say like, disabled Windows Installer, preventing people from installing software, the account you logged into to make the change, can easily undo it.

And even if you manipulated User Rights Management in GPE, you can't lock yourself out, just other users.

Like I said, there's nothing you can do, that you cannot undo under the same account.

Except of course people can disable windows explorer, disable the run box, disable task manager, and disable all ability to open or run or execute a program, which would then prevent them from opening GPE again to undo it. But hey.. continue telling everyone it's safe and easy to use. Also I guess I should just stop trying to correct folks in the forums and sit back and watch what happens. I bet you or that goomba person would ever even bother helping someone if they followed your suggestions and something went wrong with their computer. Do remember that when you suggest something to someone in the forums it is your responsibility to help them if they break something following your advice. It was you that told them to do it in the first place after all.

GROUP POLICY EDITOR - NOT SERVICE MANAGER / STARTUP MANAGER

You can't tell it to shut down or not launch explorer - you would need a script for that.

If your going to argue your case - at least bother to know what the heck your talking about!

GPE is designed to enforce policies in an Active Directory environment.

Restricting Software yes - but key Operating System components - no.
Enforce Operating System behavior - such as not updating beyond parameters - going to sleep at specific times - locking screen for security reasons - yes.

[Komarimaru]

Publicado originalmente por M3GAHURTZ:

Publicado originalmente por Komarimaru:

It would be very difficult to disable something that you cannot undo, since even once disabled, you can still undo it since hold the permissions to do so.

Thus far there is nothing in GPE to make something totally unusable on a reboot, without easily fixing it in GPE after making the change.

Even if you were silly and say like, disabled Windows Installer, preventing people from installing software, the account you logged into to make the change, can easily undo it.

And even if you manipulated User Rights Management in GPE, you can't lock yourself out, just other users.

Like I said, there's nothing you can do, that you cannot undo under the same account.

Except of course people can disable windows explorer, disable the run box, disable task manager, and disable all ability to open or run or execute a program, which would then prevent them from opening GPE again to undo it. But hey.. continue telling everyone it's safe and easy to use. Also I guess I should just stop trying to correct folks in the forums and sit back and watch what happens. I bet you or that goomba person would ever even bother helping someone if they followed your suggestions and something went wrong with their computer. Do remember that when you suggest something to someone in the forums it is your responsibility to help them if they break something following your advice. It was you that told them to do it in the first place after all.

Or, you could do what most professionals do and open it via powershell or command prompt.

But, say you did disable the run command fully, you do know the shortcut to the .msc file is on the hard drive, and easily found in System32, yes?

And it's a policy editor, not a service manager. So how are you disabling windows explorer in it?

[kitty]

Publicado originalmente por M3GAHURTZ:

Do remember that when you suggest something to someone in the forums it is your responsibility to help them if they break something following your advice. It was you that told them to do it in the first place after all.

as if you ever took any responsibility for your lies and misinformation. you should be the last person to preach about responsibility.

[Kage Goomba]

Publicado originalmente por Komarimaru:

Publicado originalmente por M3GAHURTZ:

Except of course people can disable windows explorer, disable the run box, disable task manager, and disable all ability to open or run or execute a program, which would then prevent them from opening GPE again to undo it. But hey.. continue telling everyone it's safe and easy to use. Also I guess I should just stop trying to correct folks in the forums and sit back and watch what happens. I bet you or that goomba person would ever even bother helping someone if they followed your suggestions and something went wrong with their computer. Do remember that when you suggest something to someone in the forums it is your responsibility to help them if they break something following your advice. It was you that told them to do it in the first place after all.

Or, you could do what most professionals do and open it via powershell or command prompt.

But, say you did disable the run command fully, you do know the shortcut to the .msc file is on the hard drive, and easily found in System32, yes?

And it's a policy editor, not a service manager. So how are you disabling windows explorer in it?

He likely has never ever touched it until today.
Prob never touched Powershell either.

He's likely leeching off of us for education purposes only to become more irate.

[Kage Goomba]

Publicado originalmente por M3GAHURTZ:

Publicado originalmente por Kage Goomba:

GROUP POLICY EDITOR - NOT SERVICE MANAGER / STARTUP MANAGER

You can't tell it to shut down or not launch explorer - you would need a script for that.

If your going to argue your case - at least bother to know what the heck your talking about!

GPE is designed to enforce policies in an Active Directory environment.

Restricting Software yes - but key Operating System components - no.

So now you don't even know what you're suggesting to people. There totally is an option to prevent users from opening up windows explorer in the GPE. Also preventing users from opening start menu. And task manager. It's all in there. And you think that thing is harmless and everyone should just go romping around inside GPE as if nothing bad is in there.

See? This is what I'm talking about.

He won't read a word - just rambles off as if he knows everything.
You saw it here first folks - total fake.

"And it's a policy editor, not a service manager. So how are you disabling windows explorer in it?" <<<<< Proof right here - you don't know what you are talking about as Kom pointed out.

I expect you to answer him.