7 and 8.1 steam

[Skye Ashford]

I know steam is dying for the older windows editions, but I hate 10 and refuse to use 11. Can I still play my games, that I f*cking paid for, in 2024? And if something was to happen to my laptop, could I still use steam and download my games? I understand that I won't be able to buy new games, I'm content with Beam and Automation anyhow

[N3tRunn3r]

Back in the days for Windows XP, it was optional to install WGA. So these who freely used volume keys needed to be careful to NOT to install this particular and explicite WGA update.. for XP.

At a later stage, WGA was hard-coded into XP as well as into Windows 2000 via a Service Pack. But there had been 1 or even 2 ways to block it, so to continue to use a Volume Key. I still remember my old Windows XP Volume Key I had used and could type it with closed eyes. The forced WGA Update made it nearly impossible to use XP freely *cough*.. so I had gone back to W2k for some more months.. until Vista was released.

Then, Windows 7 ever had this licensing feature implemented, hardcoded-in, you could not simply bypass that from beginning in Windows 7, and so it was a matter of time until Windows 7 locked you out if unlicensed. Even special and today's obsolete Windows 7 unlockers (i wont mention names) didnt correctly work and so locked your W7 OS.

So, you could not simply use a Volume Key for W7, but W7 also released with new and enhanced functions to use Volume Keys without any issues with a bit more technical, stable hassle and know-how. There had been one functioning W7 licenser which worked, but wasnt needed if you know technical stuff and command lines.. Well, this exact same feature from Windows 7 even still works for today's MS Office products, even for Office 2024 Beta, in Windows 10 and Windows 11.

And it is true that the XP community avoided Windows Vista and later especially Windows 7's remake in Aug 2018 for telemetry stuff. Windows 7 SP1 is the last clean Windows 7, which MS removed its ISO long time ago ,while the Windows 7 2018 Edition is still available to be download from official MS servers. The 2018 edition is a very bloated W7 edition..

Personally I had skipped XP as long as I could and stayed at W2k as long as possible. Then used Vista for a few months until Windows 7 was released. I had tried the very unstable Windows 10 upon its release, switched back to W7 SP1, and instantly installed W11 and using it since today. I might gonna switch to Windows 12 instantly, too, next year.. and could use W12 Beta if it is stable..

Today I own a handful of W10/11 RETAIL Licenses, for myself and for some family members, and I am happy about it.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Origineel geplaatst door M3GAHURTZ:

Origineel geplaatst door SlowMango:

That isn't an attack on your comment.

You have no idea about the history with them and what they have done to me. Everything they write is an attack on me. They "target" me like this and specifically me and only me just to try and piss me off because they enjoy trying to upset me because it's what they do. Notice how they didn't respond to anyone else. They found my comment (and only my comment) to reply to just me and no one else.

I am aware of the history. That comment isn't an attack just because you say it is.

I also replied to one of your comments with a question that I and very curious to know the answer too.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Origineel geplaatst door N3tRunn3r:

Back in the days for Windows XP, it was optional to install WGA. So these who freely used volume keys needed to be careful to NOT to install this particular and explicite WGA update.. for XP.

At a later stage, WGA was hard-coded into XP as well as into Windows 2000 via a Service Pack. But there had been 1 or even 2 ways to block it, so to continue to use a Volume Key. I still remember my old Windows XP Volume Key I had used and could type it with closed eyes. The forced WGA Update made it nearly impossible to use XP freely *cough*.. so I had gone back to W2k for some more months.. until Vista was released.

Then, Windows 7 ever had this licensing feature implemented, hardcoded-in, you could not simply bypass that from beginning in Windows 7, and so it was a matter of time until Windows 7 locked you out if unlicensed. You could not simply use a Volume Key for W7, but W7 also released with new and enhanced functions to use Volume Keys without any issues with a bit more technical, stable hassle. This exact same feature from Windows 7 even still works for today's MS Office products, even for Office 2024 Beta, in Windows 10 and Windows 11.

And it is true that the XP community avoided Windows Vista and later especially Windows 7's remake in Aug 2018 for telemetry stuff. Windows 7 SP1 is the last clean Windows 7, which MS removed its ISO long time ago ,while the Windows 7 2018 Edition is still available to be download from official MS servers. The 2018 edition is a very bloated W7 edition..

Personally I had skipped XP as long as I could and stayed at W2k as long as possible. Then used Vista for a few months until Windows 7 was released. I had tried the very unstable Windows 10 upon its release, switched back to W7 SP1, and instantly installed W11 and using it since today. I might gonna switch to Windows 12 instantly, too, next year.. and could use W12 Beta if it is stable..

Today I own a handful of W10/11 RETAIL Licenses, for myself and for some family members, and I am happy about it.

This backs up the forum link talking about people bypassing the authentication by disable WGA when Windows 7 was released before any service packs.

[Komarimaru]

Origineel geplaatst door SlowMango:

Origineel geplaatst door N3tRunn3r:

Back in the days for Windows XP, it was optional to install WGA. So these who freely used volume keys needed to be careful to NOT to install this particular and explicite WGA update.. for XP.

At a later stage, WGA was hard-coded into XP as well as into Windows 2000 via a Service Pack. But there had been 1 or even 2 ways to block it, so to continue to use a Volume Key. I still remember my old Windows XP Volume Key I had used and could type it with closed eyes. The forced WGA Update made it nearly impossible to use XP freely *cough*.. so I had gone back to W2k for some more months.. until Vista was released.

Then, Windows 7 ever had this licensing feature implemented, hardcoded-in, you could not simply bypass that from beginning in Windows 7, and so it was a matter of time until Windows 7 locked you out if unlicensed. You could not simply use a Volume Key for W7, but W7 also released with new and enhanced functions to use Volume Keys without any issues with a bit more technical, stable hassle. This exact same feature from Windows 7 even still works for today's MS Office products, even for Office 2024 Beta, in Windows 10 and Windows 11.

And it is true that the XP community avoided Windows Vista and later especially Windows 7's remake in Aug 2018 for telemetry stuff. Windows 7 SP1 is the last clean Windows 7, which MS removed its ISO long time ago ,while the Windows 7 2018 Edition is still available to be download from official MS servers. The 2018 edition is a very bloated W7 edition..

Personally I had skipped XP as long as I could and stayed at W2k as long as possible. Then used Vista for a few months until Windows 7 was released. I had tried the very unstable Windows 10 upon its release, switched back to W7 SP1, and instantly installed W11 and using it since today. I might gonna switch to Windows 12 instantly, too, next year.. and could use W12 Beta if it is stable..

Today I own a handful of W10/11 RETAIL Licenses, for myself and for some family members, and I am happy about it.

This backs up the forum link talking about people bypassing the authentication by disable WGA when Windows 7 was released before any service packs.

Ya, some of us were actually on Steam back then, so remember all the OS and Steam changes. Why I laughed when it was posted that the WGA(changed to WAT) was added in a service pack for 7. When that was posted, I knew right away it was a lie.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Origineel geplaatst door Komarimaru:

Origineel geplaatst door SlowMango:

This backs up the forum link talking about people bypassing the authentication by disable WGA when Windows 7 was released before any service packs.

Ya, some of us were actually on Steam back then, so remember all the OS and Steam changes. Why I laughed when it was posted that the WGA(changed to WAT) was added in a service pack for 7. When that was posted, I knew right away it was a lie.

I honestly never paid attention to that type of stuff back then since I was a tad too young to really get into it.

[N3tRunn3r]

Origineel geplaatst door Lumios:

.. then we got windows 11 which in practise requires a Microsoft account in order to be used, has a worse UI, and has all the problem windows 10 had.

By the time we get to Windows 18, Microsoft will probably ask you pay a subscription to use your computer, otherwise it activates a Microsoft-approved ransomware.

Hey Lumios, that is not true. You can fully use Windows 11 without a MS account, without being online, without Cloud services etc.. and additionally you cn disable nearly all telemetry and your Ads-ID through Windows options.

You can either disable this in Windows 11 Options and Settings and change your online account into a LOCAL ACCOUNT, or during a fresh W11 install. You just need to open the command prompt during your fresh install and type in 'oobe\bypassnro'. There are some short tutorials I made you can find in my youngest post history..

P.s.:
The Enterprise and Education editions of Windows 11 include a setting to completely block ANY telemetry stuff. With a trick you can do this on Home and Professional editions too.

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/privacy/configure-windows-diagnostic-data-in-your-organization

And as often told already, Windows 7, 8, 10 and 11 COMBINED together is nothing about 'telemetry gathering' than Steam itself!!

https://help.steampowered.com/en/accountdata

Steam stores EVERYTHING even deleted files, data and items, since 2009 !!

People been afraid of using WIndows 7 and even Windows 10 or Windows 11?

You should be scared of what Steam alone does.. let alone your Smartphone devices..

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Origineel geplaatst door M3GAHURTZ:

Origineel geplaatst door kitty:

having same ugly desktop with watermark is disgusting. even for free. why anyone would do that to their PC? not to mention inability to manage OS in effective way.

Oh look at that. Kitty is back and attacking my comments again (and only my comments and no one else in the entire thread). I actually had thought we would have a little peace around here and then you had to start up this again. *sigh*

That would be an attack if you consider yourself as desktop with watermark all over your face. You're the one who is attacking people for nothing.

Origineel geplaatst door N3tRunn3r:

You can either disable this in Windows 11 Options and Settings and change your online account into a LOCAL ACCOUNT, or during a fresh W11 install. You ust need to open the command prompt during your fresh install and type in 'oobe\bypassnro'. There are some short tutorials I made you can find in my youngest post history..

What about TPM and other redundant hardware requirements? Can it be solved now without 3d party hacks?

[Boblin the Goblin]

Origineel geplaatst door <<---{!}--->>:

Origineel geplaatst door M3GAHURTZ:

Oh look at that. Kitty is back and attacking my comments again (and only my comments and no one else in the entire thread). I actually had thought we would have a little peace around here and then you had to start up this again. *sigh*

That would be an attack if you consider yourself as desktop with watermark all over your face. You're the one who is attacking people for nothing.

Origineel geplaatst door N3tRunn3r:

You can either disable this in Windows 11 Options and Settings and change your online account into a LOCAL ACCOUNT, or during a fresh W11 install. You ust need to open the command prompt during your fresh install and type in 'oobe\bypassnro'. There are some short tutorials I made you can find in my youngest post history..

What about TPM and other redundant hardware requirements? Can it be solved now without 3d party hacks?

TPMs have been a thing since laptops in 2006. It was in Windows 7 from the start.

[Kage Goomba]

Origineel geplaatst door M3GAHURTZ:

Origineel geplaatst door SlowMango:

That isn't an attack on your comment.

You have no idea about the history with them and what they have done to me. Everything they write is an attack on me. They "target" me like this and specifically me and only me just to try and piss me off because they enjoy trying to upset me because it's what they do. Notice how they didn't respond to anyone else. They found my comment (and only my comment) to reply to just me and no one else.

Paranoid much?
If you don't let this go and walk away your just going to get into trouble again.

Also you need to stop and consider the foolishness of your comment.

These are a public boards - people are free to reply/comment as they see fit within reason.

So in truth you are attacking them - they aren't attacking you.

You chose to reply - you chose to react - and that's why you got muted the last time.
I suggest you for once just take this little lesson and move along.

Or not - we'll just eat popcorn when it happens again.

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Origineel geplaatst door SlowMango:

TPMs have been a thing since laptops in 2006. It was in Windows 7 from the start.

I mean TPM 2.0. Every hardware has old TPM but it's not that good for TPM 2.0

[Boblin the Goblin]

Origineel geplaatst door <<---{!}--->>:

Origineel geplaatst door SlowMango:

TPMs have been a thing since laptops in 2006. It was in Windows 7 from the start.

I mean TPM 2.0. Every hardware has old TPM but it's not that good for TPM 2.0

Windows 7 has TPM 2.0 support.

[N3tRunn3r]

Origineel geplaatst door <<---{!}--->>:

..

What about TPM and other redundant hardware requirements? Can it be solved now without 3d party hacks?

Yes, even officially by MS, but personally I do not recommend it as you would use a unstable machine if bypassing the TPM requirements.

Installing Windows 11 on devices that don't meet minimum system requirements
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/installing-windows-11-on-devices-that-don-t-meet-minimum-system-requirements-0b2dc4a2-5933-4ad4-9c09-ef0a331518f1

Origineel geplaatst door N3tRunn3r:

There are various ways to disable TPM2.0, after install and while installing Windows 11.

You can create a .REG-file for your W11 installmedia on your USB, so it auto-disables TPM2.0 while fresh installing. This disables TPM2.0 and SecureBoot needs to be disabled as well.

An other step is to delete or to rename "appraiserres.dll" into "appraiserres.dll.bak", found on your ESD install media. This path requires technical know-how.

You got the terms, now find these guides at the Web.

BTW,
in rare cases, depends on your hardware, you can update your TPM 1.2 to 2.0 via Firmware.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/update-your-security-processor-tpm-firmware-94205cbc-a492-8d79-cc55-1ecd6b0a8022

So, before installing a unstable build, try to update your TPM chip with latest firmware at first. Good luck!

Origineel geplaatst door N3tRunn3r:

As mentioned in an other thread here, TPM2.0 for Windows 11 is needed for "multiple security features".

While it is indeed possible to bypass the TPM 2.x requirement during a fresh Windows 11 install, it is not recommended. If this "feature" is disabled, these particular users simply dont receive critical and "compatible" security updates, or updates which unstable this OS even more. However you receive less updates in general.

It is not just about this mentioned PIN feature above, but is a lesser part of it.

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/security/hardware-security/tpm/trusted-platform-module-top-node

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/security/hardware-security/tpm/tpm-fundamentals

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/security/hardware-security/tpm/tpm-recommendations#tpm-12-vs-20-comparison

Click on one of these 3 links which I posted above. A small example: Windows 11 without TPM2.0 cannot run "Windows Defender System Guard (DRTM)" and/or "SecureBIO", ..

What is Windows Defender System Guard (DRTM)?
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/security/hardware-security/how-hardware-based-root-of-trust-helps-protect-windows

In future, Intel and Microsoft, both want to establish and to deploy similar SECURITY FEATURES as it already exists in UNIX and Linux systems. To isolate critical files, system files, and whole critical directories to prevent potential attacks and file corruption.

This is important for Windows' "secured" infrastructure and environment .. which UNIX/Linux already have implemented for decades.

If you disable TPM2.0, you are vulnerable and use a "unstable build".. however, it is still better to use Windows 11 without TPM2.0 and all of its unstable stuff than to use Windows 7 .. xD

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thank you, N3tRunn3r

it answers my question.

[N3tRunn3r]

Before installing Windows 11 without TPM2.0, use Windows 10 instead until its EoL (End-of-Life) applies: https://learn.microsoft.com/lifecycle/products/windows-10-home-and-pro

[Seraphita]

Origineel geplaatst door N3tRunn3r:

Before installing Windows 11 without TPM2.0, use Windows 10 instead until its EoL (End-of-Life) applies: https://learn.microsoft.com/lifecycle/products/windows-10-home-and-pro

This is what I'll be doing. If I HAVE to install W11, I'll force it somehow. Unless I buy a new PC by that time. But otherwise, nothing against just, like, keeping W10 for as long as I can.