It seems we can still play our Win7 games, post Jan 1...

[xBCxRangers]

https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/4784-4F2B-1321-800A

"We expect the Steam client and games on these older operating systems to continue running for some time without updates after January 1st, 2024, but we are unable to guarantee continued functionality after that date".

I suppose it depends on the game?

Anyhow, i want to thank the poster "Monkehmaster" for bringing this new change to my attention.

Obviously, Mr Newell and Valve have been dealing with a lot of backlash. Hopefully, we can keep up the pressure, and have them punt this disaster to a later date. But this is a start.

I also want to thank many posters, who aided me, and many others, getting beaten regularly demanding clarity on this issue.

Thank you Valve, and Mr Newell for at least showing some more clarity on this matter.

And thank you for the rewards.

[Brian9824]

Originally posted by MonkehMaster:

Originally posted by brian9824:

Again, no one is arguing over it, however claiming that it somehow means its guaranteed to work for months and months and that people will have plenty of time to update down the road is blatantly false. There is no guarantee for any period of time, hence why people deserve the right to have that distinction when people keep spreading misinformation claiming its going to work for a long time after jan 1st.

it doesnt matter how long and im not sure why people feel the need to be vested in other peoples business.

steam changed the wording, which matches in line with what has happened since past OS's, now win 7 users can play their games and use steam, until it breaks..... nothing else matters, no matter how people want to spin it.

Yep, and people will need to operate with the knowledge that part of that means it can stop working ANYTIME after Jan 1st with no notice or warning

[MonkehMaster]

Originally posted by brian9824:

Originally posted by MonkehMaster:

you want citations, maybe try using google, im not here to do your research...

Ok

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/some

I was able to find one dictionary that lists it as both a small and long period of time so not exactly very accurate on their part and that is the exception to everyone else. So the general consensus is that it cannot be assumed to be a long period of time

except you didnt fully read all of them.

its meaning is "an unspecified amount of time" and mostly used as "a long period of time", "not a short period of time", but both meaning use said word.

anywho, im not going to sit around wasting time arguing the meaning of a word, that people are trying to argue in bad faith, to basically find argument where none exists.

[MonkehMaster]

Originally posted by brian9824:

Originally posted by MonkehMaster:

it doesnt matter how long and im not sure why people feel the need to be vested in other peoples business.

steam changed the wording, which matches in line with what has happened since past OS's, now win 7 users can play their games and use steam, until it breaks..... nothing else matters, no matter how people want to spin it.

Yep, and people will need to operate with the knowledge that part of that means it can stop working ANYTIME after Jan 1st with no notice or warning

and they already know and dont care, so you arguing it in their faces isnt helping anyone.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by xBCxRangers:

Originally posted by Tito Shivan:

The message always said "will officially stop supporting"
https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/4784-4F2B-1321-800A

Funny how memory betrays us sometimes.


You were the one who started with the flawed analogy of the cars that do not resemble this transition either.

You also dismissed the one example I posted which exactly resembles Steam's situation. Whatsapp (amongst other apps) dropping support for old mobile operating systems.

Idk what "What's Apps" even is, but as far as your other examples, they have failed.

The other examples started with you though. That's the point he's trying to make.

[Zefar]

Originally posted by MonkehMaster:

according to you, but then again, you people claimed it wouldnt run on said date, then steam changes it and everyone changes their tune and now arguing about how long it will take.

Because the first announcement of this patch they stated that Window 7 wouldn't work due to a security update.

So one would think Valve tried out the update on a Win7 PC and noticed that it didn't work. So they put that in their statement.

Now they have just added "We're unsure" because MAYBE it can work with a certain workaround.

Originally posted by MonkehMaster:

fact remains, win 7 users can do what they want with their own property and also fact remains win 7 users will be fine using win 7 until "whenever" it stops working, just like xp that still works on steam and runs the games (but with some broken functionality).

in the end, the arguing points you guys keep trying to come with, mean nothing.... who cares how long it will take, let the win 7 users run their property how they want, as it doesnt concern you or others.

It's like you're on a sinking boat. The boat is Steam and you people are waiting until it has sunk entirely before you take your next action.
You could have taken up on the free upgrade to Win10 before Microsoft shut it down last month.

Also "whenever it stops working" part, it'd be hilarious if the patch actually did make Steam stop working because then we can say "We told you so.".

[MonkehMaster]

Originally posted by Zefar:

Originally posted by MonkehMaster:

according to you, but then again, you people claimed it wouldnt run on said date, then steam changes it and everyone changes their tune and now arguing about how long it will take.

Because the first announcement of this patch they stated that Window 7 wouldn't work due to a security update.

So one would think Valve tried out the update on a Win7 PC and noticed that it didn't work. So they put that in their statement.

Now they have just added "We're unsure" because MAYBE it can work with a certain workaround.

Originally posted by MonkehMaster:

fact remains, win 7 users can do what they want with their own property and also fact remains win 7 users will be fine using win 7 until "whenever" it stops working, just like xp that still works on steam and runs the games (but with some broken functionality).

in the end, the arguing points you guys keep trying to come with, mean nothing.... who cares how long it will take, let the win 7 users run their property how they want, as it doesnt concern you or others.

It's like you're on a sinking boat. The boat is Steam and you people are waiting until it has sunk entirely before you take your next action.
You could have taken up on the free upgrade to Win10 before Microsoft shut it down last month.

Also "whenever it stops working" part, it'd be hilarious if the patch actually did make Steam stop working because then we can say "We told you so.".

im sure you would like saying "we told you so" assuming it even becomes correct lol.

fact remains, win 7 will runs steam and its games for "some time" into the future.

im running win 7 pro and win 11 pro and either way, I wont be worrying about anything, so you can keep the "you's" and "your/'re's to yourself.

that being said.... where is this spot where they added "we are unsure"?

Steam Support
Windows 7 and Windows 8 Support
As of January 1 2024, Steam will officially stop supporting the Windows 7, Windows 8 and Windows 8.1 operating systems. After that date, existing Steam Client installations on these operating systems will no longer receive updates of any kind including security updates. Steam Support will be unable to offer users technical support for issues related to the old operating systems, and Steam will be unable to guarantee continued functionality of Steam on the unsupported operating system versions.

In order to ensure continued operation of Steam and any games or other products purchased through Steam, users should update to a more recent version of Windows. We expect the Steam client and games on these older operating systems to continue running for some time without updates after January 1st, 2024, but we are unable to guarantee continued functionality after that date.

This change is required as core features in Steam rely on an embedded version of Google Chrome, which no longer functions on older versions of Windows. In addition, future versions of Steam will require Windows feature and security updates only present in Windows 10 and above.

We strongly encourage all Windows 7/8/8.1 users to update sooner rather than later. Microsoft ended security updates and technical support for Windows 7 in January 2020 and for Windows 8.1 in January 2023. Computers running these operating systems, when connected to the internet, are susceptible to new malware and other exploits which will not be patched. That malware can cause your PC, Steam and games to perform poorly or crash. That malware can also be used to steal the credentials for your Steam account or other services.

[dickdastardley]

I`ve not bought any games since it was announced Win 7 would no longer work... Potentially 101 flushed down the great corporate cash pan is enough.

[xBCxRangers]

Originally posted by SlowMango:

Originally posted by xBCxRangers:

Idk what "What's Apps" even is, but as far as your other examples, they have failed.

The other examples started with you though. That's the point he's trying to make.

I got it, but again the points he tried to make were wrong. In fact, if his points were correct, or had anything to do with this matter, we wouldn't even be having this conversation

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Originally posted by MonkehMaster:

Originally posted by C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

I don't see any Windows 10 or 11 users wincing over the fact that Windows 7, 8 and 8.1 are getting dropped.

what? that makes zero sense, why would win 10 or 11 users cares about win 7 support dropping?

that being said, not sure what that had anything to do with what i said.

You think you could read between the lines. What I meant was we're not the ones who can't handle it. That would be Windows 7, 8, and 8.1 users

Those numbers are also dwindling by the way.

[MonkehMaster]

Originally posted by C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

Originally posted by MonkehMaster:

what? that makes zero sense, why would win 10 or 11 users cares about win 7 support dropping?

that being said, not sure what that had anything to do with what i said.

You think you could read between the lines. What I meant was we're not the ones who can't handle it. That would be Windows 7, 8, and 8.1 users

Those numbers are also dwindling by the way.

win 7 users seem to be "handling it" quite fine, if you ignore the harassment from forum members over what OS they use, or prefer, ect... with their own property.

also, steam has clarified that steam will continue running on win 7 for "some time", so win 7 users a fine for the time being, what they do now or afterwards is no concern of anyones, aside from their own.

no one cares if the numbers are "dwindling".

[Seraphita]

Originally posted by MonkehMaster:

Originally posted by C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

You think you could read between the lines. What I meant was we're not the ones who can't handle it. That would be Windows 7, 8, and 8.1 users

Those numbers are also dwindling by the way.

win 7 users seem to be "handling it" quite fine, if you ignore the harassment from forum members over what OS they use, or prefer, ect... with their own property.

also, steam has clarified that steam will continue running on win 7 for "some time", so win 7 users a fine for the time being, what they do now or afterwards is no concern of anyones, aside from their own.

no one cares if the numbers are "dwindling".

Funny. Windows 7 users are losing their mind. There is no "handling it" here, not from them. If we want to stick to actual facts, they're going through the 5 stages of grief about it. When it's not that, it's twisting the truth said by steam to make themselves feel better.

These discussions are the consequences of people whining about wanting to keep a dead OS and crying injustice to steam about how it treats them. DESPITE the fact that window 7 is in fact a dead OS that lost support. They CAN keep windows 7 but it's their issue.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by xBCxRangers:

Originally posted by SlowMango:

The other examples started with you though. That's the point he's trying to make.

I got it, but again the points he tried to make were wrong. In fact, if his points were correct, or had anything to do with this matter, we wouldn't even be having this conversation

Except the one about WhatsApp(which is a messaging app) wasn't wrong. It's literally what happened.

Hell, I had an app on my phone that I paid for that no longer exist on the Play Store. Even in my 'owned apps' because it literally stopped being updated and was eventually removed completely.

[MonkehMaster]

Originally posted by Seraphita:

Originally posted by MonkehMaster:

win 7 users seem to be "handling it" quite fine, if you ignore the harassment from forum members over what OS they use, or prefer, ect... with their own property.

also, steam has clarified that steam will continue running on win 7 for "some time", so win 7 users a fine for the time being, what they do now or afterwards is no concern of anyones, aside from their own.

no one cares if the numbers are "dwindling".

Funny. Windows 7 users are losing their mind. There is no "handling it" here, not from them. If we want to stick to actual facts, they're going through the 5 stages of grief about it. And when it's not that, it's twisting the truth said by steam to make themselves feel better.

These discussions are the consequences of people whining about wanting to keep a dead OS and crying injustice to steam about how it treats them. DESPITE the fact that window 7 is in fact a dead OS that lost support. They CAN keep windows 7 but it's their problem.

an operating system is not a living thing, thus its not "Dead".

that being said, i like how all win 7 users are lumped in as one group, some calling them poor, others calling them whiners, or claiming all of them to be losing their minds, or they are twisting the truth (when in fact its the opposite), ect..., it shows the narravtive.

yes, we can keep win 7, thanks and steam thinks the same, glad they are not wording their support notification improperly now and clarifying that they expect it to work for "some time" afterwards, just as it happened with all other OS's, despite the original wording and claims of forum members due to wording said "it wont run".

in the end, win 7 users can use steam and play their games for "some time" (ie... an unspecified amount of time) until they "upgrade", or steam starts having trouble and workarounds become the normal, but its their choice and no one else's.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Originally posted by MonkehMaster:

Originally posted by C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

You think you could read between the lines. What I meant was we're not the ones who can't handle it. That would be Windows 7, 8, and 8.1 users

Those numbers are also dwindling by the way.

win 7 users seem to be "handling it" quite fine, if you ignore the harassment from forum members over what OS they use, or prefer, ect... with their own property.

also, steam has clarified that steam will continue running on win 7 for "some time", so win 7 users a fine for the time being, what they do now or afterwards is no concern of anyones, aside from their own.

no one cares if the numbers are "dwindling".

Disagreeing with someone isn't even close to harassment. They also should care if those numbers are dwindling because soon they'll be nothing to argue about.

You were also missing the part where they said they can't guarantee functionality after the first.

[xBCxRangers]

Originally posted by C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

Originally posted by MonkehMaster:

win 7 users seem to be "handling it" quite fine, if you ignore the harassment from forum members over what OS they use, or prefer, ect... with their own property.

also, steam has clarified that steam will continue running on win 7 for "some time", so win 7 users a fine for the time being, what they do now or afterwards is no concern of anyones, aside from their own.

no one cares if the numbers are "dwindling".

Disagreeing with someone isn't even close to harassment. They also should care if those numbers are dwindling because soon they'll be nothing to argue about.

You were also missing the part where they said they can't guarantee functionality after the first.

Well, there was no doubt harrassment even here, and they cleaned it up, even just some moments ago. And so it def does happen, regularly, many times on this issue.

It does unfortunately too many times rise to that level, though it is a mystery, and sincere one, why folks who are not affected, are even willing to risk their account, on a matter that does not pertain to them, but to us, those affected.

In any event, i think you know i, the OP of this thread, is not upgrading. We'll just have to see what's going to happen, post Jan 1, but if Valves statements are true, and given the old games i play that is in no need for an update, sone for the past 20 years, i think i'm good for awhile.