It seems we can still play our Win7 games, post Jan 1...

[xBCxRangers]

https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/4784-4F2B-1321-800A

"We expect the Steam client and games on these older operating systems to continue running for some time without updates after January 1st, 2024, but we are unable to guarantee continued functionality after that date".

I suppose it depends on the game?

Anyhow, i want to thank the poster "Monkehmaster" for bringing this new change to my attention.

Obviously, Mr Newell and Valve have been dealing with a lot of backlash. Hopefully, we can keep up the pressure, and have them punt this disaster to a later date. But this is a start.

I also want to thank many posters, who aided me, and many others, getting beaten regularly demanding clarity on this issue.

Thank you Valve, and Mr Newell for at least showing some more clarity on this matter.

And thank you for the rewards.

[D. Flame]

This doesn't actually answer anything. "We expect them to work for some time" isn't the salvation you think it is. This was always the expected result.

The game will assume you are in offline mode and switch to that and run for a short while. We always knew this would happen. The issue is that they will likely need to phone home eventually, and with no action on Valve's part, you will still be SoL.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Think of it this way. Custom Steam skins have never been officially supported. That means that any updates they make to the client if it breaks the skin, it's on that third party to create a workaround to get it to work. Same thing here. If they release an update to the client that breaks something while under Windows 7, that's it.

[Start_Running]

Oprindeligt skrevet af D. Flame:

This doesn't actually answer anything. "We expect them to work for some time" isn't the salvation you think it is. This was always the expected result.

The game will assume you are in offline mode and switch to that and run for a short while. We always knew this would happen. The issue is that they will likely need to phone home eventually, and with no action on Valve's part, you will still be SoL.

It's not even that... until the backend changes enough that the validation used by the w7 client stops working, the games will function as normal and not even consider offline mode.

When will that point happen. Who knows.

[NakiBest]

Oprindeligt skrevet af C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

Think of it this way. Custom Steam skins have never been officially supported. That means that any updates they make to the client if it breaks the skin, it's on that third party to create a workaround to get it to work. Same thing here. If they release an update to the client that breaks something while under Windows 7, that's it.

And then you move to Windows 8.0!?!! And get a few months more!?

And then if/once that fails, you move to Windows 8.1, YES?? YES!!? :)

[xBCxRangers]

Okay, so now we resolved one thing. We now know, we will likely be able to play our games on Win 7 for some time yet, post Jan 1.

A lot of "we never said you couldn't, Ranger" . Yes you did, ad nauseum. You were wrong.

Now we know we can, which of course is the rationale for the thread.

Lets now see if we can get Mr Newell, to punt this altogether, which, MAY happen, and please do not say, it def will not. Being we just may see, another one of these.

There is no "definite" when it comes to gaming.

Anyhow, at least i saved on a new PC lol.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Oprindeligt skrevet af xBCxRangers:

Okay, so now we resolved one thing. We now know, we will likely be able to play our games on Win 7 for some time yet, post Jan 1.

A lot of "we never said you couldn't, Ranger" . Yes you did, ad nauseum. You were wrong.

Now we know we can, which of course is the rationale for the thread.

Lets now see if we can get Mr Newell, to punt this altogether, which, MAY happen, and please do not say, it def will not. Being we just may see, another one of these.

There is no "definite" when it comes to gaming.

Anyhow, at least i saved on a new PC lol.

We weren't wrong. Did you miss the part where Valve said they can't guarantee that it will work after January 1st? You're only reading what you want to read and calling it a victory. When in fact, it's worse. They are flat-out telling you that they cannot guarantee support at all after January 1st.

At this point, we all know that it doesn't matter what they say, because you're just going to twist it into anything that fits your own opinion.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Oprindeligt skrevet af VB✠Driver:

If people can run Steam on XP still, then we'll be able to run Steam on 7 for few more years.

Sending any threads from anyone saying they're running Steam on XP? I haven't, and support was dropped for XP and Vista in 2018 and 2019.

[xBCxRangers]

Oprindeligt skrevet af C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

Oprindeligt skrevet af xBCxRangers:

Okay, so now we resolved one thing. We now know, we will likely be able to play our games on Win 7 for some time yet, post Jan 1.

A lot of "we never said you couldn't, Ranger" . Yes you did, ad nauseum. You were wrong.

Now we know we can, which of course is the rationale for the thread.

Lets now see if we can get Mr Newell, to punt this altogether, which, MAY happen, and please do not say, it def will not. Being we just may see, another one of these.

There is no "definite" when it comes to gaming.

Anyhow, at least i saved on a new PC lol.

We weren't wrong. Did you miss the part where Valve said they can't guarantee that it will work after January 1st? You're only reading what you want to read and calling it a victory. When in fact, it's worse. They are flat-out telling you that they cannot guarantee support at all after January 1st.

At this point, we all know that it doesn't matter what they say, because you're just going to twist it into anything that fits your own opinion.

Well as for you, you were DEF wrong. You and your "history tells us". Did history tell you, you can play your games post the XP, 98, ME, for some time, and all these other matters you were involved?

Thank you again for your contribution, but remind me not to listen you EVER again,.not that i ever did. And for that, i should be grateful.

[ุ]

Oprindeligt skrevet af xBCxRangers:

Oprindeligt skrevet af C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

We weren't wrong. Did you miss the part where Valve said they can't guarantee that it will work after January 1st? You're only reading what you want to read and calling it a victory. When in fact, it's worse. They are flat-out telling you that they cannot guarantee support at all after January 1st.

At this point, we all know that it doesn't matter what they say, because you're just going to twist it into anything that fits your own opinion.

Well as for you, you were DEF wrong. You and your "history tells us". Did history tell you, you can play your games post the XP, 98, ME, for some time, and all these other matters you were involved?

Thank you again for your contribution, but remind me not to listen you EVER again,.not that i ever did. And for that, i should be grateful.

You don't really listen to anyone who doesn't reaffirm your own opinion so...

[Bullitt]

What I don't understand is why so many people are hell bent on telling Win7 users that they WONT be able to play their games. Why does this matter to them?

Steam is only stopping support for Win7, the platform will still work for months and possibly years to come. You do not understand the drive of the PC community, they will keep outdated software going as long as they can. If there is one thing I have learned in my 23 years in the IT industry, it is do not rule out what we can keep going.

I do firmly believe in upgrading off Win7 as it is an End of Life Operating System, but I understand there are gamers out there that cannot update their hardware to support Win10. Find the Win7 communities that work towards patching/fixing exploits through community driven software updates if you trust them, there are plenty out there, just need to do the research on it.

Best of luck to those that run Win7, I am sure you will still be able to game for some time to come. Hell, if it comes down to it, I might just install Win7 on one of my older drives just to see how it pans out and try to assist the community.

[xBCxRangers]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Bullitt:

What I don't understand is why so many people are hell bent on telling Win7 users that they WONT be able to play their games. Why does this matter to them?

Steam is only stopping support for Win7, the platform will still work for months and possibly years to come. You do not understand the drive of the PC community, they will keep outdated software going as long as they can. If there is one thing I have learned in my 23 years in the IT industry, it is do not rule out what we can keep going.

I do firmly believe in upgrading off Win7 as it is an End of Life Operating System, but I understand there are gamers out there that cannot update their hardware to support Win10. Find the Win7 communities that work towards patching/fixing exploits through community driven software updates if you trust them, there are plenty out there, just need to do the research on it.

Best of luck to those that run Win7, I am sure you will still be able to game for some time to come. Hell, if it comes down to it, I might just install Win7 on one of my older drives just to see how it pans out and try to assist the community.

This about sums it up. You're right, idk why they're perturbed of someone elses issue , but they're gonna deal with it one way or another. We're getting access to our games post Jan, and that's what matters. Thanks again.

[Start_Running]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Bullitt:

What I don't understand is why so many people are hell bent on telling Win7 users that they WONT be able to play their games. Why does this matter to them?

Because its the truth.
And knowing the truth allows people to make the most well reasoned decisions available to them. Which works. as evidenced byv the steadiluyy declining WIn7 numbers. I think the combined total of W7/w8 is less than 1% now , a fither of what it it was are ound the start of the year.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Bullitt:

Steam is only stopping support for Win7, the platform will still work for months and possibly years to come. You do not understand the drive of the PC community, they will keep outdated software going as long as they can. If there is one thing I have learned in my 23 years in the IT industry, it is do not rule out what we can keep going.

I'd give it abiout 3 months if previous discontinuitions are anything to go by. But not years because at somepoint that back end is going to be updated past the point of W7 to cope and from there...no more license verification which means that even Offline mode will eventually fail.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Bullitt:

I do firmly believe in upgrading off Win7 as it is an End of Life Operating System, but I understand there are gamers out there that cannot update their hardware to support Win10.

The hardware reqs for W7 and W10 are literally the same.
If you can run W7, you have the specs to run W10 I mean its right there on MS's own records.
I don't even know how that bit of misinformation still manages to get bandied arround.

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

I'm saying this. I'm going to laugh when this topic is revived because angry Windows 7 users are horrified that Steam stopped supporting their ancient OS and come back to whine like some mismatched army.

Not saying that anyone posting here will, but frankly I hate to be "That guy" but I just found a few lads in Off-Topic who were on Windows 7 and didn't even know this was happening, so its actually funny when Steam gave so many warnings and out of the remaining 0.90% of Steam users that use Windows 7, it seems far less of that percentage are even aware their about to loose support for their ancient OS.

[Ionut Catalin Frasineanu]

It has become slightly funny to see the "desperation" with which Windows 7 users post on the forums in the hope that they will remain in the primitive and ancient era of Windows 7! At this rate, after January 1, 2024, the Steam forums will become a real "vale of lamentation" with the official "death" of Windows 7; to see tears and sobs then. Rest in peace Windows 7 ⏳

[xBCxRangers]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Caldari Military Sly Succubus:

I'm saying this. I'm going to laugh when this topic is revived because angry Windows 7 users are horrified that Steam stopped supporting their ancient OS and come back to whine like some mismatched army.

Not saying that anyone posting here will, but frankly I hate to be "That guy" but I just found a few lads in Off-Topic who were on Windows 7 and didn't even know this was happening, so its actually funny when Steam gave so many warnings and out of the remaining 0.90% of Steam users that use Windows 7, it seems far less of that percentage are even aware their about to loose support for their ancient OS.

Personally i never believed Valves numbers, and idt they do either lol. That's likely why they had to clarify, and next step may be to punt the whole thing, being a million gamers, by their own numbers is too many.

They likely thought it would be a lot less, and more like the XP matter.