It seems we can still play our Win7 games, post Jan 1...

[xBCxRangers]

https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/4784-4F2B-1321-800A

"We expect the Steam client and games on these older operating systems to continue running for some time without updates after January 1st, 2024, but we are unable to guarantee continued functionality after that date".

I suppose it depends on the game?

Anyhow, i want to thank the poster "Monkehmaster" for bringing this new change to my attention.

Obviously, Mr Newell and Valve have been dealing with a lot of backlash. Hopefully, we can keep up the pressure, and have them punt this disaster to a later date. But this is a start.

I also want to thank many posters, who aided me, and many others, getting beaten regularly demanding clarity on this issue.

Thank you Valve, and Mr Newell for at least showing some more clarity on this matter.

And thank you for the rewards.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by Leonardo Da Pinchi:

Originally posted by Everyone is Invited:

except even valves games can't stop exploiters and cheaters so i am not sure that auto updating has had any real effect other then forcing things at people they don't need or want, and or breaking software on people that had it working on systems prior to a forced update.

for example csgo's forced update to csgo2 broke the game for millions of people who play csgo, how can you justify it when csgo2 is more cheat filled then ever and has had zero success in removing exploits even with its new updates.

No anticheat can ever 100% catch or punish cheaters. Even ring 0 anticheats.

The only thing Ring 0 anti-cheats can guarantee is allow anyone who can exploit them a free pass to do whatever the ♥♥♥♥ they want to your system.

[bidulless]

Originally posted by Leonardo Da Pinchi:

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But we're unsure the extent of the damage just yet.

Hello

It's allready started with people who have blocked the update for the client the day the red banner appeared like myself...

The chat part stopped working when the client was fully updated to cef (september) and get ride of the old system forcing the client to continuously using internal server and http request to dialog with every main function and the chat was one of the last function converted to this way of working.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by MonkehMaster:

Originally posted by SlowMango:

You going to backup that claim?

you going to provide evidence that refutes it?

You don't prove a negative.

Also;

Originally posted by MonkehMaster:

i would rather listen to people who are right, not people who are wrong and only here to cause drama and arguing.

[76561199559798421]

so why is forcing a update at everyone that fixes nothing considered ok when it breaks the software for those that currently use it ? this forced updating to terminate device usage should be not only considered illegal but a malicious act of criminal mischief that companies should be fined and sued over.

if you look at microsofts legal battles in the past you see that used replacements judges who where almost subjectively bribed to drop charges against them. if proof got out that such things took place it would shake up the tech industry and force companies such as microsoft to not only have to forever support the software they sell, but to divide those companies into subsidiary entities so they would no longer be considered a monopoly or allow users to be exploited in such a way with software manipulation profit gains.

[MonkehMaster]

Originally posted by SlowMango:

Originally posted by MonkehMaster:

you going to provide evidence that refutes it?

You don't prove a negative.

Also;

Originally posted by MonkehMaster:

i would rather listen to people who are right, not people who are wrong and only here to cause drama and arguing.

you dont prove what?

why do you keep spamming a quote over and over (maybe quit spamming?)... are you mad that i will believe people with evidence over others?

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by Everyone is Invited:

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What does that have to do with proving this;

Originally posted by Everyone is Invited:

for example csgo's forced update to csgo2 broke the game for millions of people who play csgo, how can you justify it when csgo2 is more cheat filled then ever and has had zero success in removing exploits even with its new updates.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by MonkehMaster:

Originally posted by SlowMango:

You don't prove a negative.

Also;

you dont prove what?

why do you keep spamming a quote over and over... are you mad that i will believe people with evidence over others?

Just showing why me saying that the statement was ironic is 100% correct is all.

[MonkehMaster]

Originally posted by SlowMango:

Originally posted by MonkehMaster:

you dont prove what?

why do you keep spamming a quote over and over... are you mad that i will believe people with evidence over others?

Just showing why me saying that the statement was ironic is 100% correct is all.

so you are proving me right? yes i guess that is ironic... though we dont need spam in the forum.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by MonkehMaster:

Originally posted by SlowMango:

Just showing why me saying that the statement was ironic is 100% correct is all.

so you are proving me right? yes i guess that is ironic... though we dont need spam in the forum.

You do understand what you are saying when you say your statement was indeed ironic right?

I means you are describing yourself in that statement.

[76561199559798421]

what it proves it forcing a update at people , breaks it for more people then it fixes things, and forcing auto updates destroys that software for many who use it, which is malicious.

its proves that companies manipulate software internally to seek profit gains from terminating its use on customers. it also proves that auto updating holds no viable solution for end users and is only a tool to allow larger profit gains from software manipulating companies that seek to break what currently works.

another good example is steam vr software, which has in went from working well for many users to completely breaking on them, just another example of auto updating being bad for those who it is suppose to support.

the other side of that is what if a rogue disgruntle employee forced a auto update at users that broke everything with malicious intent and the damage caused was irreversible not only hurt that company but end users to the point it was a criminal act, something as simple as not allowing Auto update would keep millions or billions of systems from being infected.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Originally posted by Everyone is Invited:

Originally posted by SlowMango:

Except for programs that have and online infrastructure that connect millions of users, forced updates are the only reasonable way to try and make sure that online functionality works for everyone.

That why multiplayer games will generally not let users on different versions play in the same match. It prevents exploits that may have been fixed or bugs being caused by changes that are not present in the older version.

except even valves games can't stop exploiters and cheaters so i am not sure that auto updating has had any real effect other then forcing things at people they don't need or want, and or breaking software on people that had it working on systems prior to a forced update.

for example csgo's forced update to csgo2 broke the game for millions of people who play csgo, how can you justify it when csgo2 is more cheat filled then ever and has had zero success in removing exploits even with its new updates.

CS2 has cheaters because it is an online game and as this has been repeated to you and it shouldn't need to be repeated over and over. The update to CS2 didn't cause more cheaters, there are cheaters in the game because as stated it is a online game and all online games have cheaters. Do I really need to bring up the fact that humans cheat because they're human again?

You guys keep bringing this up because you can't seem to wrap your head around the fact that it is a problem that cannot be fixed. Ever. Unless you fix humans first.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by Everyone is Invited:

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None of that was proof of the claim you made that I quoted.

[MonkehMaster]

Originally posted by SlowMango:

Originally posted by MonkehMaster:

so you are proving me right? yes i guess that is ironic... though we dont need spam in the forum.

You do understand what you are saying when you say your statement was indeed ironic right?

I means you are describing yourself in that statement.

im sorry, but i dont argue in circles, you can keep that nonsense to yourself, thanks.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by MonkehMaster:

Originally posted by SlowMango:

You do understand what you are saying when you say your statement was indeed ironic right?

I means you are describing yourself in that statement.

im sorry, but i dont argue in circles, you can keep that nonsense to yourself, thanks.

Not arguing in circles. You just agreed that it was ironic that you made the statement I quoted.

For that statement to be ironic, it would have to be expected the one making that statement does not do the actions claimed in sed statement but in reality actually does do them.

Like a fire truck being on fire. No one expects a fire truck to be on fire because it's used to put out fires. Because of that, it's ironic when it is on fire.

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

Originally posted by Nx Machina:

Originally posted by Everyone is Invited:

except even valves games can't stop exploiters and cheaters

Originally posted by MonkehMaster:

you going to provide evidence that refutes it?

Name a single 100% fully effective anti cheat system.

The top game in the list for cheaters is Fornite with 26 million.

Next is Overwatch with over 9 million.

I remember when valorant dropped and people kept citing it has the best anticheat. One of the esp programs I wrote back then still works.