Akidovich 29 nov. 2023 às 20:52
Windows Explorer (Explorer.exe) causing problem to Steam Games Apps (Serious Bug Report)
When open Windows Explorer (Aka. My Computer) left before open any games from Steam , any games not set the screen resolution as the same as the native resolution (Example 2560x1600 display set 1920x1080 game resolution in game settings) , the game would launch but will immediately crash and cannot be fixed without END EXPLORER.EXE PROCESS IN TASK MANAGER AND RE-RUN IT or by restart the PC.

Sometimes even without open Windows Explorer (Aka. My Computer) , this bug still happens.

This problem always happen after Windows 11 2023 Fall Update. (Windows 11 23h2)

All updates from Windows Update are installed. All drivers are up to date.

No Performance Optimizer software were used.

This is not related with graphic driver. I have already used DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) , sfc/scannow & dism command.

Switching from Intel to Nvidia graphic driver don't help.

Only by restart or end explorer.exe fix the issue without restart the PC.
Última alteração por Akidovich; 3 dez. 2023 às 0:01
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Kage Goomba 2 dez. 2023 às 12:22 
Originalmente postado por RiO:
Originalmente postado por Zefar:
The Explorer.exe only crashed back in 7 and before. In both Win10 and Win11 it has not crashed once.
Even at work I have never had any of the hundreds of PC have the Explorer.exe crash on Win10.

To me it sounds you've broken your installment of Windows if you have the explorer.exe crash that often.

It happens more often than you'd think:
https://www.windowslatest.com/2023/10/14/windows-11-kb5031354-is-causing-major-issues/

The recent October KB update is screwy.

Also, specifically with the fall 23H2 update, iirc there are issues where Copilot and the Nvidia display driver can conflict. These may occur more easily when the GPU is under load (like from a video-game) and as Copilot's UI afaik integrates into the Windows shell directly, if it crashes it could very well take the taskbar, start menu, et al. along for the ride. And all of those are hosted in the explorer.exe instance.

So my first advice if uninstalling the buggy October KB update mentioned doesn't fix things, would be:

Figure out how to figure out if your machine has Copilot. (Because not all regions in the world have it.)
Then figure out if your machine actually has Copilot.
If it does; figure out how to kill it.
Kill it.


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Fun anecdote:

I have a business laptop which also loves to crash Explorer as well as the entire Windows Security subsystem. Which I've traced down to having Hyper-V installed. Which was a necessity for using Docker before. I've re-rigged that to use Docker through WSL2 (Windows Subsystem for Linux v2) and no more crashes. Now I just have WSL2 gobbling up 50% of the RAM and never releasing it. Which Microsoft has tried to fix no less than 3 times already. And each time they've failed.

Bottom-line: MS and Windows are not infallible. In fact, they are very, very fallible. Comes with the territory of being a huge product with a lot of variance to its specific configuration. You will always have untested cases that will only come to light in-the-wild.

*applauds*

As someone who has sys-admin'd AD's - there is so much truth to this.
NakiBest 2 dez. 2023 às 13:07 
1) Drivers/hardware issue.

2) Theming software used, if any?

3) System Optimized/Tweaked "to death" using one of them System Tweak, Super Optimize/etc tools.

Solution for #2 and #3 - do NOT use any such software.

Even the mostly harmless and very popular CCleaner deleted one of my important files, so since then I use only the Windows OS Disk Cleanup. :)
Última alteração por NakiBest; 2 dez. 2023 às 13:08
davidb11 2 dez. 2023 às 13:34 
Originalmente postado por NakiBest:
1) Drivers/hardware issue.

2) Theming software used, if any?

3) System Optimized/Tweaked "to death" using one of them System Tweak, Super Optimize/etc tools.

Solution for #2 and #3 - do NOT use any such software.

Even the mostly harmless and very popular CCleaner deleted one of my important files, so since then I use only the Windows OS Disk Cleanup. :)

How in tarnation did CCleaner do that.
Ow.

I really need to update it.
Kage Goomba 2 dez. 2023 às 13:34 
Originalmente postado por NakiBest:
1) Drivers/hardware issue.

2) Theming software used, if any?

3) System Optimized/Tweaked "to death" using one of them System Tweak, Super Optimize/etc tools.

Solution for #2 and #3 - do NOT use any such software.

Even the mostly harmless and very popular CCleaner deleted one of my important files, so since then I use only the Windows OS Disk Cleanup. :)

Bloatware for the win...or should I say win-dows - ok ok I'll see myself out.
Última alteração por Kage Goomba; 2 dez. 2023 às 13:35
Akidovich 2 dez. 2023 às 23:09 
Originalmente postado por NakiBest:
3) System Optimized/Tweaked "to death" using one of them System Tweak, Super Optimize/etc tools.

Solution for #2 and #3 - do NOT use any such software.

Even the mostly harmless and very popular CCleaner deleted one of my important files, so since then I use only the Windows OS Disk Cleanup. :)


To be honest , I never used third-party cleaner software before beside Windows Disk Cleanup , and no need to tell about any niche pc optimizer because I always prefer stability than performance. This is first time in 2 years I noticing an annoying bug.

Anyway , so far since I have disabled Co-Pilot and Hyper-V I don't encounter any issue upon launching my steam games as I used to be.

Well , I wonder if users don't aware to turn off damm Windows Update for themselves , will it still because of user error then? lol
Última alteração por Akidovich; 2 dez. 2023 às 23:10
Kage Goomba 2 dez. 2023 às 23:15 
Originalmente postado por Akidovich:
Originalmente postado por NakiBest:
3) System Optimized/Tweaked "to death" using one of them System Tweak, Super Optimize/etc tools.

Solution for #2 and #3 - do NOT use any such software.

Even the mostly harmless and very popular CCleaner deleted one of my important files, so since then I use only the Windows OS Disk Cleanup. :)


To be honest , I never used third-party cleaner software before beside Windows Disk Cleanup , and no need to tell about any niche pc optimizer because I always prefer stability than performance. This is first time in 2 years I noticing an annoying bug.

Anyway , so far since I have disabled Co-Pilot and Hyper-V I don't encounter any issue upon launching my steam games as I used to be.

Well , I wonder if users don't aware to turn off damm Windows Update for themselves , will it still because of user error then? lol

Co-pilot Id agree.

Hyper-V may cause problems however - can't remember why. Check into that.

If you are on Win 11 Home - you won't be able to disable updates - unless Microsoft had a moment of sanity.

Win 11 Pro - its presumed you can due to the numerous class action lawsuits/lawsuits Microsoft lost to corporations who had their entire AD Networks upended due to an "update"


As to 3rd party "utility apps" - More often than not they cause more harm than good.
CCC Cleaner is not "hostile" on my list but its on my "no longer trustworthy" list as its been known to break things at times.

But I'll not stop folks from using them.
I tend to be wary of apps - due to the fact they tend to make a mess of Microsoft's increasingly messier messes.
Akidovich 3 dez. 2023 às 0:00 
Originalmente postado por Kage Goomba:

If you are on Win 11 Home - you won't be able to disable updates - unless Microsoft had a moment of sanity.

Win 11 Pro - its presumed you can due to the numerous class action lawsuits/lawsuits Microsoft lost to corporations who had their entire AD Networks upended due to an "update"


As to 3rd party "utility apps" - More often than not they cause more harm than good.
CCC Cleaner is not "hostile" on my list but its on my "no longer trustworthy" list as its been known to break things at times.

But I'll not stop folks from using them.
I tend to be wary of apps - due to the fact they tend to make a mess of Microsoft's increasingly messier messes.

I have an OEM version of Windows 11 coming along with my laptop.

Do you think buying an upgrade to Pro to avoid more problems is a good idea?

I had tried downgrading to 10 once, but it seems to have issues with some drivers.
Kage Goomba 3 dez. 2023 às 1:35 
Originalmente postado por Akidovich:
Originalmente postado por Kage Goomba:

If you are on Win 11 Home - you won't be able to disable updates - unless Microsoft had a moment of sanity.

Win 11 Pro - its presumed you can due to the numerous class action lawsuits/lawsuits Microsoft lost to corporations who had their entire AD Networks upended due to an "update"


As to 3rd party "utility apps" - More often than not they cause more harm than good.
CCC Cleaner is not "hostile" on my list but its on my "no longer trustworthy" list as its been known to break things at times.

But I'll not stop folks from using them.
I tend to be wary of apps - due to the fact they tend to make a mess of Microsoft's increasingly messier messes.

I have an OEM version of Windows 11 coming along with my laptop.

Do you think buying an upgrade to Pro to avoid more problems is a good idea?

I had tried downgrading to 10 once, but it seems to have issues with some drivers.

If you can afford to upgrade to Pro - DO IT.
Yes its a bit pricey - but when you get access to pro - you get access to AD Tools (Active Directory) that allow you to take control of your system on a Sys Admin level.

Things like telling updates to "STFU" and leave you alone.
Course this is on a faith thing due to Microsoft taking an heavier hand approach to their OS these days.

Bottom line - Pro gives you "Business" level access that atypical users do not have.

Majority of systems out there only ship with "Home"

Granted you may not see much of a change in terms of how it behaves as a gamer - but one of these days (if not sooner) you may need access to a feature set that is only available to Pro.

Case and Point - Windows 10 Pro gives me access to "Group Policy" - I have a policy set that strictly forbids my Windows system from updating past itself - so no Windows 11 forced update that nearly happened to my Dad some time back (of which I managed to sabotage/abort before he was forced into a system he wasn't ready for).

Windows 10 Home users are forced to update regardless of what anyone says.
You may be able to delay it for 6 weeks - but your stuck taking that update regardless.

That's just one of many luxuries.

Yes - its at a premium.
Thankfully updating from Home to Pro is just "cutting the leash" - it won't require reinstalling - one can hope as I'm presuming 11 isn't that much different.

You feed it a key - maybe reboot once - and that's it.
Zefar 3 dez. 2023 às 2:48 
Originalmente postado por Kage Goomba:

Windows 10 Home users are forced to update regardless of what anyone says.
You may be able to delay it for 6 weeks - but your stuck taking that update regardless.

This makes no sense on why it's a bad to update your OS.

People have ALWAYS and I mean ALWAYS been going "Wait a few years for the new OS to stabilize before you move to it." Do you know how it does that?

Through Windows Update.

What point would it be to buy a new OS several years later and then not telling it to update?
You'll be running the worst version of the OS with none of the upgrades for it. The one with least compatibility and probably the most bugs to it.


Also I was on Win10 home and Win10 just asked if I wanted to move to 11, I took no at first and it never bothered me about it again. So no Win10 Home does not automatically move you to 11. Even if you have the hardware.
Volfogg 3 dez. 2023 às 3:05 
Hmm... That's odd timing, because I had waiting Win11 23h2 update and before deciding to install it, I played an aRPG for 1 hour, then opened a browser to double-check char build and I had 1st blue screen since PC purchase.
Hardware isn't faulty, PC is clean of malicious software.
Is Win11 at fault? Not surprising if "yes", but I expected a bit... better.
Última alteração por Volfogg; 3 dez. 2023 às 4:27
Kage Goomba 3 dez. 2023 às 10:57 
Originalmente postado por Zefar:
Originalmente postado por Kage Goomba:

Windows 10 Home users are forced to update regardless of what anyone says.
You may be able to delay it for 6 weeks - but your stuck taking that update regardless.

This makes no sense on why it's a bad to update your OS.

People have ALWAYS and I mean ALWAYS been going "Wait a few years for the new OS to stabilize before you move to it." Do you know how it does that?

Through Windows Update.

What point would it be to buy a new OS several years later and then not telling it to update?
You'll be running the worst version of the OS with none of the upgrades for it. The one with least compatibility and probably the most bugs to it.


Also I was on Win10 home and Win10 just asked if I wanted to move to 11, I took no at first and it never bothered me about it again. So no Win10 Home does not automatically move you to 11. Even if you have the hardware.

And yet it happens.
Ask Microsoft.
Never said I liked it or approved.
Why do you think I fight so damn hard to keep control. :P
RiO 4 dez. 2023 às 9:04 
Originalmente postado por Zefar:
Originalmente postado por Kage Goomba:

Windows 10 Home users are forced to update regardless of what anyone says.
You may be able to delay it for 6 weeks - but your stuck taking that update regardless.

This makes no sense on why it's a bad to update your OS.

People have ALWAYS and I mean ALWAYS been going "Wait a few years for the new OS to stabilize before you move to it." Do you know how it does that?

Through Windows Update.

What point would it be to buy a new OS several years later and then not telling it to update?
You'll be running the worst version of the OS with none of the upgrades for it. The one with least compatibility and probably the most bugs to it.

They're saying that Pro gives you the ability to indefinitely defer certain things such as milestone updates; (or upgrades to a new major OS version, like 10 to 11 for that manner), until you're actually ready to take them and until you believe they are stable enough for general use, which typically is anywhere from 6 to 12 months after release. Not the 6-8 weeks at which Microsoft deems it to OK to turn half the world into their personal guinea pig.

And they're right: it does.

Works via group policies rather than via UI of course, so there's some 'consulting the manual' involved to set it up. But it works. And works well. (It had better, or a lot of mid-sized businesses that don't qualify for Enterprise licensing would collectively have Microsoft's hide.)

That said: For now.
MS has been hard at work for a long time bringing the AD deployment tooling that goes with MS InTune to the cloud, integrating it with Azure AD and rebranding the whole she-bang as Microsoft Entra.

They've even included safety-rail features like a semi-hidden "use security defaults" setting that is enabled by default for all new tenants in the system and forces use of what Microsoft considers the sign-in best practices du jour, regardless of actual configured security practices.
(If you have to deal with administering Azure-AD sign-ins and have received reports from your users that the MS Authenticator 2FA solution and token timeouts are being forced on them because "your organization requires that [..]" despite the fact that you have explicitly never configured anything of the sorts, well-- THIS IS WHY.)

Odds are good, very good, that they are positioning for a power-move where they're going to force organizations that want to keep their own update cadence, to move to a monthly subscription for cloud-based AD and Intune update management services via Entra.

At which point it'll be the final middle finger raised to consumer power-users that buy Pro because they know what they're doing and would rather hold off a bit to see if Microsoft also still knows what it was doing.
It means either you'll suck it up and get that MS account and get that cloud subscription like a good little milk-cow and be entrenched into monthly payments to ensure you remain in control of when your system receives updates; or you'll just fold and get Home - like Microsoft intended in the first place. (Which will also settle into forcing you to use an MS account. A final kick in the rear as they boot you out the shop's entrance.)
Última alteração por RiO; 4 dez. 2023 às 9:21
Kage Goomba 4 dez. 2023 às 9:25 
Originalmente postado por Zefar:
Originalmente postado por Kage Goomba:

Windows 10 Home users are forced to update regardless of what anyone says.
You may be able to delay it for 6 weeks - but your stuck taking that update regardless.

This makes no sense on why it's a bad to update your OS.

People have ALWAYS and I mean ALWAYS been going "Wait a few years for the new OS to stabilize before you move to it." Do you know how it does that?

Through Windows Update.

What point would it be to buy a new OS several years later and then not telling it to update?
You'll be running the worst version of the OS with none of the upgrades for it. The one with least compatibility and probably the most bugs to it.


Also I was on Win10 home and Win10 just asked if I wanted to move to 11, I took no at first and it never bothered me about it again. So no Win10 Home does not automatically move you to 11. Even if you have the hardware.

If your having to ask - clearly you have little to no experience in using windows.

If you'd been reading this thread you'd know why.
You folks always lecture and come off as big experts when you know so very little.
Última alteração por Kage Goomba; 4 dez. 2023 às 9:27
Akidovich 6 dez. 2023 às 2:02 
Today I was notified that Microsoft released the KB5032288 (December 4, 2023) update for my Windows 11 23h2

Interestingly, it seems this update claims to fix many issues related to "Windows Explorer".

Here are some examples :

● This update addresses an issue that affects File Explorer. When you press Shift + F10, the shortcut (context) menu does not open.

● This update addresses an issue that affects File Explorer windows. When you do not expect them, they appear in the foreground.

● This update addresses an issue that affects File Explorer. The options in the left pane show the wrong state.

● This update affects the shortcut (context) menu. Its performance is now better when you open it on the desktop and in File Explorer.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/december-4-2023-kb5032288-os-builds-22621-2792-and-22631-2792-preview-538fbe4a-e9de-4312-85cd-d870444341d0
Última alteração por Akidovich; 6 dez. 2023 às 2:03
Kage Goomba 6 dez. 2023 às 2:08 
Originalmente postado por RiO:
Originalmente postado por Zefar:

This makes no sense on why it's a bad to update your OS.

People have ALWAYS and I mean ALWAYS been going "Wait a few years for the new OS to stabilize before you move to it." Do you know how it does that?

Through Windows Update.

What point would it be to buy a new OS several years later and then not telling it to update?
You'll be running the worst version of the OS with none of the upgrades for it. The one with least compatibility and probably the most bugs to it.

They're saying that Pro gives you the ability to indefinitely defer certain things such as milestone updates; (or upgrades to a new major OS version, like 10 to 11 for that manner), until you're actually ready to take them and until you believe they are stable enough for general use, which typically is anywhere from 6 to 12 months after release. Not the 6-8 weeks at which Microsoft deems it to OK to turn half the world into their personal guinea pig.

And they're right: it does.

Works via group policies rather than via UI of course, so there's some 'consulting the manual' involved to set it up. But it works. And works well. (It had better, or a lot of mid-sized businesses that don't qualify for Enterprise licensing would collectively have Microsoft's hide.)

That said: For now.
MS has been hard at work for a long time bringing the AD deployment tooling that goes with MS InTune to the cloud, integrating it with Azure AD and rebranding the whole she-bang as Microsoft Entra.

They've even included safety-rail features like a semi-hidden "use security defaults" setting that is enabled by default for all new tenants in the system and forces use of what Microsoft considers the sign-in best practices du jour, regardless of actual configured security practices.
(If you have to deal with administering Azure-AD sign-ins and have received reports from your users that the MS Authenticator 2FA solution and token timeouts are being forced on them because "your organization requires that [..]" despite the fact that you have explicitly never configured anything of the sorts, well-- THIS IS WHY.)

Odds are good, very good, that they are positioning for a power-move where they're going to force organizations that want to keep their own update cadence, to move to a monthly subscription for cloud-based AD and Intune update management services via Entra.

At which point it'll be the final middle finger raised to consumer power-users that buy Pro because they know what they're doing and would rather hold off a bit to see if Microsoft also still knows what it was doing.
It means either you'll suck it up and get that MS account and get that cloud subscription like a good little milk-cow and be entrenched into monthly payments to ensure you remain in control of when your system receives updates; or you'll just fold and get Home - like Microsoft intended in the first place. (Which will also settle into forcing you to use an MS account. A final kick in the rear as they boot you out the shop's entrance.)

Missed this last night - Very well put and nicely said.

Actively Directory gives Sys Admins the ability build their own local Windows Update server - to pool/cache up updates - test them out - and selectively deploy those updates that are considered "safe".

Microsoft is notoriously famous for breaking systems out of the blue without thoroughly testing (hence the "We're all beta testers" joke)

They've been sued over it - repeatedly - and lost - repeatedly.

Which is why I've started saying "Go pro or go home" to my peers (no don't buy home lol)

Is it overkill? yes
But if you are picky about your system - you want the extra controls.

The GPE isn't that hard to figure out - lot of the various options practically spell it out. A couple of quick googles and you'll find answers as well.

It's certainly safer than messing with the Registry and more reliable than Service manager fiddling as I've found out recently it has a tendency to "undo" your changes behind your back.... Registry is chaotic and painful - but a necessary evil if your not able to use the features that Pro provides.

Home was meant to cater to the Windows users who don't care don't want to fuss with it and just let it work period.

Pro is for those who are fed up and want control of their system - they may not use all features - but the feature set is there none the less.

So its an investment - and frankly - worth it.
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