MykeyRM 2023 年 11 月 26 日 下午 5:27
Give us "Conditional recommendation" / Middle ground option!
For the love of god give us a sideways thumb.
Would you recommend this? NO, Is it a bad game? NO
But if you are going to force me to pick one of the two I will Down thumb to not risk wasting peoples money on a unclear review status.. Come on Valve... SORT THE BASICS!
最后由 MykeyRM 编辑于; 2023 年 12 月 3 日 下午 7:14
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Chef 2023 年 12 月 2 日 上午 5:48 
I'm just here to tell you that you're wrong for all of the reasons that have been mentioned already.
MykeyRM 2023 年 12 月 2 日 上午 6:14 
Cool story
DiceDsx 2023 年 12 月 2 日 上午 6:36 
引用自 MykeyRM
引用自 DiceDsx
Again, that's for your friend to decide if the seating is a deal-breaker for him or not.

It's your experience you have to write about, and it's fine if it was bad for you. You could also write that maybe it won't be an issue for others, but ruined your experience.

Agreed, That is the reason for this thread. To give the friend/other players more information
to make their choice.

"Maybe" is the recommendation answer based on my experience,
followed by review stating the issues that others might not mind that could make it a purchase.
I don't like the idea of adding a third option because it changes the system completely, making it a "good/mixed/bad" one. The current one works, it's just that people treat it as a "good/bad" one, realize it doesn't work, and ask to change it completely instead of adapting to it.

Your "Maybe" can be translated into a "Yes/No, but..." and addressed by the actual text, which the current system supports.
The text is the most valuable part of the whole, not the thumb's direction.
niralamart000 2023 年 12 月 2 日 上午 6:39 
i say mid button would make sense
niralamart000 2023 年 12 月 2 日 上午 6:39 
引用自 Zarineth
Not needed in my opinion. I would instantly filter out any "I don't know" reviews, as they have no value.

so that's your problem then
Walach 2023 年 12 月 2 日 上午 6:52 
With the current system, I multiply all the reviews listed in the statistics by 10 and use that number as the "neutral review."
That is, everyone who isn't writing a review, is neutral about the game, in my opinion. :P
MykeyRM 2023 年 12 月 2 日 上午 6:54 
引用自 DiceDsx

I don't like the idea of adding a third option because it changes the system completely, making it a "good/mixed/bad" one. The current one works, it's just that people treat it as a "good/bad" one, realize it doesn't work, and ask to change it completely instead of adapting to it.

Your "Maybe" can be translated into a "Yes/No, but..." and addressed by the actual text, which the current system supports.
The text is the most valuable part of the whole, not the thumb's direction.

The only ones to suffer from this change will be already released and review games that have their rating already.

Your right, the text is a valuable part of somebodies feedback but I'm sure a large number of people are guilty of passing by a game based on thumb's direction alone, without taking time to read the explanations.

I feel like if the mixed/maybe view was added people are more likely to look at the reasons before dismissing a game.
最后由 MykeyRM 编辑于; 2023 年 12 月 2 日 上午 6:55
Arkham99 2023 年 12 月 2 日 上午 7:21 
a Neutral Review is easily accomplished by Not Reviewing the game...:-)
TristanMike 2023 年 12 月 2 日 上午 7:32 
引用自 Start_Running
Hene why reviews come wuith commentary so you can read the 'Why'.


That's easy. You as the person writing get to decide the audience you're targeting. Decide and then write.

Stars really only make sense when there a clear consensus as to what the difference between any two stars is. For entertainment, it does suinceb there's very little objective basis for any review.

Now it can work where you're polling a consistent sopurce, say a single reviewer over time...but when pioling a mass population.. year...it makes no sense. The main issue being. What any of those stars mean is gonna differ from reviewer to reviewer, and also even between the reviewer and the reader.


That's okay. You have your standards. I have mine, and joghn bradley has theirs.
You missed the point ENTIERLY. To get to the "WHY" Valve forces me to provide a rating I'm (and MANY MANY others) not comfortable with. Just look at the reviews and there are plenty of people wanting a mixed rating.

Your Stars comment makes no sense. Virtually every single site that allows reviews uses a sliding scale. IMDB, Rotten Tomatoes, MetaCritic ALL use sliding scales because ART is not binary.

And frankly, everyone using their own "standards" to rate a game makes the rating system even more pointless. The point of having a system is that everyone understands the rules of said system and generally follows them. If you have people just doing things how they want, there's absolutely no cohesion as to why anything is getting done. At least with a sliding scale there's more room for consensus on what each rating means.

It's amazing the attitude people seem to have. "Valve does it, it HAS to be right". Like there's never any room for improvement or that they can't make poor choices. This rating system is a poor choice for consumers and a great one for corporations.
DiceDsx 2023 年 12 月 2 日 上午 7:33 
引用自 MykeyRM
引用自 DiceDsx

I don't like the idea of adding a third option because it changes the system completely, making it a "good/mixed/bad" one. The current one works, it's just that people treat it as a "good/bad" one, realize it doesn't work, and ask to change it completely instead of adapting to it.

Your "Maybe" can be translated into a "Yes/No, but..." and addressed by the actual text, which the current system supports.
The text is the most valuable part of the whole, not the thumb's direction.

The only ones to suffer from this change will be already released and review games that have their rating already.

Your right, the text is a valuable part of somebodies feedback but I'm sure a large number of people are guilty of passing by a game based on thumb's direction alone, without taking time to read the explanations.

I feel like if the mixed/maybe view was added people are more likely to look at the reasons before dismissing a game.
So thousands upon thousands of games will be affected...

I think adding another option will make people read even less reviews than they do now. It might even act like another "Bad" option:

"Oh look, this game has 500 Good, 1500 Mixed and 350 Bad reviews. Guess' better not bother with it..."

The only way it could be worse would be with scores.
D. Flame 2023 年 12 月 2 日 上午 7:49 
引用自 Arkham99
a Neutral Review is easily accomplished by Not Reviewing the game...:-)
Then people cry cause I constantly give games a thumbs down, when I would have given it a neutral review instead if I could have.
Tiberius 2023 年 12 月 2 日 上午 7:51 
引用自 TristanMike
引用自 Start_Running
Hene why reviews come wuith commentary so you can read the 'Why'.


That's easy. You as the person writing get to decide the audience you're targeting. Decide and then write.

Stars really only make sense when there a clear consensus as to what the difference between any two stars is. For entertainment, it does suinceb there's very little objective basis for any review.

Now it can work where you're polling a consistent sopurce, say a single reviewer over time...but when pioling a mass population.. year...it makes no sense. The main issue being. What any of those stars mean is gonna differ from reviewer to reviewer, and also even between the reviewer and the reader.


That's okay. You have your standards. I have mine, and joghn bradley has theirs.
You missed the point ENTIERLY. To get to the "WHY" Valve forces me to provide a rating I'm (and MANY MANY others) not comfortable with. Just look at the reviews and there are plenty of people wanting a mixed rating.

Your Stars comment makes no sense. Virtually every single site that allows reviews uses a sliding scale. IMDB, Rotten Tomatoes, MetaCritic ALL use sliding scales because ART is not binary.

And frankly, everyone using their own "standards" to rate a game makes the rating system even more pointless. The point of having a system is that everyone understands the rules of said system and generally follows them. If you have people just doing things how they want, there's absolutely no cohesion as to why anything is getting done. At least with a sliding scale there's more room for consensus on what each rating means.

It's amazing the attitude people seem to have. "Valve does it, it HAS to be right". Like there's never any room for improvement or that they can't make poor choices. This rating system is a poor choice for consumers and a great one for corporations.

The question is not abt how good the art is. The question is do you like the art or not.

The aggregate score works just fine.
Nx Machina 2023 年 12 月 2 日 上午 7:56 
引用自 TristanMike
You missed the point ENTIERLY. To get to the "WHY" Valve forces me to provide a rating I'm (and MANY MANY others) not comfortable with. Just look at the reviews and there are plenty of people wanting a mixed rating.

You are not forced to write reviews. It is voluntary not mandatory. You are choosing to write reviews and in turn engaging with the system.

Steam already has a "mixed rating" for games.

引用自 TristanMike
It's amazing the attitude people seem to have. "Valve does it, it HAS to be right". Like there's never any room for improvement or that they can't make poor choices. This rating system is a poor choice for consumers and a great one for corporations.

Valve have the system THEY want and have chosen not to alter it.

Secondly you cannot improve "shrug" which neutral is as it is non-committal.

1) Did you enjoy the meal sir? Shrug.

2) Will you be paying by cash or card? Shrug.

3) Did our service meet your needs sir? asks the hotel manager. Shrug.

You did not shrug when it came to Cyberpunk 2077 (recommended) and neither did you shrug at Starfield (not recommended), you went into detail why you chose A or B and in turn you answered the question asked of you. "Would you recommend this game to others players".

Recommend: to endorse (or not).

Secondly this is a "discussion forum" where others can have a different opinion and not affirm if they disagree with the premise of neutral (non-committal) reviews.
最后由 Nx Machina 编辑于; 2023 年 12 月 2 日 上午 9:45
American Dove Mitten 2023 年 12 月 2 日 上午 8:59 
In 15 years I have seen both steam users and publishers abuse the crap out of rating system, sure on a big scale it usually evens out, but with mid and smaller games it's easily manipulated.

Every day for the last 5 years or so, a group of 300 fake accounts are pushing scam asset flips into temporary trending, so don't tell me the system is working fine when anyone who is following the rules has a massive disadvantage, even if people don't buy them, they pile up on the normal games making them easier to miss.

In a perfect world the context of the review is more important than a blue or red color, but most people won't read your review beyond the first 2 sentences. Steam reviews for the most part are a dump of memes, award farmers, and opinions with no context.

I would use the neutral review personally, because I generally want to help the developer without offending them, but also leaving a review because I paid for the game and have the right to express my opinion in the official manner and not just leave feedback in the forum.

But that is just me, I think people that make reviews too objective are the reason all these review websites are so unpopular. The few game reviewers on youtube I respect tend to talk about games from an academic point of interest, because they have passion for games, not because they want to tell you what you should do.

Beyond that, what you buy is your responsibility, people often like to act like it's not
最后由 American Dove Mitten 编辑于; 2023 年 12 月 2 日 上午 9:03
Kargor 2023 年 12 月 2 日 上午 9:16 
引用自 DiceDsx
It's your experience you have to write about, and it's fine if it was bad for you. You could also write that maybe it won't be an issue for others, but ruined your experience.

There are still games that I wouldn't have given a thumb up (or thumb down) if there was a middle option -- in those cases, it's more a case of "is it a thumb up/down? Not really. Is it a thumb down/up? That's a bit too much, so I'll still give it a thumb up/down.

3 options would be nice, 5 options would be even better. Even more... not so sure. The more options you have, the less obvious the difference between them.

You can also think about it from a slightly different perspective: anyone if a decent number of games under their belt will probably be able to pick two thumb-up games where they would describe one as "great" and the other one as "ok...".
But, on Steams rating system, they are the same.
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