Awards 2023 what do you think

[Blitz4]

RDR2 won labor of love award

and hasn't gotten an update since 2020

[PocketYoda]

Its basically a scam.. All awards are a joke.. patting themselves on the back after making millions is just disgusting.. not to mention bias as...

[Zefar]

Origineel geplaatst door __++__==:

Steam awards are garbage. This cannot be disputed. Deflection does not change the fact.

Fun? No its an embarassment.

But if the games YOU liked won you'd call it a massive success.

People are just bad at loosing here. Those who cares the most are the ones who think their game should have won.

[PocketYoda]

Origineel geplaatst door Zefar:

Origineel geplaatst door __++__==:

Steam awards are garbage. This cannot be disputed. Deflection does not change the fact.

Fun? No its an embarassment.

But if the games YOU liked won you'd call it a massive success.

People are just bad at loosing here. Those who cares the most are the ones who think their game should have won.

Nope still a waste of space..

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Origineel geplaatst door Zefar:

Origineel geplaatst door __++__==:

Steam awards are garbage. This cannot be disputed. Deflection does not change the fact.

Fun? No its an embarassment.

But if the games YOU liked won you'd call it a massive success.

People are just bad at loosing here. Those who cares the most are the ones who think their game should have won.

Yeah I'm waiting for Sid Meier's Civilisation (1991) to get its award

[Blitz4]

Origineel geplaatst door Chika Ogiue:

Origineel geplaatst door Blitz4:

do you think their stock will go up or down after winning the award?

See, here's the cold hard truth. The majority of people don't care. Pointless award shows are treated as pointless award shows. They're jokes. And half the fun is seeing people like you losing it when something wins. So laugh it off.

And if you truly feel an indie dev was screwed out of something over a pointless award, then do something meaningful for them. Buy twenty copies of their game to gift to other people you think would appreciate it. Because, again, cold hard truth time, the only support that matters is financial. So put your money where mouth is and do something about the injustice you perceive that is more then just complaining about it here.

20 copies wouldn't mean as much as an award.
20,000 copies wouldn't mean as much as an award.
Some of these indie games are life projects for these studios.

This was the first year I ever looked at Steam awards, last year was the first I ever looked at the Video Game Awards.

And what about that indie who gets motivated after winning or being nominated to create a better game? A more popular and more successful game? A game that the big companies copy to keep you entertained?

I can't see the Steam Awards as an Award anymore. Not when people aren't voting honestly, but being sarcastic. The whole point is that Steam Awards is the only Awards that is fully voted on by the fans, every single other Awards are given out by the media, thus you're only gonna see the big name companies and games there. The VGA's are 90% media controlled, and they tend to favor console games as that's how they make their profits.

Valve designed the awards and allowed free reign, so the end result is what how they want it to play out. It's only fair that the only fully gamer voted awards are fully transparent and the final votes are listed. Seeing if my nominee was #6 or #60 and the final vote tally for the nominees would be two changes to allow people to take this garbage seriously again.

[☎need4naiim☎]

If it had been a really, REALLY serious award, The Labor of Love award should have been going for one of these games every year: Euro Truck Simulator 2, American Truck Simulator and Exanima until another game(s) catch up with them.

[BJWyler]

Origineel geplaatst door Blitz4:

20 copies wouldn't mean as much as an award.
20,000 copies wouldn't mean as much as an award.
Some of these indie games are life projects for these studios.

If a dev is making a passion project for the rewards, then they are absolutely doing it incorrectly 100%, and it's not actually a passion project. I have had great conversations with many one man indie devs, and those that run a very small studio. The ones who have real passion never want meaningless awards, they just want people to have as much enjoyment playing their games as they did creating them. That's their main motivation.

This is gaming. It's supposed to be fun and relaxing. It's not supposed to be serious. I dare say to take gaming seriously is to be antithesis to what gaming is at it's core nature.

That some people feel they need to compensate for something else missing in their lives by being "Pro Leet Gamerz" and feel it's all ruined by the "Casual Noobz" is sad, but that doesn't mean we need to go all special snowflake for these people with meaningless awards just so they can feel good about themselves. If someone wants to do a "serious" Gaming Award show, let them start up their own blog and have it. That's the great thing about the Internet, anyone can jump onto blogger, Tik Tok, YouTube, Twitch, or what have you and try to make their fifteen minutes of fame by doing whatever it is the "right way."

Heck, I got so tired of all the random Top Ten lists that everyone and their grandma comes out with every year that I made up my own, with relevant sublists, and posted it on my website. Naturally, those are the only true definitive and correct lists for the best games of all time, so anyone coming up with anything else would be pointless and completely incorrect (unless it matches my lists, of course).

Any attempt to "legitimize" the rewards is not going to have the effect people think it will have. It's simply just going to be another Top 10 list that ultimately means something only to the handful of people who happen to agree with it. The same with any awards show. Just because some movie wins an Oscar doesn't mean I suddenly feel a compulsion to go see that movie. If I am going to pay my hard-earned money for two hours of entertainment, I don't care one whit if it wins an Oscar or not. The only thing I care about is getting value for that money spent. And I minimize my risk of that not happening by researching my options and picking the movie that I am most likely going to enjoy based upon the information available and my own personal tastes. Whether it wins any awards is completely meaningless.

[Blitz4]

https://videogames.si.com/news/steam-awards-2023-results

Hogwarts Legacy also another possible meme/troll.

Looked into why.

The performance isn't so great on low settings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ld-t8ZG1Wc8


But if the company that owns the company that made Hogwarts Legacy listened to fans and released onto GeForce NOW (which is free). That wouldn't be an issue.

[Blitz4]

If these are memes. I'm surprised Overwatch 2 wasn't nominated. But makes since it wasn't since D4 did come out before nominations were over. Still, 3 months and no existing Blizzard games on Steam yet.

Origineel geplaatst door Crazy Tiger:

Same as every year. Meaningless as it's simply there to create engagement during 2 sales. It's a fun dise thingy. The community votes, so naturally it's merely a popularity contest.

I don't care about the results. I nominated and voted randomly, for the badge and stickers.

That likely happens to a lot more people. Can't get unbiased results if you reward people for their votes. Say a person only buys the big name games and doesn't really play games that much. What if they haven't bought a game since RDR2 or GTA5 came out.

I guess it'd be a need test. If every single game ever sold on steam was in a spreadsheet and it showed a % of how many steam users owned each game. And the year of release. Sort it by ownership and the games at the top and seeing if there's any correlation between ownership and the winners.

[Blitz4]

Origineel geplaatst door ☎need4naiim☎:

If it had been a really, REALLY serious award, The Labor of Love award should have been going for one of these games every year: Euro Truck Simulator 2, American Truck Simulator and Exanima until another game(s) catch up with them.

Yea we should create a post of nothing but games that provide continued support and better the game year over year. That's what the award is supposed to be about. There are too many indie EA games where the devs lose interest and don't finish. I'm curious what other games are

But look at the finalists:
deep rock galactic: 214k reviews
dota 2: 2149k reviews
rdr2: 475k reviews
rust: 831k reviews
apex legends: 777k reviews

just the words labor of love, make it sound like it's not about the money right? 4 of the 5 above games have microtransactions. only deep rock galactic doesn't. rdr2 doesn't as well, but rd online (51k reviews) does.

to me 'labor of love' means you feel you're paying too little and getting too much for a game that a dev clearly loves and not interested in money.


I can name a few:
Dwarf Fortress (with 1 dev, technically doesn't qualify it's not out more than a year)
Workers & Resources
Captain of Industry
Rimworld
Factorio

The latter 2, might have enough money where they don't need or care about the award other than to use it as leverage to make more money. Like Bethesda did.

[Blitz4]

Origineel geplaatst door BJWyler:

Origineel geplaatst door Blitz4:

20 copies wouldn't mean as much as an award.
20,000 copies wouldn't mean as much as an award.
Some of these indie games are life projects for these studios.

If a dev is making a passion project for the rewards, then they are absolutely doing it incorrectly 100%, and it's not actually a passion project. I have had great conversations with many one man indie devs, and those that run a very small studio. The ones who have real passion never want meaningless awards, they just want people to have as much enjoyment playing their games as they did creating them. That's their main motivation.

This is gaming. It's supposed to be fun and relaxing. It's not supposed to be serious. I dare say to take gaming seriously is to be antithesis to what gaming is at it's core nature.

That some people feel they need to compensate for something else missing in their lives by being "Pro Leet Gamerz" and feel it's all ruined by the "Casual Noobz" is sad, but that doesn't mean we need to go all special snowflake for these people with meaningless awards just so they can feel good about themselves. If someone wants to do a "serious" Gaming Award show, let them start up their own blog and have it. That's the great thing about the Internet, anyone can jump onto blogger, Tik Tok, YouTube, Twitch, or what have you and try to make their fifteen minutes of fame by doing whatever it is the "right way."

Heck, I got so tired of all the random Top Ten lists that everyone and their grandma comes out with every year that I made up my own, with relevant sublists, and posted it on my website. Naturally, those are the only true definitive and correct lists for the best games of all time, so anyone coming up with anything else would be pointless and completely incorrect (unless it matches my lists, of course).

Any attempt to "legitimize" the rewards is not going to have the effect people think it will have. It's simply just going to be another Top 10 list that ultimately means something only to the handful of people who happen to agree with it. The same with any awards show. Just because some movie wins an Oscar doesn't mean I suddenly feel a compulsion to go see that movie. If I am going to pay my hard-earned money for two hours of entertainment, I don't care one whit if it wins an Oscar or not. The only thing I care about is getting value for that money spent. And I minimize my risk of that not happening by researching my options and picking the movie that I am most likely going to enjoy based upon the information available and my own personal tastes. Whether it wins any awards is completely meaningless.

It might not mean you go see the movie. But it does mean you're likely to watch the trailer and be aware of info about the movie now. When you hear it mentioned a few more times. You may watch it.

Agreed value for money spent is important. I used to measure hours/dollar for my gameplay. That Stopped cause many games are favoring the sandbox and I seem to gravitate towards those games. If I do find a big name game and it's not challenging, that's the only thing that affects me emotionally. It means the game wasn't made for me and I paid for it with my time and money.

The post above about the total reviews. That's a decent way to estimate sales. Granted for a free game how's that work. Point is it shows population owned.

Tip about getting rid of the top 10 lists. You're mostly going to see them only on YouTube. Go into your youtube history and clear it all out. Everything. Then never touch a top 10 list when it comes up and you're unlikely to see one ever again. You can train the algorithm to work in your favor. The only thing that algorithm prioritizes is watchtime above all else. So if it shows you a list of vids on your homepage and you just close youtube. It'll have failed. Then if it shows you something and you click it and watch the whole thing, it'll show you more of that.

[Sleepy Yoshi]

Origineel geplaatst door Blitz4:

Valve designed the awards and allowed free reign, so the end result is what how they want it to play out. It's only fair that the only fully gamer voted awards are fully transparent and the final votes are listed. Seeing if my nominee was #6 or #60 and the final vote tally for the nominees would be two changes to allow people to take this garbage seriously again.

I wouldn't actually mind this. To see a wrap up at the end of the nomination period, showing the top 5 with how many votes they received and then allowing the user to see the where other games nominated landed. Including the entire list is probably not going to happen, but it could be cut off at a certain vote number required or cut at an arbitrary position like top 100.

Then also seeing total votes for winner and four 'runners up' at the finale. At the very least it would interesting data.