Download Speed bottoming out

[Bigg Doug]

I know this has been a thing but I figure I would try and ask, but recently whenever I try to download a game it goes way low to a dead stop and then back to a low speed. We have 500Mb internet so I'm fairly sure this shouldn't be happening. I've gone into the command prompt, device manager, file explorer, switched Ethernet ports on the router, changed Ethernet cables and uninstalled steam and nothing seems to work.

11th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-11700K @ 3.60GHz
GTX 4070
32GB 3200 MHz RAM
MSI Z490-A PRO motherboard

[( ( < < <🤖> > > ) )]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Shaggin'Wagon:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από ragefifty50:

if someone posts a pic of them getting max download speed on steam...
then their system is a system that can be documented and copied...

so i cant understand how we can not have benchmarks for steam

That would be nice but unfortunately steam doesn't record that metric and no one else is bothering to benchmark different system configurations and find what works and what doesn't.

so nice is available... we just dont do it...

anyone in contact with the youtuber - gamers nexus

[Dango]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Shaggin'Wagon:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Bad_Conduct:

Depends on the game, you can see the disk and download usage, and if the disk usage is still high while the download is 0, then it's decompressing the file.

Yes. That is EXACTLY it. If your storage system was fast enough to de-compress the files faster then it would do it without delaying downloading. If steam stops downloading while your storage drive is showing high usage trying to decompress a file then it means your storage system isn't fast enough to decompress the file without slowing down Steam.

This is true except decompression is executed in memory and the decompressed files are then written to the hard drive. Any reasonable nvme drive will never be the bottleneck considering IOPs and write speed over pci lanes. However, decompression isnt the issue here, its download speeds of the compressed files.

[Dango]

also, I could have sworn doug mentioned his hard drive type but i cant find it.

[Dango]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από ragefifty50:

also... steam should have results of systems
that are downloading at max speed...

steam should be providing spec data to say these systems
are successful and maxing out the steam bandwidth..

Not really. Any modern pc is capable of downloading and decompressing without download speeds degrading. I have never had an issue maintain gig speeds even while running several background operations since I can remember. Even spinner drives are capable of this.

Its like this, if I can download and install large files from other game services and maintain max line speed but only one game service isnt capable of it then its that service with the issue. If I download RDR2 directly from rockstar I maintain max line speed the entire time. If I download GTA5 from steam I avg about 400 to 600 maaaybe 800 mbps and its usually 400. If I change steam servers those numbers are wildly different. That last part proves without a doubt that steam servers are at fault.

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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Teh Dango:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από ragefifty50:

also... steam should have results of systems
that are downloading at max speed...

steam should be providing spec data to say these systems
are successful and maxing out the steam bandwidth..

Not really. Any modern pc is capable of downloading and decompressing without download speeds degrading. I have never had an issue maintain gig speeds even while running several background operations since I can remember. Even spinner drives are capable of this.

Its like this, if I can download and install large files from other game services and maintain max line speed but only one game service isnt capable of it then its that service with the issue. If I download RDR2 directly from rockstar I maintain max line speed the entire time. If I download GTA5 from steam I avg about 400 to 600 maaaybe 800 mbps and its usually 400. If I change steam servers those numbers are wildly different. That last part proves without a doubt that steam servers are at fault.

so if you go to your ISP and say whats going on here....
they should be able to do tests into steam/rockstar and
confrim the same results as you... and come back with steam has problems...

does it say anywhere that steam are obligated
to provide you with max download speed...

[Shaggin'Wagon]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Teh Dango:

Not really. Any modern pc is capable of downloading and decompressing without download speeds degrading. I have never had an issue maintain gig speeds even while running several background operations since I can remember. Even spinner drives are capable of this.

Its like this, if I can download and install large files from other game services and maintain max line speed but only one game service isnt capable of it then its that service with the issue. If I download RDR2 directly from rockstar I maintain max line speed the entire time. If I download GTA5 from steam I avg about 400 to 600 maaaybe 800 mbps and its usually 400. If I change steam servers those numbers are wildly different. That last part proves without a doubt that steam servers are at fault.

It was already explained to you multiple times. It seems you have difficulty with reading comprehension and do not understand basic English words. I guess that I should copy and repeat what Kitty said since you didn't read it the first few times. I will also try my best to use simple words so that your mind can (hopefully) understand this time. I'll even make it in big text so it's easier to read:

STEAM DOES NOT BEHAVE THE SAME AS OTHER DOWNLOAD SERVICES.

If you are some how still having difficulty with these words then please let me know. I would be happy to try to write it in another way that would be easier for you to read and understand.

[Dango]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από ragefifty50:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Teh Dango:

Not really. Any modern pc is capable of downloading and decompressing without download speeds degrading. I have never had an issue maintain gig speeds even while running several background operations since I can remember. Even spinner drives are capable of this.

Its like this, if I can download and install large files from other game services and maintain max line speed but only one game service isnt capable of it then its that service with the issue. If I download RDR2 directly from rockstar I maintain max line speed the entire time. If I download GTA5 from steam I avg about 400 to 600 maaaybe 800 mbps and its usually 400. If I change steam servers those numbers are wildly different. That last part proves without a doubt that steam servers are at fault.

so if you go to your ISP and say whats going on here....
they should be able to do tests into steam/rockstar and
confrim the same results as you... and come back with steam has problems...

does it say anywhere that steam are obligated
to provide you with max download speed...

The ISP has nothing to do with specific services. They are there to facilitate your connection to the outside world. ISPs generally dont block data based on whether its coming from steam or some other company and even if they did it would most likely be an on or off situation.

And no it does not state anywhere they are obligated but considering they are the largest gaming platform in the world they should be more than able to provide gig speeds to everyone.

[Shaggin'Wagon]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από ragefifty50:

does it say anywhere that steam are obligated
to provide you with max download speed...

Nope it does not. Also if you are seeing the full internet speed in the speed test website that your ISP is selling you but do not see the same speed while downloading or installing games then you can not (and should not) approach your ISP to request help with that either. That's not the concern of your ISP. Their only job is to deliver the rated internet speed to your house or place of business. If the speedtest website shows you are getting the correct speed then the ISP is doing everything that they said they would do and nothing is wrong with them. If you don't see the full speed when downloading or installing something then the issue is a concern with you or your computer, software on your computer, or your computer's hardware.

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LOL... i only use steam so i wouldnt know this either way....

your really good with the big blue stuff....


so all teh dango has to do is remove the use of other services and
stick with different speed on the different steam servers... to me thats enough...

[Dango]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Shaggin'Wagon:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Teh Dango:

Not really. Any modern pc is capable of downloading and decompressing without download speeds degrading. I have never had an issue maintain gig speeds even while running several background operations since I can remember. Even spinner drives are capable of this.

Its like this, if I can download and install large files from other game services and maintain max line speed but only one game service isnt capable of it then its that service with the issue. If I download RDR2 directly from rockstar I maintain max line speed the entire time. If I download GTA5 from steam I avg about 400 to 600 maaaybe 800 mbps and its usually 400. If I change steam servers those numbers are wildly different. That last part proves without a doubt that steam servers are at fault.

It was already explained to you multiple times. It seems you have difficulty with reading comprehension and do not understand basic English words. I guess that I should copy and repeat what Kitty said since you didn't read it the first few times. I will also try my best to use simple words so that your mind can (hopefully) understand this time. I'll even make it in big text so it's easier to read:

STEAM DOES NOT BEHAVE THE SAME AS OTHER DOWNLOAD SERVICES.

If you are some how still having difficulty with these words then please let me know. I would be happy to try to write it in another way that would be easier for you to read and understand.

You can rant all you want but its not true. You really think steam created some ground-up, brand new compression method? I dont. Do you have any proof that this ground breaking compression tech even exists? Nope. And i love the iTs aLrEaDy BeEn ExPlaInEd nonsense. Simply saying "its been explained" doesnt mean anything actually was. Why dont you explain it or at least quote the "explanation"?

edit: and to be sure you understand, kitty was saying steam has a proprietary compression method that my nvme cant handle.

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ok... what about this...

can you get a speed test specific to different areas around the world...

[Dango]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από ragefifty50:

ok... what about this...

can you get a speed test specific to different areas around the world...

Not sure what you mean. Are you asking to test servers around the world or find ppl around the world to do testing?

[Shaggin'Wagon]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Teh Dango:

You can rant all you want but its not true.

Just because you refuse to believe something does not make it untrue. What I wrote actually is true.

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Teh Dango:

You really think steam created some ground-up, brand new compression method? I dont. Do you have any proof that this ground breaking compression tech even exists? Nope.

I will agree with you there: Nope. I do not think that because I did not write that. YOU wrote that. Not me. Not kitty. Not anyone else in this thread. ONLY YOU.

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Teh Dango:

And i love the iTs aLrEaDy BeEn ExPlaInEd nonsense. Simply saying "its been explained" doesnt mean anything actually was. Why dont you explain it or at least quote the "explanation"?

Sure. I would love to explain it to you (again): You see every company is staffed by different programmers and uses different closed-source software. GOG, Rockstar, Epic Games, Ubisoft, EA's downloader, Battle.net, Steam, they are all DIFFERENT. They all download and install in different ways and behave differently because they are created by different companies with different development staff. No one service's performance can be compared to any other service's performance. It doesn't matter if you get full 1000 Mbps with any other service. That does not mean that you should expect to get the same performance from Steam.

Do you some how understand now? This is just like we also can't compare the performance of different games on our computer either. We could get 500 FPS in Game A, but also 20 FPS in Game B on the same computer and same hardware. Everything is different with computers.

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Teh Dango:

edit: and to be sure you understand, kitty was saying steam has a proprietary compression method that my nvme cant handle.

That very well might be true (not that I am not saying it IS true, I specifically said that it MIGHT be true): Steam is closed source software. No one has any idea how it works, how it decompresses files, or how it behaves or why it behaves how it does. We're all guessing.

However I would suggest you try something as an experiment: Pick the largest game that you own in your steam game library (steam can let you sort the library by size) and then try to install it. BUT limit your steam download speed to first 400 Mbps, and test that. If your computer is capable of installing from Steam at 400 Mbps with no stops, stalls, or reduction in speed then try it again at 600 Mbps, then again at 800 Mbps, then again at 1000 Mbps. Watch the behavior closely. If as you increase speed then Steam's downloads start to slow down or lose speed or stop completely at say 600 Mbps, but worked fine with no slow downs, stops, or reduction in speed at 500 Mbps (maintains full download speed the entire time) then that would be your hardware having issues.

But if you are able to sustain full 600 Mbps download speeds on Steam (without a limiter set in steam's settings) and it runs full-speed at 600 Mbps with no stops, stalls, or slow downs then your hardware is fine and not the issue. The same can be true for 800 Mbps or 900 or 1000.

I am curious also: I wonder if you had typed in a speed limit in steam's settings in the past and forgot you had it set and that was your problem all this time.

[Dango]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3117196527

Why can this guy get 820 mbps? If steam behaves "differently" then nobody should be able to achieve gig speeds right? What kind of crazy double secret pc parts he must have huh?

[Dango]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Shaggin'Wagon:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Teh Dango:

You can rant all you want but its not true.

Just because you refuse to believe something does not make it untrue. What I wrote actually is true.

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Teh Dango:

You really think steam created some ground-up, brand new compression method? I dont. Do you have any proof that this ground breaking compression tech even exists? Nope.

I will agree with you there: Nope. I do not think that because I did not write that. YOU wrote that. Not me. Not kitty. Not anyone else in this thread. ONLY YOU.

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Teh Dango:

And i love the iTs aLrEaDy BeEn ExPlaInEd nonsense. Simply saying "its been explained" doesnt mean anything actually was. Why dont you explain it or at least quote the "explanation"?

Sure. I would love to explain it to you (again): You see every company is staffed by different programmers and uses different closed-source software. GOG, Rockstar, Epic Games, Ubisoft, EA's downloader, Battle.net, Steam, they are all DIFFERENT. They all download and install in different ways and behave differently because they are created by different companies with different development staff. No one service's performance can be compared to any other service's performance. It doesn't matter if you get full 1000 Mbps with any other service. That does not mean that you should expect to get the same performance from Steam.

Do you some how understand now? This is just like we also can't compare the performance of different games on our computer either. We could get 500 FPS in Game A, but also 20 FPS in Game B on the same computer and same hardware. Everything is different with computers.

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Teh Dango:

edit: and to be sure you understand, kitty was saying steam has a proprietary compression method that my nvme cant handle.

That very well might be true (not that I am not saying it IS true, I specifically said that it MIGHT be true): Steam is closed source software. No one has any idea how it works, how it decompresses files, or how it behaves or why it behaves how it does. We're all guessing.

However I would suggest you try something as an experiment: Pick the largest game that you own in your steam game library (steam can let you sort the library by size) and then try to install it. BUT limit your steam download speed to first 400 Mbps, and test that. If your computer is capable of installing from Steam at 400 Mbps with no stops, stalls, or reduction in speed then try it again at 600 Mbps, then again at 800 Mbps, then again at 1000 Mbps. Watch the behavior closely. If as you increase speed then Steam's downloads start to slow down or lose speed or stop completely at say 600 Mbps, but worked fine with no slow downs, stops, or reduction in speed at 500 Mbps (maintains full download speed the entire time) then that would be your hardware having issues.

But if you are able to sustain full 600 Mbps download speeds on Steam (without a limiter set in steam's settings) and it runs full-speed at 600 Mbps with no stops, stalls, or slow downs then your hardware is fine and not the issue. The same can be true for 800 Mbps or 900 or 1000.

I am curious also: I wonder if you had typed in a speed limit in steam's settings in the past and forgot you had it set and that was your problem all this time.

Its funny how half way through you wall of text you realized kitty actually did say that. hahaha. And no, there is no speed limit and nobody is arguing the fact that each company has their own code. Thats pretty fking obvious.