tickdom2813 Dec 28, 2023 @ 5:06am
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Windows 7 I will be keeping. Goodbye Steam.
Absolutely ridiculou. So, do I get a refund or will I be able to still play the games I have bought. And for corporate, you just financially killed yourselves. Your reasons for the switch to even less secure Windows versions is suspect.
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סוויפטי Dec 30, 2023 @ 12:40pm 
LOL! bye felicia
Originally posted by AntiGrieferGames:
Originally posted by Mischievous Sly Succubus:
Fun fact: By October of 2025 Microsoft will also be dropping support for Windows 10, now is the time to use the free update from 10 to 11 if you have it (as much as I hate W11's design, I will totally take a free freaking upgrade!)
Pretty sure some users using Windows 10 after 2025.
Oh I have no doubts, like the fact Windows 11 require that...what is it called, the Second Trusted thing in the motherboard whatever it is, to even install is a rather large issue that frankly means people who want to upgrade cant as they don't have a piece of hardware that needs to be soddered into the motherboard
z. Dec 30, 2023 @ 12:43pm 
666
AntiGrieferGames Dec 30, 2023 @ 12:46pm 
Originally posted by Mischievous Sly Succubus:
Originally posted by AntiGrieferGames:
Pretty sure some users using Windows 10 after 2025.
Oh I have no doubts, like the fact Windows 11 require that...what is it called, the Second Trusted thing in the motherboard whatever it is, to even install is a rather large issue that frankly means people who want to upgrade cant as they don't have a piece of hardware that needs to be soddered into the motherboard

TPM2 are required, Also no more CSM bios and a 8th gen cpu (few skylakes are supported that lmao)
AntiGrieferGames Dec 30, 2023 @ 12:46pm 
Originally posted by z.:
666
r/FoundSatan
Tito Shivan Dec 30, 2023 @ 12:49pm 
Originally posted by AntiGrieferGames:
Just use the Search Engine instead saying "Source"
Burden of proof is on the one making the claim.
Electric Cupcake Dec 30, 2023 @ 1:12pm 
While Windows 10 and 11 are awful and people are right to complain if they feel like they're being forced to change, Linux has been more than viable for years now. It's not a huge deal to switch.

If anything, the nosy ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ at Microsoft should be the ones facing down a zillion lawsuits for all the should-be-illegal shenanigans they've pulled with Windows 10 and 11.
Crashed Dec 30, 2023 @ 1:15pm 
Originally posted by AntiGrieferGames:
Originally posted by Mischievous Sly Succubus:
Fun fact: By October of 2025 Microsoft will also be dropping support for Windows 10, now is the time to use the free update from 10 to 11 if you have it (as much as I hate W11's design, I will totally take a free freaking upgrade!)
Pretty sure some users using Windows 10 after 2025.
And pretty sure Chromium support will persist until at least 2028 or later.
Crashed Dec 30, 2023 @ 1:17pm 
Originally posted by AntiGrieferGames:
Originally posted by Mischievous Sly Succubus:
Oh I have no doubts, like the fact Windows 11 require that...what is it called, the Second Trusted thing in the motherboard whatever it is, to even install is a rather large issue that frankly means people who want to upgrade cant as they don't have a piece of hardware that needs to be soddered into the motherboard

TPM2 are required, Also no more CSM bios and a 8th gen cpu (few skylakes are supported that lmao)
Up to 23H2, try this command on the install media:
setup.exe /product server
It will bypass the requirements since Windows Server 2025 (currently in preview) doesn't enforce the same requirements.
SeedsandPlants Dec 30, 2023 @ 2:05pm 
Originally posted by xBCxRangers:
Originally posted by Crashed:
When your precious Windows 7 PC dies what will you do?

If it's what everyone saying about Firefox, EA, and many others that have lost support, including Win 7 stopping support when it did, likely nothing.

Being everything still works for me. And so if losing support on Steam is anything like that, i'll likely go years.

Linux is a great upgrade option as steam's built-in proton allows better backward compatibility with games compared to Windows 10. An updated, secure system, plus able to play new, and old games.

Win-win.

Now is an excellent time to go download Virtualbox, and Pop_OS! and start learning Linux. You can ho everything in a virtual machine that you can on a regular system, except use the GPU, and so much more.

With a virtualbox VM you can have virtual nic devices, which, combined with the bridged networking mode un virtualbox, allows your PC to have two separate IP addresses. This allows you to run a firevall system, or dns filtration system, where both the host and guest go through the guest virtual machine network layer, then back oun through the host, looking for the route to the regular network's wireless or wired router or access point.

So, if you want a secure system, where developers are trying to maintain game compatibility, and is in constant improvement, it's a great time to start learning Linux. It will continue to get easier to use, and once it gets more userbase, more developers will join the excitement and help improve the user interface and hardware support. But that can only happen if Linux is more than 1% of the computer market. Maybe if we could match Mac use, which is UNIX based, we could have better vendor support from hardware brands, instead of being ignored because Linux is toe small of a market.

The steamdeck uses Linux and is the focus of game compatibility now, so if Valve sells a game, they will want it to work on the steamdeck, and they are helping improve the KDE desktop as well as various Wine / proton improvements.

Linux is Valve's future, so I recommend jumping on this train, and it will save some annoyance winh dualboots and proprietary operating systems. Microsofn isn't going to focus on legacy graphcs libraries, but Wine, and proton are, so if you want the best of both worlds, download Pop_OS! and give steam's proton compatibility a try.

If a game is having issues, share it on the unofficial protondb website. Is there an official proton bug report system?
SeedsandPlants Dec 30, 2023 @ 2:13pm 
Originally posted by Mischievous Sly Succubus:
Originally posted by AntiGrieferGames:
Pretty sure some users using Windows 10 after 2025.
Oh I have no doubts, like the fact Windows 11 require that...what is it called, the Second Trusted thing in the motherboard whatever it is, to even install is a rather large issue that frankly means people who want to upgrade cant as they don't have a piece of hardware that needs to be soddered into the motherboard

Linux is the solution to this, not needing hardware in order to secure the software, just a better designed system overall. Steamdeck uses Linux and is Valve's focus for game compatibility, so now would be a great time to install Virtualbox, put it into fullscreen mode, and start learning!
SHREDDER Dec 30, 2023 @ 2:21pm 
Ι upgraded from 7 to 10 in 2015 at release date and evryone that i know has done it. But not to 11 due to the higher cpu requirmenets.i never had this problem with previous windows. What shoidl ido? Wait until 10 supports ends and then change cpu ram and motherboarwd to upgrade to 12? or change then earlier and upgrade to 11 or 12 even before they stup supproting 10?
SqueakyTweaky Dec 30, 2023 @ 2:30pm 
Originally posted by SHREDDER:
Ι upgraded from 7 to 10 in 2015 at release date and evryone that i know has done it. But not to 11 due to the higher cpu requirmenets.i never had this problem with previous windows. What shoidl ido? Wait until 10 supports ends and then change cpu ram and motherboarwd to upgrade to 12? or change then earlier and upgrade to 11 or 12 even before they stup supproting 10?
Start putting money aside each month, no need to upgrade a dinosaur you have probably a few years left. 20 € or $ a month won't kill a working person, it will eventually add all up and you get your new pc.
SeedsandPlants Dec 30, 2023 @ 2:36pm 
Originally posted by AntiGrieferGames:
Originally posted by Mischievous Sly Succubus:
Oh I have no doubts, like the fact Windows 11 require [tpm] /quote]

TPM2 are required, Also no more CSM bios and a 8th gen cpu (few skylakes are supported that lmao)

There are ways aroutd this, but I cannot respect nor support the "unsupported hardware" message, which I agree, should be if not illegal, overwhelmingly discouraged and rejected by all humans, including those working at Microsoft. Not that I'd ever be hired there, and I'd never want to work there, no matter how much I were paid, but if I did, I'd start a petition to ban that unsupported hardware message, and the TPM bullocks too.

Linux only drops hardware when there are not many users of the hardware--and if there are, they can ask for assisstance on continuing its support, unlike Windows. So, Linux is the solution to fight the increasing electronic waste issue, and keep using the hardware we already have which works fine. It is horrifying, seeing that just last year there were 262 million new desktops, and 62 million new laptops purchased.

If Linux was more widely recognized, respected, and understood by users, I bet those numbers would be more than ten times lower, but that's Windows users for you. Our world-wide society does non yet offer standard computer education, and individual users have to seek out Linux and alternate systems on their own, and choose to learn them, alongside being forced to use Windows in a job setting.

If we want a brighter, cleaner, less wasteful future, Linux can provide that world--but we will not ever get there with 1% of the computer market, and 10% probably won't make a dent either. It is visibly clear by Microsoft's actions with Windows 11 and the multi-revision BIOS debacle with their own Surface computer line, than they don't give a rat's @$$ about their customers or the environment.

It's a slap in the face that they now have "energy efficient updates". No Microsoft, that's not the solution. The solution would be to cut back on new computer sales, until the human race has a 100% accessible and near 90-95% effective computer and electronic recycling system. With Microsoft's monetary clout, you'd think they could actually promote and help support and donate to existing electronic recycling efforts, but if they do, they sure don't discuss it.

If a vast majority of electronics were recycled for the cobalt, gold and whatelse, then I'd say sure, buy a new pc component every three months if you want, but we are not even 10% of the way there, so it is not feasible or environmentally safe.

Buying new computer hardware at this time will increase slave labor in the democratic republic of Congo, in Africa to mine the cobalt, and all the forced labor in Asia. So it's a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ industry to support right now, until things improve, human rights violations are no longer an issue, and when working people don't have babies on their back as they collect minerals. Yes, it's atrocious.

But Microsoft doesn't care, they just want more profit from new hardware sales.
Last edited by SeedsandPlants; Dec 31, 2023 @ 10:21am
SeedsandPlants Dec 30, 2023 @ 2:47pm 
Originally posted by SHREDDER:
Ι upgraded from 7 to 10 in 2015 at release date and evryone that i know has done it. But not to 11 due to the higher cpu requirmenets.i never had this problem with previous windows. What shoidl ido? Wait until 10 supports ends and then change cpu ram and motherboarwd to upgrade to 12? or change then earlier and upgrade to 11 or 12 even before they stup supproting 10?

The steamdeck uses Linux, and is able to play Windows games. How? A program called Wine is Not an Emulator, (Wine) and valve's addition to that, (proton) allows Windows directX and other software to be loaded in Linux and the games to function, atd exceptionally well. Many times it is actually faster this way than it is on Windows.

Go ahead and install Virtualbox, and download Pop_OS! It gets quicker updates for game and graphical software improvewents compared to Ubuntu. This way you can stay on Windows while you learn how to install software in Linux. You won't be able to passthrough the GPU to play games, but you can still practice how to install steam, games inside steam (don't fully download them, as you won't be able to play inside virtual machine) and how to update the Linux system.

Once you understand how it works, you'll be prepared to switch to Linux when Windows 10 support is up. Valve will continue to be focusing on Linux and game support will improve.

It is already better for Y2K era and prior games, like 1nsane and delta force 2. Neither of which I was able to run on Windows 10 but work great on Linux with steam's proton. Now if I could only get Dirt 2 (not rally) to load, I'd be set. I got it installed, but when I press play, it doesn't open.
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