M__ 24. des. 2023 kl. 15.35
Why Gabe? - "Steam will stop running on Windows 7/Windows 8.1 on December 31"
Why is Steam restricting freedom by dictating the platform to which someone chooses to play their games on?

It's freedom of choice.

Also, old (very popular) games that support old Operating Systems are sold on here.

This is ridiculous.

Steam should deliver a platform that can be compatible with all versions of Windows, similar to how software used to be made (remember when you would select from a list which Operating System you had before downloading software 15 years ago?), and compensate within the Steam delivery package for what Windows is missing and required for Steam based on your version of Windows...you know...by actually having programmers do what programmers are hired to do at Steam instead of being a platform I personally think is being close-minded.

Customers are always right. Build a product based on consumer needs.
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VaLiuM 24. des. 2023 kl. 21.00 
Opprinnelig skrevet av M__:
Why is Steam restricting freedom by dictating the platform to which someone chooses to play their games on?

It's freedom of choice.
Because it is their platform and they can choose to not support old OS' any further officially. Freedom of choice is not only a thing that works in your interest or favor, you know. It goes both ways.

Opprinnelig skrevet av M__:
Customers are always right. Build a product based on consumer needs.

Look at the recent hardware surveys, the "consumer needs" for Windows 7 users are REALLY and EXTREMELY low.

Just stay on Windows 7 but when things break, don't expect VALVe/Steam to fix anything on their end.
Opprinnelig skrevet av M__:
Steam should deliver a platform that can be compatible with all versions of Windows, similar to how software used to be made (remember when you would select from a list which Operating System you had before downloading software 15 years ago?),
*tries to connect to steam with 16bit windows*
potato 25. des. 2023 kl. 5.21 
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Oh look, another dude saying the exact same nonsense again...

meh, not taking the bait...

Freedom of speech
there's no freedom of speech on privately owned forums

freedom of speech only applies to government institutions and prosecution
wesnef 25. des. 2023 kl. 6.16 
Opprinnelig skrevet av M__:
Why is Steam restricting freedom by dictating the platform to which someone chooses to play their games on?

It's freedom of choice.

They're not.
And yes - you have the freedom to pick what operating system & hardware you use. As part of that freedom, you accept the consequences of your choices.

This is ridiculous.

Yes, your post is. Just like the dozens before it over the past few months.


Customers are always right.

As someone else noted, the customer is rarely right. That phrase is an overused meme that's lost it's original meaning.


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edit: as for the "why is this happening"?

- Microsoft stopped supporting Windows 7 several years ago.
- as a consequence of this, various companies will (over time) stop keeping Win7 support in *their* software
- Steam uses the CEF middleware (Chromium Embedded Framework) to make their client work
- the people who make CEF are ending Win7 support. Therefore, every company that uses CEF, will lose Win7 support
Sist redigert av wesnef; 25. des. 2023 kl. 6.20
Knightspace 25. des. 2023 kl. 6.20 
Rich of you to assume Valve gives a ♥♥♥♥ about the customers
Firewalk 25. des. 2023 kl. 7.54 
Opprinnelig skrevet av M__:
Steam should deliver a platform that can be compatible with all versions of Windows

You know, I always thought it was weird that Steam didn't support windows 3.1.
Psychlapse 25. des. 2023 kl. 8.09 
Valve will absolutely have run the numbers, and their calculator says its cheaper to drop unsupported OS's then it is to come up with workaround after workaround.

They're a business, not a Windows 7 support charity.
kitty 25. des. 2023 kl. 10.09 
Opprinnelig skrevet av Psychlapse:
They're a business, not a Windows 7 support charity.

have you seen "year in review" tab? it has median games played this year. the average number is 4. It looks like 90% of steam users are F2P gamers or they're not interested in games.
I'm pretty sure old timers with win 7 buy more than 4 games per year. Instead of playng F2P games-services win 7 users actually pay for their single player games and probably pay more than average. so it is not "charity". considering millions of win 7 users worldwide their 30% from game price could easily cover development and maintenance of win 7 compatible steam client. it's only few developers.
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Opprinnelig skrevet av M__:
Why is Steam restricting freedom by dictating the platform to which someone chooses to play their games on?

It's freedom of choice.

Also, old (very popular) games that support old Operating Systems are sold on here.

This is ridiculous.

Steam should deliver a platform that can be compatible with all versions of Windows, similar to how software used to be made (remember when you would select from a list which Operating System you had before downloading software 15 years ago?), and compensate within the Steam delivery package for what Windows is missing and required for Steam based on your version of Windows...you know...by actually having programmers do what programmers are hired to do at Steam instead of being a platform I personally think is being close-minded.

Customers are always right. Build a product based on consumer needs.
How about stop making new threads when there are already too many of them?
Zefar 25. des. 2023 kl. 10.37 
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Opprinnelig skrevet av Psychlapse:
They're a business, not a Windows 7 support charity.

have you seen "year in review" tab? it has median games played this year. the average number is 4. It looks like 90% of steam users are F2P gamers or they're not interested in games.
I'm pretty sure old timers with win 7 buy more than 4 games per year. Instead of playng F2P games-services win 7 users actually pay for their single player games and probably pay more than average. so it is not "charity". considering millions of win 7 users worldwide their 30% from game price could easily cover development and maintenance of win 7 compatible steam client. it's only few developers.

Win7 users love to complain about Win10 and Win11 will be too much on their system. This means that they must have some ancient hardware at this point.

Someone who has that type of hardware isn't spending money on Steam because they are already struggling. They wouldn't even be able to play any modern game.

You mentioning that 30% of the computers world wide run Win7. That is not a worthwhile statistic.
It's Office PCs that are in this number. People are not using them to play PC games.

Steam has their own numbers on how many users of that use Steam uses Win7.

Win10 makes up for the majority of the users and Win11 is gaining in on that. Majority of the people who install Win11 will not be using the TPM bypass so they are on a 12Gen CPU or higher.

These people will be the ones spending money on Steam.
miakisfan 25. des. 2023 kl. 10.39 
I found out that The Game of Gnomes was a free download so I added it to my library but before I did so I checked the requirements.

All you Windows 7 people might want to check them out as well. January 24 of next year it will only be working on Windows 10 and higher.

I'm passed feeling bad for people who aren't getting the picture here on Windows 7/8.1. Time to grow up on this folks or you will either leave yourself behind or get left behind.

You can blame Gabe or anyone else you want all day. It is on you to get your acts together ... not everyone else to keep reminding you of this.

The World doesn't revolve around Windows 7 or you. You can keep pretending otherwise until it is too late then you have no one else to blame but yourself (although we all know most of you will keep blaming everyone else but yourselves).

The lack of common sense on this is extremely disturbing.
kitty 25. des. 2023 kl. 10.45 
Opprinnelig skrevet av Zefar:
Win7 users love to complain about Win10 and Win11 will be too much on their system. This means that they must have some ancient hardware at this point.

no. If someone doesn't want to install win 10 it's not because of hardware or poverty. you're seems to be under impression that people don't install win 10 because they cannot afford it but in reality only fraction of win 7 users are struggling financially. majority just doesn't want to use win 10. win 10 has very similar resource usage to win 7 so by your logic everyone who still uses win 10 can't afford games. right?

Opprinnelig skrevet av Zefar:
You mentioning that 30% of the computers world wide run Win7.

30% Valve's cut on game sale. 30 cents from every dollar goes to Valve so it's not "charity".
Zefar 25. des. 2023 kl. 10.51 
Opprinnelig skrevet av kitty:
no. If someone doesn't want to install win 10 it's not because of hardware or poverty. you're seems to be under impression that people don't install win 10 because they cannot afford it but in reality only fraction of win 7 users are struggling financially. majority just doesn't want to use win 10. win 10 has very similar resource usage to win 7 so by your logic everyone who still uses win 10 can't afford games. right?

No, A LOT of them specifically makes the claim that their PC can't handle windows 10 because it "too demanding".
Upgrading to Win10 was also free for about 7 years. Price should not have been an issue.
It only cost now because Microsoft stopped giving it away for free to previous Win7/Win8.1 owners.

There have been a lot of Win7 users being like "Well if you Valve are forcing Win7 to stop working, are you going to pay for our upgrade?".

Opprinnelig skrevet av kitty:
30% Valve's cut on game sale. 30 cents from every dollar goes to Valve so it's not "charity".

Again, OFFICE PCS. They are not used for gaming. At all in any kind of way.
They are not part of the statistics now and they are not going to part of it later.
kitty 25. des. 2023 kl. 10.57 
Opprinnelig skrevet av Zefar:
Again, OFFICE PCS. They are not used for gaming. At all in any kind of way.
They are not part of the statistics now and they are not going to part of it later.

what are you talking about? what office PCs? I purchased win 7 pro key few years ago and that will be 2d win 7 key I purchased for my home PCs. people do use win 7 at home and it's shown in steam hardware survey. I doubt it's office PCs doing that statistic on lunch breaks.
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Fiona the Gamer 25. des. 2023 kl. 11.00 
Opprinnelig skrevet av M__:
Why is Steam restricting freedom by dictating the platform to which someone chooses to play their games on?

It's freedom of choice.

Also, old (very popular) games that support old Operating Systems are sold on here.

This is ridiculous.

They are not restricting the freedom of choice to play video games on PC, windows 7 is already a dinosaur.Just upgrade and don't be salty about it.

That's what the legacy program for, it allows you to choose your version of windows up to windows xp to run your computer. Doesn't support it, up grade the motherboard and your computer should run smoothly.





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Opprinnelig skrevet av Psychlapse:
They're a business, not a Windows 7 support charity.

Fair enough.
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